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Thursday, August 28, 2014

Passan: How macho baseball culture wants to ruin Yu Darvish’s arm

It’s Texas. Even the "baseball writer" is the Cowboys beat guy.

Earlier in the month, [Yu] Darvish’s right elbow hurt. An MRI showed inflammation, which was about the best-case scenario. The Rangers should celebrate the fact that one of baseball’s five best pitchers isn’t so myopic to think he alone can solve the woes of an injury-destroyed team that owns the game’s worst record at 52-80. Pride has killed too many arms to count.

And yet it’s still one of the prevailing currencies in baseball – in sports, really – and somehow gets conflated with wanting to win. Take Rangers manager Ron Washington, a man whose candidness is one of his greatest qualities but, on occasion, exposes his weaknesses. At one point, he lamented Darvish’s slow recovery time, saying: “So he’s got inflammation. I’ve got inflammation.”

It got a chuckle, Wash being Wash, and he later apologized for it in a radio interview with 103.3 FM in Dallas. During that same interview, of course, Washington said he wanted Darvish to come back so “he doesn’t quit on his teammates; that’s all there is to me.” And then he suggested what Darvish felt in his arm differed from the diagnosis. And the entire thing spiraled down a wormhole of ignorance to a fetid place where dogmatism and machismo foster every last bit of this nonsense…

even as sources say Darvish’s elbow has improved, and were this a different circumstance he probably would pitch, it’s important to understand this is not a different circumstance. He would need to build up arm strength, pitch a simulated game in Arizona and maybe, just maybe, make it back at the end of September for a start or two. The Rangers aren’t going to tempt Darvish’s elbow, not with the rotten team they field on a nightly basis, not with him making it past his 28th birthday sans a scar on his arm, not with his contract running through 2017.

The District Attorney Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:28 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: injuries, rangers, ron washington, yu darvish

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   1. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:52 AM (#4780610)
They have been pretty rotten this year. But remember that they have had a lot of injuries this year.
   2. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4780668)
In the sense that the Pacific Ocean has a lot of water in it, yeah.
   3. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:33 AM (#4780683)
In the sense that the Pacific Ocean has a lot of water in it, yeah.

new the Rangers were having a terrible year, never bothered to look see...
Prince Fielder
Sin-soo Choo
Moreland (not that he's all that grweat of a loss...)
Kouzmanoff(had no idea he was still around)
Matt Harrison (but MIA last year too)
Darvish
Martin Perez
Scheppers
Profar
Holland
Ogando...

You know the Rangers have a pretty good rotation on the DL...
   4. A triple short of the cycle Posted: August 28, 2014 at 09:34 AM (#4780685)
Notwithstanding Bob Geren, I'm beginning to think Billy Beane knew what he was doing when he let Washington go to manage the Rangers. Washington was a great coach but says and does some pretty dumb things as manager.
   5. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4780703)
BJ Upton and Dave Hale for Darvish. Final offer.
   6. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4780727)
Throw in Alan Hale and you've got yourself a deal.
   7. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 28, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4780751)
They may be looking for a new skipper.

   8. Lars6788 Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4780789)
Could it be possible that Washington is just lamenting the fact he's lost his best pitcher. I know you people like to make him seem dumb and emotional but he's lost a lot of guys this year and maybe it's him just venting [instead of criticizing his ace].
   9. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4780796)
Well, he IS dumb and emotional (by what should be the high standards of major league managers), and yet may end up fired not for being dumb and emotional, but because basically everyone on his entire team got badly injured all at once. That's Baseball®.

Actually the Rangers' baseball version of the bubonic plague is so absurd that Washington's job may survive it. It's an extremely obvious thing he can reasonably point to and say "Look, Earl ####### Weaver couldn't have won 70 games with all these injuries and you know it as well as I do."
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4780798)
Could it be possible that Washington is just lamenting the fact he's lost his best pitcher. I know you people like to make him seem dumb and emotional but he's lost a lot of guys this year and maybe it's him just venting [instead of criticizing his ace].

But why lament at this point? Their season has been over for months.

Might as well give some young guys the PT, and lock up the #1 pick.
   11. Win Big Stein's Money Posted: August 28, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4780814)
He called Darvish a quitter and insinuated he was a pussy. Besides being a prick thing to say, he's the manager, he's supposed to have the player's well being in mind. And not, you know, encourage them to do retarded things.

That's not lamenting, that's being a jackass.
   12. The Good Face Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4780829)
He called Darvish a quitter and insinuated he was a #####. Besides being a prick thing to say, he's the manager, he's supposed to have the player's well being in mind. And not, you know, encourage them to do retarded things.

That's not lamenting, that's being a jackass.


Winner! This is the biggest reason Washington should be out of a job at the end of the season.
   13. silhouetted by the sea Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4780833)
In the second article linked, by the Cowboys beat guy, he says that, while a pitchers arm is precious, Darvish should have handled the situation differently. He thinks he should have missed 2 or 3 starts and see how he felt then decide if he needed to go on the DL. You would think that even in Dallas they could find a reporter who understands the concept of a pitching rotation.
   14. Astroenteritis Posted: August 28, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4780856)
wanted Darvish to come back so “he doesn’t quit on his teammates



Gee, I've never thought of being injured as "quitting" on your teammates. I wonder if Washington realizes how awful that sounds?
And if there's any player the Rangers shouldn't be taking chances with, it's Darvish.
   15. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 28, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4780910)
You would think that even in Dallas they could find a reporter who understands the concept of a pitching rotation.


If you go on IR you're out for the year, so you'll want to wait two weeks before making that decision.
   16. DKDC Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4780923)
They should carry him on the practice squad for a couple weeks so he doesn't have to dress on game day. That should buy them some time before committing to IR?.

If it's a serious injury, though, they should just cut him and take the cap hit in a lost year and also avoid having to pay him any roster bonuses he's due in the offseason.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4780935)
Gee, I've never thought of being injured as "quitting" on your teammates. I wonder if Washington realizes how awful that sounds?

Is it even possible to quit on a team that 20 games out?
   18. silhouetted by the sea Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4780937)
If you go on IR you're out for the year, so you'll want to wait two weeks before making that decision.

I think you guys are thinking about football. The reporter was talking about Darvish going on the 15 day disabled list.
   19. The District Attorney Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4780942)
I think you guys are thinking about football. The reporter was talking about Darvish going on the 15 day disabled list.
The speculation, though, is that the reporter, coming from football, doesn't understand that the baseball DL doesn't work like the football IR.
   20. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4780949)
I think you guys are thinking about football. The reporter was talking about Darvish going on the 15 day disabled list.


Thank you for explaining the joke for the SEC fans.
   21. The Good Face Posted: August 28, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4780951)
Is it even possible to quit on a team that 20 games out?


Sure. Quitting is quitting, although I don't think it's a particularly big risk, even on a team as terrible as Texas. Guys who make it to the MLB level tend to be competitive, want to succeed for future contract considerations, and don't want the other guys in the clubhouse to think they're pussies.
   22. ReggieThomasLives Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4780980)
Wash is a good guy who such a terrible tactician he should have been fired years ago. Hopefully this does it and he can go back to being a good coach.
   23. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4780982)
I love #18 so much I can barely stand it.

[EDIT] - and without the brilliance of 18, the world would have been deprived the awesome that is #20. So, kudos all around.
   24. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4781000)
Managing: It's Incredibly Hard

By Ron Washington
   25. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 28, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4781003)
[EDIT] - and without the brilliance of 18, the world would have been deprived the awesome that is #20. So, kudos all around.


It's a Lounge running gag, I can't take credit for it.
   26. BDC Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4781060)
There's been an undercurrent of grumbling in the DFW baseball media about Darvish's attitude this year. Last year, he feuded a bit with AJ Pierzynski, but that didn't reflect badly on Darvish, naturally. It was almost to his credit. This year, it seems like the feud is more generalized and may include club officials. Wash, I'm not sure, because he doesn't tend to be a feuder.

Anyway, Darvish has made 83 starts in the past three years and been consistently very good through the team's ups and downs, so much for his being a quitter. Washington, if stupid, is the stupidest manager ever to win a pennant in Arlington. I don't think questioning the one's guts or the other's brains makes the slightest sense, though it may be a fun way to backbite one's way through the last five weeks of a ghastly season :)
   27. AROM Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4781093)
Is it even possible to quit on a team that 20 games out?


Right now, they are 27 games out, and mathematically eliminated. Sure, Darvish could do a superhuman effort and shred his arm while winning 30 straight complete game shutouts. That would make them 82-80, and the Angels and A's have 79 wins and 78 games, respectively. But those teams and the Mariners have games against each other that somebody has to win, so whoever wins the west is guaranteed to do it with more than 82 wins.
   28. The Good Face Posted: August 28, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4781101)
Anyway, Darvish has made 83 starts in the past three years and been consistently very good through the team's ups and downs, so much for his being a quitter. Washington, if stupid, is the stupidest manager ever to win a pennant in Arlington. I don't think questioning the one's guts or the other's brains makes the slightest sense, though it may be a fun way to backbite one's way through the last five weeks of a ghastly season :)


Regardless of whether Washington is stupid or not, accusing Darvish of quitting on the team and implying that's he's a big sissypants for not wanting to pitch injured is a pretty stupid thing to do. Especially in a lost season like 2014.

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