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Tuesday, June 05, 2012

Papelbon: Umpire ‘sucked’ and ‘needs to go back to Triple-A’

Papelbon, the Philadelphia Phillies’ closer, was livid with home-plate umpire D.J. Reyburn’s work in the Phillies’ 4-3 loss to the Los Angeles Dodgers on Monday. Papelbon was the losing pitcher, and thought he had struck out the Dodgers’ Dee Gordon on a pitch before Gordon lined a double to key the winning rally.

After the inning, Papelbon confronted Reyburn, a fill-in umpire from Class AAA, and veteran Derryl Cousins stepped in to protect his young charge.

Bullying by Papelbon? Well, he teed off on Reyburn further in the postgame.

  “I thought he sucked. ... He probably needs to go back to Triple-A. You’re up in the big leagues to do a good job and when you don’t do a good job you should be demoted or fired. It’s just like anybody’s job. If I don’t do my job, I go down to Triple A. There’s no room for that up here. It’s not a knock on the umpires. It’s the integrity of the game. You want to be able to go out there and play the game the way it should be played. All night long, from (Dodgers starter Clayton) Kershaw to (Phillies starter) Vance (Worley), all the way to the ninth inning, it affected the outcome of the game.”

Thanks to Brunk.

Repoz Posted: June 05, 2012 at 01:11 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. What Zupcic? Posted: June 05, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4148875)
Papelbon used to be such a fun player (pitching and personality) to root for but he gets worse every year as he buys more and more into himself. The constant harping about wanting to get paid (which in and of itself isn't a bad thing but STOP TALKING ABOUT IT ALL. THE. TIME.), the completely forced Brian Wilson-lite Cinco Ocho thing, and just generally being kind of an ass (see above, among other things). I'm not the kinda Sox fan who hates on a player when he leaves the team (I'll forever root for Beltre, Martinez for example) but ugh, Papelbon's just awful.
   2. gef the talking mongoose Posted: June 05, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4148888)
Given his notorious stupidity, the fact that he was able to spell "Triple-A" is quite impressive.
   3. Joey B. has ignited his October #Natitude Posted: June 05, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4148899)
Papelbon is a giant d-bag, but I watched that game yesterday and thought the umpiring was pretty lousy from the beginning to the end.

You need to do something, Mr. Commissioner. The general suckitude of your umpires is reaching a crisis level and needs to be fixed, ASAP.
   4. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 05, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4148909)
The penultimate pitch Papelbon threw was a third strike. He's right to complain in this instance.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4148916)
Given his notorious stupidity, the fact that he was able to spell "Triple-A" is quite impressive.


That was a post-game interview, not a tweet.
   6. Bob Evans Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4148919)
He's right to complain in this instance.

If every guy who didn't get a third strike whined this much, nobody would pay attention to baseball at all.
   7. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4148939)
If every guy who didn't get a third strike whined this much, nobody would pay attention to baseball at all.


That third strike would have ended the inning. Instead he threw another pitch and it gave up the winning run.
   8. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4148954)
According to Brooks Baseball the pitch was on the corner. A strike yes, but hardly a grotesque error in my opinion.

Bad calls happen. This is what Jon Lester has been doing lately, a bad call goes against him, he stares in, then throws the next pitch down the middle for a grand slam. #### happens, make a pitch.

For what it's worth I like Papelbon. I think he's actually pretty honest about who he is. Yeah, there's some showmanship but I think he's more "real" than Brian Wilson for example.
   9. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4148964)
Pabelbon reminds me of Chucky on many levels.
   10. gef the talking mongoose Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4148993)
Yeah, there's some showmanship but I think he's more "real" than Brian Wilson for example.


The average Ken doll or GI Joe is more "real" than Brian Wilson.
   11. Hotel Coral Esix Snead (tmutchell) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4148994)
According to MLB Gameday, that penultimate pitch to Gordon was on the inside corner. A good pitch, not a terrible call, but not the right one.

His next pitch was a splitter in the lower middle of the strike zone, and of course the whole point of throwing a splitter is that it should look like it's going to be a strike and then, you know, not be a strike. So that's Pap's fault.

As was the anger-induced meatball he threw to Hererra (2 mph faster than anything he'd thrown to that point), right down Main Street at 94 mph. You challenged him. He won. End of story.

Papelbon is lucky he didn't bury his team even more. The second pitch he threw to Ethier was also right down the middle, and he popped it up. He never threw anything over the plate to Juan Rivera, but managed to whiff him anyway. And his last pitch, to Castellanos, was also right down the middle. He was lucky his team wasn't down 7-3 when they came to bat in the bottom of the inning.
   12. Dan Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4148998)
As was the anger-induced meatball he threw to Hererra (2 mph faster than anything he'd thrown to that point), right down Main Street at 94 mph. You challenged him. He won. End of story.


94 was 2 MPH faster than anything he had thrown to multiple hitters? That's really low velocity for Papelbon.
   13. Olaf Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4149001)
So many grumbles, and so many facts misstated...

Pitch was borderline, could have gone either way.

Dee Gordon was the leadoff batter in the inning. There were no outs, not two outs.

After the contested pitch, he tripled to right center. The article erroneously reported that he doubled.

I think Jose's got it right. Whether it's clearly blown, or merely borderline, a call that goes against someone is something that happens. It's never going to be perfect. Pitchers (and batters on the very random and inconsistent checked-swing rule) just have to realize it's part of the game. The trick is to not let stuff like that affect your concentration.

Paps clearly got rattled, and left the first pitch up to Herrera.

Ironically, Brooks' data shows that Gordon's triple was on a ball that was out of the strike zone.

Clearly, however, suffering doesn't "build character" in ol' Paps. If I were the crew chief, I'd have tossed him for forcing me to defend a junior umpire.

EDIT: Coke to the Hotelier for his additional detail.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4149004)
You’re up in the big leagues to do a good job and when you don’t do a good job you should be demoted or fired. It’s just like anybody’s job. If I don’t do my job, I go down to Triple A.

You mean like after you screw up royally and groove one that Dee Gordon -- career ISO of 58! -- whacks for a double? Enjoy AAA.
   15. Hotel Coral Esix Snead (tmutchell) Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4149007)
Yeah, fair enough. Seems that he threw a few other FBs at 94,k some at 92 or 91. Maybe MLB Gameday's algorithm can't tell the difference between a fastball and a splitter. Seems like there's some overlap there maybe.

Even so, he left it right there for him. It was a fast fastball, but not a good fastball.
   16. Dan Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4149013)
That's really not even a fast fastball for Papelbon though: in any of his previous seasons, that'd be below his average fastball velocity. The fact that he's only hitting 94 on a "hump it up there and try and blow him away" fastball would seem concerning to me, if I were a Phillies fan. And while Papelbon's secondary offerings are at times good or even excellent, they're not consistently effective pitches. He's primarily a fastball pitcher, and if he's lost ~2 MPH off his fastball that's going to be an issue soon.
   17. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 05, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4149021)
PitchFx at FanGraphs has his velocity down about 1.5 MPH over past years and also has him throwing about 15% less fastballs than the last couple of years. Is it possible that there is a park effect on this stuff based on the placement of cameras etc...?
   18. boteman Posted: June 05, 2012 at 06:16 PM (#4149169)
Apparently, Cole Hamels has been advising Papelbon on best practices of speaking out after committing pitching foibles.
   19. Srul Itza Posted: June 05, 2012 at 07:07 PM (#4149204)
7. The DA Baracus Hypothesis Posted: June 05, 2012 at 02:18 PM (#4148939)

That third strike would have ended the inning


What, did they lose the other 2 outs on some kind of penalty?

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