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Passan: How Phillies’ 2018 clubhouse issues caused by Fortnite led to a smashed TV

When the Philadelphia Phillies lost their ninth consecutive game toward the end of last September, veteran first baseman Carlos Santana felt like he needed to send a message to his teammates who he said spent portions of the game against the Atlanta Braves playing video games in the clubhouse. Santana grabbed a bat, retreated to the room at Citizens Bank Park where the gaming took place and smashed the TV to ensure there would be no more “Fortnite” the final two days of the season.

“I see a couple players—I don’t want to say names—they play video games during the game,” Santana told ESPN. “We come and lose too many games, and I feel like they weren’t worried about it. Weren’t respecting their teammates or coaches or the staff or the [front] office. It’s not my personality. But I’m angry because I want to make it good.”

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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: March 18, 2019 at 10:32 AM (#5823425)
If true, Kapler should have been fired.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5823452)
If true, Kapler should have been fired.

Have to agree. You can't be playing video games at work, and if your boss allows it, he's also to blame.
   3. Sunday silence Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5823456)
Reading pre season talk last year, Kapler came off to me as a weirdo. BUt the media seemed to have good reports and my Philly friend says they love in Philly and think he's a good manager. I asked this before here: is the consensus that he's a good manager?
   4. . Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM (#5823462)
Actually, if true, Santana should be arrested.
   5. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:51 AM (#5823465)
I think we can all agree that the makers of Fortnite should be arrested.
   6. Nasty Nate Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:10 PM (#5823474)
How much chicken and beer was consumed?
   7. stevegamer Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5823493)
Reading pre season talk last year, Kapler came off to me as a weirdo. BUt the media seemed to have good reports and my Philly friend says they love in Philly and think he's a good manager. I asked this before here: is the consensus that he's a good manager?


Your Philly friend has a far different read on things than I see here in Philly. The Phillies did a good job with making Kapler seem like a solid choice to various talk radio people, who hated the Charlie Manuel hire back in the day.

Before last year, I thought he was a weirdo who was going to be in over his head, due to no experience making baseball game decisions. I saw nothing that made me feel any better, and he got a lot of deserved criticism for atrocious managing early on.

I know some people who think Kapler's okay, and will likely improve more, since he did get better as last season went on - of course breaking player safety rules in your first month it easy to improve. Most of the baseball fans I know reasonably well think he's not good or worse. A sample taken from the hundred or so baseball fans I know locally, would have a 0% of coming up good manager.

To me, he's the worst coach of a team in Philly right now - Gordon the Flyers interim seems to be better, and there's no shot he's better than Brown or Peterson.



   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:33 PM (#5823498)
How much chicken and beer was consumed?
It would have been awesome if Santana marched into the clubhouse and started smashing pieces of fried chicken with his bat.
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: March 18, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5823503)
Ironically there was less than a fortnight left in the season when this incident took place.
   10. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 18, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5823560)
I'm more positive (or to be more precise, less negative) than most in the Philly area on Kapler. I think the majority want him fired, Fortnight or not.
He was not good last year although he showed improvement during the season. He needs to show continued improvement. He seems to be a smart guy, if he is introspective and learns from his experience he might be good. I'm not betting on it.
If this video game stuff is as bad as it sounds, then I won't be less negative about him.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: March 18, 2019 at 08:13 PM (#5823607)
Kapler made some blunders early (didn't he have to bring in a reliever who hadn't warmed up ... or thought he could remove a pitcher that hadn't faced a batter yet ... anyway, some egregious mistake). With the second-half collapse, it seemed (from a distance) that he was on very thin ice.
   12. puck Posted: March 18, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5823623)
So do we have a list of classic clubhouse scandals?

-Mets players throwing firecrackers and bleach at each other (or was that at reporters)
-Rockies (supposedly) trying to get Christian players
-Red Sox pitchers on off dayseating fried chicken and drinking beer in the clubhouse during games
-Phillies players playing fortnight in the clubhouse during games

I thought of adding Yankees players in the 50's coming in drunk from late nights, but there's probably too many clubhouses to name who did that.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5823627)
-Shawn Chacon attacking Ed Wade
   14. John Reynard Posted: March 18, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5823628)
Have to agree. You can't be playing video games at work, and if your boss allows it, he's also to blame.


I had a 3rd shift job just making sure kids in a facility slept through their meds at night and didn't mess with each other. I played quite a lot of Madden Football '96 (it was there and easily available) as well as doing all the reading for my MBA program (about 2400 pages a week, nobody else read it all) while working. The pay was kind of shitty. But, I mean I only really worked 2 hours a night basically and had 6 hours in between where I could do as I liked unless a crisis happened (they happened about once a month).

My boss sat in his office all night and looked at internet porn. The assistant manager alternated sleeping (he also worked during the day) with sneaking around making sure nobody else was sleeping. I played video games to keep from falling asleep. Whatever, it was 3rd shift and we didn't actually have to do anything except be there for that one night a month crisis.

I do agree baseball players should be in the dugout during a game where they could still appear.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: March 19, 2019 at 12:02 AM (#5823631)

"Mets players throwing firecrackers and bleach at each other (or was that at reporters)"

Saberhagen tossed bleach at a colleague of mine and another media member as a "prank."

he fully apologized and donated 15 grand to BBWAA charities, to be fair.

   16. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 19, 2019 at 12:37 AM (#5823632)
So do we have a list of classic clubhouse scandals?


An unnamed Cubs player smashing Sammy Sosa's boombox after the last game of the year in 2004, after Sosa played the same salsa CD every day of the season...
   17. Ken Griffey Junior Bacon Cheeseburger Posted: March 19, 2019 at 12:44 AM (#5823633)
-Mets players throwing firecrackers and bleach at each other (or was that at reporters)
-Rockies (supposedly) trying to get Christian players
-Red Sox pitchers on off dayseating fried chicken and drinking beer in the clubhouse during games
-Phillies players playing fortnight in the clubhouse during games


Does Rafael Palmeiro and Dave Martinez (among others?) banging Sandberg's then-wife count?
   18. manchestermets Posted: March 19, 2019 at 05:29 AM (#5823638)
Rickey Henderson and Bobby Bonilla playing cards in the clubhouse during the game.
   19. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 19, 2019 at 07:23 AM (#5823639)
Was it Griffey Jr that was asleep on a trainer's table when he was asked to pinch hit?
   20. PreservedFish Posted: March 19, 2019 at 08:10 AM (#5823641)
An unnamed Cubs player smashing Sammy Sosa's boombox after the last game of the year in 2004, after Sosa played the same salsa CD every day of the season...


Which part of that is the scandal?
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2019 at 09:14 AM (#5823642)
Which part of that is the scandal?

Sosa played the same salsa CD every day of the season...


That part, of course.
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 19, 2019 at 09:27 AM (#5823649)

Keith Hernandez was drinking a beer in the clubhouse during the Mets' Game 6 rally in 1986, although I don't think it was much of a scandal at the time.
   23. PreservedFish Posted: March 19, 2019 at 09:53 AM (#5823657)
My freshman roommate was a one album at a time guy. So I'd hear Weezer 30 times in a week, and then he'd switch to Queen's Greatest Hits, and then something else. Occasionally he'd get into one of my albums, and overplay that one, which was really unacceptable. I think I hid my copy of The Velvet Underground and Nico so he wouldn't ruin it for me.
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: March 19, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5823658)
Just a coincidence that Santana was traded after only one year there?
   25. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 19, 2019 at 10:16 AM (#5823664)
Saberhagen tossed bleach at a colleague of mine and another media member as a "prank."

Didn't Kingman also have a great sense of humor and mail a reporter a rat?
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 19, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5823666)
Maybe. But also they traded him because the team had two good 1B after the experiment of putting one of them at LF didn't work, and the team had 1 not great SS after the experiment of putting Kingery at SS didn't work. So sending him out for Jean Segura makes perfect sense.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5823668)
So sending him out for Jean Segura makes perfect sense.

It was a really good baseball trade for Philly. No need to read anything else into it.

Most of us didn't understand them signing Santana in the first place, with Hoskins on the roster.
   28. RoyalFlush Posted: March 19, 2019 at 10:31 AM (#5823673)
Emil Brown shot a local KC TV Reporter in the eye with a child's pellet gun in the locker room. Accidentally, of course.

   29. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: March 19, 2019 at 10:38 AM (#5823677)
as well as doing all the reading for my MBA program (about 2400 pages a week, nobody else read it all) while working


Somehow, this is the line that stuck out to me from your story. 2,400 pages a week?! When you break it down to 60 pages per hour, it comes to 40 hours, which sounds more reasonable for some reason. Forgive my ignorance as I don't have an MBA, but what were you reading? Textbooks? Technical materials of some kind?
   30. Dolf Lucky Posted: March 19, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5823693)
I think we have to assume that this Fortnite scandal played a significant role in Trout deciding to re-sign with the Angels.
   31. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 19, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5823699)
An unnamed Cubs player smashing Sammy Sosa's boombox after the last game of the year in 2004


I think Albert Belle smashed a thermostat.
   32. JJ1986 Posted: March 19, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5823700)
I wouldn't play video games at work, but I do watch baseball games.
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 19, 2019 at 11:24 AM (#5823704)
Somehow, this is the line that stuck out to me from your story. 2,400 pages a week?! When you break it down to 60 pages per hour, it comes to 40 hours, which sounds more reasonable for some reason. Forgive my ignorance as I don't have an MBA, but what were you reading? Textbooks? Technical materials of some kind?

I don't think I did 2400 pages of reading in a school year during my MBA. MBA's are not generally reading intensive.
   34. Cris E Posted: March 19, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5823715)
I think we have to assume that this Fortnite scandal played a significant role in Trout deciding to re-sign with the Angels.

I'm reading this as Harper being a closeted Fortnite fan.
   35. John Reynard Posted: March 19, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5823740)
Somehow, this is the line that stuck out to me from your story. 2,400 pages a week?! When you break it down to 60 pages per hour, it comes to 40 hours, which sounds more reasonable for some reason. Forgive my ignorance as I don't have an MBA, but what were you reading? Textbooks? Technical materials of some kind?


Textbooks were a small part. Massive quantities of economics and business related academic articles were a large chunk. Articles on business strategy and the like were another large chunk. Actual case studies you had to do something with were another decent-sized chunk. The reason nobody did it other than me was because nobody else had a 3rd shift job. But, given that everyone was in a business program, people made reading sharing circles and split up the task and reported back to each other. I briefly joined one myself but decided I wasn't getting anything out of it since I was actually doing the reading. Maybe that was the actual goal, seeing how business grad students would handle it. I was surprised my MBA program had as much reading as my wife's PhD in Literature and Philosophy. Again, maybe the goal was seeing how the students would handle it. They had us do some other unusual stuff too. But, it was one of the very few fully accredited programs in my area which wasn't an Ivy League so, I went with it.

I'm happy I did all the reading though as it helped years later when I had to get certified for sharia-compliant-investing with UBS (I already basically knew how this worked) and helped me land a few high-wealth clients and survive the early gauntlet of failure most people going into wealth management crash against. Most of the rest was just good for understanding stuff. But, I like that myself. I'm probably weird in that I went for an MBA with genuine academic curiosity rather than simply income-generation as the only goal.

   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 19, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5823783)
it helped years later when I had to get certified for sharia-compliant-investing with UBS
Wait, what???? Talk about burying the lede. Glenn Beck was right all along???
   37. Karl from NY Posted: March 19, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5823797)
Keith Hernandez was drinking a beer in the clubhouse during the Mets' Game 6 rally in 1986, although I don't think it was much of a scandal at the time.

The story goes that the clubhouse had the TV feed. Hernandez and whoever else was in there were watching the whole time. When Carter singled to start the rally, Hernandez froze and wouldn't let anyone leave the clubhouse for fear of jinxing it. It worked.
   38. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 19, 2019 at 05:53 PM (#5823878)
Somehow, this is the line that stuck out to me from your story. 2,400 pages a week?! When you break it down to 60 pages per hour, it comes to 40 hours, which sounds more reasonable for some reason. Forgive my ignorance as I don't have an MBA, but what were you reading? Textbooks? Technical materials of some kind?

I don't think I did 2400 pages of reading in a school year during my MBA. MBA's are not generally reading intensive.


No way did I read that much. I prepped an hour or two for each class, including doing homework etc. Maybe more if big paper or something due.
   39. John Reynard Posted: March 19, 2019 at 08:07 PM (#5823903)
it helped years later when I had to get certified for sharia-compliant-investing with UBS


Wait, what???? Talk about burying the lede. Glenn Beck was right all along???




The sharia-compliant investing I did wasn't with Iran. They only let the Swiss guys do that. (they were fined appreciably for doing it too despite not having US employees involved) I did manage to land down a couple nice sized clients from the Arab side of the Persian Gulf and one Moroccan guy. Nothing all that shocking. But, I was the only one who could figure out how to make complicated instruments like convertible bonds, futures, options, and a variety of other things like option straddles and collars sharia-compliant and these guys wanted stuff like that without thinking they'd go to hell. Fascinating BS you have to do to squeeze the usury out of a investment. But, I learned all the tricks and it was useful. Religion hardly comes up if I talk with them now. Its just about maximizing return while minimizing risk just like any other client. I just have to do an extra step if what they need would be usury without doing the step.

Glenn Beck should stop worrying about conspiracies. If he worried about actual problems like that the oil futures market is basically driven by a few traders in Dubai on most days it might actually help the world instead of spreading stupid most of the time. But, I've reported it to the SEC more than once and they don't give a #### enough to do something I guess (under Bush, Obama, or Trump).

Again, I'm not sad about any of the time I put in during my education. It is probably why I have useful enough skills to do well-enough without having any bosses except the customers and the regulators.
   40. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 20, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5823998)
I had a 3rd shift job just making sure kids in a facility slept through their meds at night and didn't mess with each other. I played quite a lot of Madden Football '96 (it was there and easily available) as well as doing all the reading for my MBA program (about 2400 pages a week, nobody else read it all) while working. The pay was kind of shitty. But, I mean I only really worked 2 hours a night basically and had 6 hours in between where I could do as I liked unless a crisis happened (they happened about once a month).

My boss sat in his office all night and looked at internet porn. The assistant manager alternated sleeping (he also worked during the day) with sneaking around making sure nobody else was sleeping. I played video games to keep from falling asleep. Whatever, it was 3rd shift and we didn't actually have to do anything except be there for that one night a month crisis.
So, in a similar situation Bill James invented sabermetrics. You... played video games.
   41. PreservedFish Posted: March 20, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5824007)
Are you ignoring the part where his overnight study allowed him to become Wealth Manager to the Sheiks? Dude's probably playing Madden on a private jet to Bahrain right now.

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