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Sunday, September 22, 2019

Padres fire manager Andy Green; communication issues cited

There will be a new manager when the Padres are wearing their new brown uniforms next season.

Andy Green was fired Saturday morning, two years before his contract was due to expire and after four seasons with a 274-366 record.

Bench coach Rod Barajas was named interim manager and served in that role Saturday against the Arizona Diamondbacks.

“When you look at the way the last two months … and what improvements are being made and how things were playing out on a daily basis, it just didn’t feel like we were going to get there with Andy as our manager,” said General Manager A.J. Preller, who several times called Green a friend. “That’s a tough thing to say. Ultimately, we hire a manager and it’s my job to put players on the field. I’ve been beating myself up a lot over the course of the last few months. It just didn’t feel like this was going to work for the long-term.”

Maybe it’s me, but brown uniforms aren’t exactly promising as a way to indicate that you’ve turned the corner…..

 

QLE Posted: September 22, 2019 at 12:15 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: andy green, firings, padres

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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 22, 2019 at 12:52 AM (#5881799)
Joe Maddon seems an increasingly likely hire. That might send a message about turning a corner.
   2. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: September 22, 2019 at 07:27 AM (#5881816)
I hear San Diego is a heavenly place to live, weather-wise. Apart from that, it's hard to see why in the world Joe Maddon would want to go work for such a messed up organization with such a lousy major league roster.

Sure, there's a lot of talent in the pipeline. But the major league team stinks, it's stunk for a decade, and it would be unusual for a man of Joe Maddon's age and stature to take on the project of trying to turn minor league talent into a major league winner.

The optimistic take: it's about the same place the Mariners were when Lou Piniella came in 25 years ago. They were 64-98 under Bill Plummer in 1992, but then, they'd been 64-98 basically every year of their existence to that point. Piniella arrived and drove them to 82-80 in 1993, then after a hiccup in 1994 the magical 1995 run happened, and they remained a generally winning team until Piniella left in the early 2000s. So that's the model a Padres team bringing on Maddon would be looking to follow (though hopefully with a bit more postseason success).

But then--Piniella was 49 when he came to Seattle. Maddon turns 66 in February.
   3. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: September 22, 2019 at 09:41 AM (#5881821)
I think the Padres being nearly 100 games under during his tenure is more important than "communication issues."
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 22, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5881823)
I don't think I could name 10 MLB managers at this point.
   5. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: September 22, 2019 at 11:31 AM (#5881845)
It seems like they communicated his termination just fine.
   6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 22, 2019 at 01:34 PM (#5881865)
Apart from that, it's hard to see why in the world Joe Maddon would want to go work for such a messed up organization with such a lousy major league roster.

Sure, there's a lot of talent in the pipeline. But the major league team stinks, it's stunk for a decade, and it would be unusual for a man of Joe Maddon's age and stature to take on the project of trying to turn minor league talent into a major league winner.
Isn't Maddon known for working with young players? Why wouldn’t he want to work for a team with a lot of talent on the way, where it wouldn’t be very hard to exceed the recent performance? At his age, the paycheck may be his main concern, but San Diego has been spending money lately. Sure, maybe another team could give Maddon a better deal, but it’s unclear where that would be at the moment.
   7. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: September 22, 2019 at 08:35 PM (#5882000)
Bench coach Rod Barajas was named interim manager


Then they all cried again, saying, “Not this Man, but Barajas!” Now Barajas was a catcher.

Then the Padres took Green and had him fired.
   8. winnipegwhip Posted: September 22, 2019 at 09:29 PM (#5882015)
Preller wanted to bring in Angels first base coach Jesus Feliciano to manage. But when he asked the crowd they could have Jesus, the crowd chanted they wanted Barajas.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 22, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5882017)
Did he communicate to Preller that they needed to spend $144M on Eric Hosmer?
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 22, 2019 at 09:38 PM (#5882018)
Isn't Maddon known for working with young players? Why wouldn’t he want to work for a team with a lot of talent on the way, where it wouldn’t be very hard to exceed the recent performance? At his age, the paycheck may be his main concern, but San Diego has been spending money lately. Sure, maybe another team could give Maddon a better deal, but it’s unclear where that would be at the moment.


Also, are there any "good" spots that will open up soon? The Padres do have a ton of young talent, and while their current roster has problems, there is a lot more upside there than I think any other spot that could open up within the next year or two.
   11. Mr Dashwood Posted: September 22, 2019 at 09:56 PM (#5882021)
Don Mattingly 272-364, expiring contract extended.

Andy Green 274-366, fired with two years left.

That is all.
   12. Bote Man sez Deivi is MoY Posted: September 23, 2019 at 03:37 AM (#5882079)
I hear San Diego is a heavenly place to live, weather-wise.

This is the Chamber of Commerce myth propagated by tourists who enjoy dinner and drinks in the Gaslight District, then return home raving about how great it was--during working hours.

The suckers who bought into the lie who actually have to get up at 5AM when it's dark, damp, cool, and windy to go to work (while it's all sunny and warm outside the window during the day) and get out of work in the same conditions as when they awoke might paint a different picture.

I'm guessing their next manager will consider money first, and other factors lower in the hierarchy.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5882115)
Don Mattingly 272-364, expiring contract extended.

Andy Green 274-366, fired with two years left.

That is all.


You really can't ignore the fact that the Marlins aren't actually trying to win.
   14. jmurph Posted: September 23, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5882140)
This is the Chamber of Commerce myth propagated by tourists who enjoy dinner and drinks in the Gaslight District, then return home raving about how great it was--during working hours.

The suckers who bought into the lie who actually have to get up at 5AM when it's dark, damp, cool, and windy to go to work (while it's all sunny and warm outside the window during the day) and get out of work in the same conditions as when they awoke might paint a different picture.

I think you're really not going to win this argument at a site populated by a lot of people from the northeast and upper midwest.
   15. bfan Posted: September 23, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5882147)
Generally:

1. I think SD has the best weather of any major US city; it is really an amazing climate there.
2. At this point, Joe Madden should have quitting money, so I would say his most important factor in a next job (if the Cubs are silly enough to let him go) would be his legacy. Taking a chronically under-achieving franchise and riding it to winning status as the young talent matures would sure seem to be a fine feather in his career cap.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: September 23, 2019 at 10:51 AM (#5882149)
Taking a chronically under-achieving franchise and riding it to winning status as the young talent matures would sure seem to be a fine feather in his career cap.


Win the big prize with 'em and he's looking at more than feathery caps.

   17. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 23, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5882150)
Maddon has made about $35M in the last decade, and is 65 years old. I hope salary isn't his #1 objective at this point.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5882154)
Maddon has made about $35M in the last decade, and is 65 years old. I hope salary isn't his #1 objective at this point.

Even, and especially if he doesn't need the money, I think he'll be loath to take a significant pay cut.
   19. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: September 23, 2019 at 07:41 PM (#5882376)
I think you're really not going to win this argument at a site populated by a lot of people from the northeast and upper midwest.

it's dark, damp, cool, and windy


Also known as "most of the country for most of the year".
   20. Tin Angel Posted: September 23, 2019 at 08:30 PM (#5882385)
Can Andy Green eat 50 hard boiled eggs in under an hour though?
   21. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: September 24, 2019 at 01:23 AM (#5882472)
[12] I'm super confused. Why would a baseball manager have to wake up at 5am to go to work?
   22. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:00 AM (#5882475)
The suckers who bought into the lie who actually have to get up at 5AM when it's dark, damp, cool, and windy to go to work


Well sure all those suckers in La Jolla and Point Loma who are right on the coast. The poor sods out in Ramona or Poway have no such woe being away from the coast.

Personally I'd put up with bit of early morning fog to slum it in La Jolla.......
   23. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:04 AM (#5882476)
So question--does anyone know of a current or potential baseball manager who they believe can get Manny Machado to give a legit effort? I watched him play the Crew last season and there were multiple times he looked pretty lazy even when he was with the Dodgers who were on their way to a World Series. Then he comes to Milwaukee last week with the Padres out of it since forever and he was just flat out in not give a #### mode. He hit a ball to Moose who spent 5-10 minutes trying to get a hold of the ball and still got Machado at first base. Orlando totally showed him up on a DP by doing a big windup double clutch on a DP and then rainbowing to first and still getting Machado by 10 feet.

My dad is not too old timey but on Machado he insists that if the best guy on the team plays lazy that this impacts the whole team over time in a bad way.

Thoughts??

   24. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: September 24, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5882560)
My dad is not too old timey but on Machado he insists that if the best guy on the team plays lazy that this impacts the whole team over time in a bad way.

Thoughts??


He's right.

I don't mean that about Machado specifically (though incidentally I agree with him about Machado specifically, too). But he's right that over time, any group of people will adopt the characteristics of its leader(s), for better or worse. And in pro sports, the de facto leader of any team is its most prominent player, which most of the time means its highest paid player.
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5882647)
So question--does anyone know of a current or potential baseball manager who they believe can get Manny Machado to give a legit effort?
The Padres might hire the guy who clams he can do that. A one-on-one session emphasizing that the greatest players lead by example, with some video of where Machado falls short, might have some effect, but you may have to risk burning some bridges by embarrassing Manny if that fails.
   26. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5882656)
The Padres might hire the guy who clams he can do that. A one-on-one session emphasizing that the greatest players lead by example, with some video of where Machado falls short, might have some effect, but you may have to risk burning some bridges by embarrassing Manny if that fails.


Sounds like they should hire Larry Bowa.

Seriously though, if Machado wasn't going to even pretend to care during his brief time with the Dodgers, while they went to the World Series, and he was about to become a free agent then his manager has got a pretty tough assignment.
   27. Lars6788 Posted: September 24, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5882661)
   28. DFA Posted: September 24, 2019 at 03:28 PM (#5882674)
does anyone know of a current or potential baseball manager who they believe can get Manny Machado to give a legit effort?


Buck Showalter? As an Oriole fan, I can tell you it was a pleasure to watch him. He has a little of Robinson Cano in him, but I'm not sure that should prevent you from enjoying him day in and day out. He is a terrific defender and it seems that his suboptimal offensive year was in part BABIP related. And it's not as if he busted it down the line when he was a vital part of the Orioles run of success from 2012 to 2016...
   29. JAHV Posted: September 24, 2019 at 07:21 PM (#5882727)
The suckers who bought into the lie who actually have to get up at 5AM when it's dark, damp, cool, and windy to go to work (while it's all sunny and warm outside the window during the day) and get out of work in the same conditions as when they awoke might paint a different picture.


I assume you live in San Diego and are saying this to keep more people from moving there, similar to how Oregonians who live in Bend say it's a terrible place to live. Because I live in Anaheim and even I'm jealous of San Diego's weather.

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