Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Passan: Pablo Sandoval gives himself two seasons before he’s forced to confront weight issues

I like food, food tastes good!
I like food, food tastes good!
Juicy burgers, greasy fries,
Turkey legs and mom’s arepas

Sandoval recognizes and acknowledges all of these things as truth, and it’s why as he nurses another injury – this an irritated ulnar nerve threatening to keep him out opening day after back-to-back seasons in which he missed at least 45 games – he knows he must adapt.

Just not yet.

“I’ve got this year and next year to change all the things,” Sandoval said. “It’s going to take me a while, but I can do it. I know I can do it.

“You need to learn. You need to grow up. You need to step up and know the difference between what you can do and what you can’t.”

...At some point, the reasoning goes, his lack of conditioning will catch up. Sandoval thinks it’s at 30 years old, when his metabolism may go to hell and send him up toward three bills. And it’s why he’s giving himself two years. He turns 27 in August and wants to allow a grace period for slip-ups, as all attempts at resolutions in the past – who can forget Operation Panda? – ended back where they began.

“It’s part of my job,” Sandoval said. “People want to help me. They want the best for me. I always say thank you to people when they try that. I never get mad. I never get pissed. It’s one of the things they’re doing to help me to be in the big leagues.

“It is difficult. You’ve got a lot of things outside the field. But you need to learn and understand things you can do.”

Repoz Posted: March 26, 2013 at 05:18 AM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: giants

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. TomH Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:11 AM (#4396557)
I'll quit smoking... tomorrow!
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:18 AM (#4396559)
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
   3. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:26 AM (#4396564)
Teenage girls with ketchup too!
   4. Eric Ferguson Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:28 AM (#4396566)
When asked for his input, Dayton Moore thought Sandoval's goal might actually be a bit aggressive, as this kind of thing usually takes 8-10 years.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:32 AM (#4396570)
Oboy, that is some kind of logic there, Panda. He makes a lot of money...he should hire an ex-Navy SEAL or someone of that ilk to stay with him constantly and kick him in the balls if he takes even a step towards an In-N-Out or the Carvel freezer at Safeway.
   6. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:56 AM (#4396598)
#5 - Yeah, this little glimpse into the psyche of the Panda says just about all you need to know regarding his intentions on getting fit--as in, he has no real intention of doing so.
   7. depletion Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4396605)
Agree with #6. He's already made tons of money and had the championships. Why skip a few beers and a sausage sub? Losing weight gets MUCH harder past age 32 or so, trust me.
   8. DanO Posted: March 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM (#4396621)
“I’ve got this year and next year to change all the things,” can't possibly have anything to do with him being under contract this year and next year, hitting free agency after the 2014 season.
   9. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM (#4396624)
“I’ve got this year and next year to change all the things,” can't possibly have anything to do with him being under contract this year and next year, hitting free agency after the 2014 season.

He's not doing a great job setting himself up for free agency, is he?
   10. zack Posted: March 26, 2013 at 10:40 AM (#4396644)
You really think Panda wouldn't go for some raw fish eyes?
   11. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:16 AM (#4396693)
EDIT: Nevermind.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:20 AM (#4396700)
#5 - Yeah, this little glimpse into the psyche of the Panda says just about all you need to know regarding his intentions on getting fit--as in, he has no real intention of doing so.

Yeah. This article should be on the bulletin board of every front office in baseball with big red letters written on it saying:

"DO NOT SIGN SANDOVAL TO LONG-TERM CONTRACT!!!!"
   13. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4396713)
You know, in spite of all this, he's still fun to watch. But not for long, it appears.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM (#4396721)
"DO NOT SIGN SANDOVAL TO LONG-TERM CONTRACT!!!!"


If enough teams think like this, he will become a bargain.
   15. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:35 AM (#4396725)
You know, in spite of all this, he's still fun to watch.

No doubt. As great as he is, I think when he's done he'll be one of those guys we'll wonder about how great he could have been.

Also, I'm guessing Kirby Pickett is the over/under for how fat he'll get when he retires?
   16. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4396735)
Why in God's name don't teams have weight clauses in their contracts?
   17. zenbitz Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM (#4396742)
Worst shape of his life?
   18. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4396747)
Worst shape of his life?

Ha! True, is this the first time a player has just said, "Jeez, I'm fat this Spring. What a lardass I am. Ah well!"
   19. zack Posted: March 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4396748)
"I've got this year and next year to change all the things," Sandoval said. "It's going to take me a while, but I can do it. I know I can do it."

You know, you could read that quote as saying that he's going to spend the next two years working hard on cutting weight, before it really affects his career. Nothing in the article says otherwise, except Passan.
   20. The District Attorney Posted: March 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM (#4396799)
Why in God's name don't teams have weight clauses in their contracts?
Because it changes being in shape from a prerequisite to a fine. If the guy has a $100,000 weight clause and gives you the $100,000 rather than lose the weight, what are you supposed to say to him then?
   21. Steve Treder Posted: March 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM (#4396800)
If the question is how long and productive Sandoval's career will be, I will take the under. If the question is what his weight will be, it's the over.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4396801)
Why in God's name don't teams have weight clauses in their contracts?


Because they can't unilaterally insert clauses into contracts.
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4396802)
If the question is how long and productive Sandoval's career will be, I will take the under. If the question is what his weight will be, it's the over.


Doesn't it matter where the o/u lines are set?
   24. Steve Treder Posted: March 26, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4396810)
Doesn't it matter where the o/u lines are set?

Um, the joke was sort of that it doesn't.
   25. Darren Posted: March 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4396821)
I'm with Zack. Losing weight is hard even if it's very important to you.
   26. McCoy Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4396838)
It really is silly that teams don't do more to educate their young players about healthy diets.
   27. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:30 PM (#4396847)
Your Panda's so fat, when he hangs around the postgame spread, he spreads around the postgame spread.
   28. The Good Face Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:33 PM (#4396849)
Sandoval is getting paid millions of dollars, his team has won the WS twice on his watch, and he personally has been a very good player; there's not a ton of incentive to change the status quo there. I doubt that education about healthy diets is really going to make much difference in this case.
   29. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:34 PM (#4396850)
It really is silly that teams don't do more to educate their young players about healthy diets.


You can educate someone all day long, but you have to want to actually learn for it to work. Even if you do learn, it can be very difficult to change behaviors. Almost everyone has been educated that it's unhealthy to smoke, yet lots of people still do it even though they know they shouldn't.
   30. smileyy Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4396854)
[29] Sure, but there's still a rate of return on that. Don't let the best be the enemy of the good.
   31. Ron J2 Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4396864)
Further to #29, generally speaking players these days are eating healthier and in far better shape than they used to be. Though it's nothing like (say) Manchester United. I've linked to a story about their US tour and how Giggs said there was no chance of them being able to sample the local foods.

Players as undisciplined as Sandoval seems to be (on the food front that is) have never been particularly common.
   32. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4396865)
The Giants have tried pretty hard to get Sandoval to lose weight including threatening to send him to Fresno. The problem is he's too good for their threats to really carry much weight. (Phrasing!)
   33. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:43 PM (#4396868)
Was his 2010 season the result of poor conditioning? If so, there's his incentive right there. If he's lazy and sucks, it will cost him millions.
   34. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4396871)
[29] Sure, but there's still a rate of return on that. Don't let the best be the enemy of the good.


Oh, of course. I'm just saying there are very real limits to the benefits of health education, particularly with young men. I'd guess that other coersive strategies would be more useful, although if something is deeply psychologically entrenched, then there's almost nothing that will sway a person.

If behavior change was easy, we'd all be perfect, well-adjusted, healthy people.
   35. Steve Treder Posted: March 26, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4396879)
The Giants have tried pretty hard to get Sandoval to lose weight including threatening to send him to Fresno.

Was his 2010 season the result of poor conditioning?

Following the 2010 season, the Giants all but house-arrested Sandoval. They didn't let him go home to Venezuela, and instead put him in a full-blown conditioning/nutrition boot camp in Arizona for a couple of months. He lost over 40 pounds, and bounced back with the bat in 2011 (though he got hurt that year, and got hurt twice last year, and by last year just about all the weight was back.)
   36. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4396886)
Because they can't unilaterally insert clauses into contracts.


I realize this, but how would the MLBPA have a leg to stand on if they refused it? Being fat directly impacts your production on the field. If I was paying anyone millions of dollars to perform athletically, I would certainly like to be protected from the risk of what Sandoval is saying he's going to do (stay fat until his knees break down basically). I'm surprised some of the insurance companies that insure the teams against losses incurred by career-ending injuries don't have something to say about this. If I want insurance for a piddly little line of credit, I have to submit to physicals and be non-smoker, etc., but a pro athlete can just pack on the pounds, for all to see, and suffer no immediate consequences.

Edited for way too many typos.
   37. smileyy Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:14 PM (#4396893)
[34] I'd start in the minors, which I think some teams are doing. Pervasive influence and opportunity seems like a good way to have an effect.
   38. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4396906)
Some people just love food more than others too, which never gets mentioned.
   39. Ron J2 Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4396908)
#36 The argument is very similar to those made in the 80s about the need for testing for recreational drugs. The PA fired Marvin Miller's successor because he bought that argument.

The players basically don't want to hand that kind of power to a team without bargaining the point.

   40. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:35 PM (#4396916)
I realize this, but how would the MLBPA have a leg to stand on if they refused it?


The CBA is a pretty strong leg to stand on.
   41. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4396926)
The CBA is a pretty strong leg to stand on.


So, when it expires put a weight clause in. But, but, its my right to get fat!!!
   42. alilisd Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4396930)
Losing weight is hard even if it's very important to you.


Not when you are a professional athlete whose job is a physically active one to begin with. Then throw in the fact that he makes millions of dollars, which means he can afford to pay someone to shop for and prepare all of his meals and to pay someone to tell him exactly when, what and how long to exercise for as well as how many calories to eat. Sure, if you're an average Joe with a job behind a desk and a family to take care of in the evening and on the weekends, it's hard, but not when you have the resources someone like Sandoval does.
   43. standuptriple Posted: March 26, 2013 at 02:56 PM (#4396935)
It's official, Panda's weight needs to be addressed by the SF City Council. He's worse than the toys in Happy Meals. Impose the obesity tax on Sandoval AB's!!!!
   44. Flynn Posted: March 26, 2013 at 04:30 PM (#4397035)
Board of Supervisors. We're a county.


Not when you are a professional athlete whose job is a physically active one to begin with. Then throw in the fact that he makes millions of dollars, which means he can afford to pay someone to shop for and prepare all of his meals and to pay someone to tell him exactly when, what and how long to exercise for as well as how many calories to eat. Sure, if you're an average Joe with a job behind a desk and a family to take care of in the evening and on the weekends, it's hard, but not when you have the resources someone like Sandoval does.


Except he's fat and still a good third baseman who hits the crap out of the ball. It's not like the Giants have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about his production.
   45. Bhaakon Posted: March 26, 2013 at 09:08 PM (#4397214)
I realize this, but how would the MLBPA have a leg to stand on if they refused it?


Because it's already in the Uniform Player Contract:

Loyalty
3.(a) The Player agrees to perform his services hereunder diligently
and faithfully, to keep himself in first-class physical condition and to
obey the Club’s training rules....


It's just 1) there's no clear punishment outlined, and 2) no team has tried to enforce it, as far as I'm aware. Either the player is, like Sandoval, good enough to scoff at the club's requests, or their insubordination is rewarded with a trip to the minors.
   46. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 08:08 AM (#4397443)
Not when you are a professional athlete whose job is a physically active one to begin with. Then throw in the fact that he makes millions of dollars, which means he can afford to pay someone to shop for and prepare all of his meals and to pay someone to tell him exactly when, what and how long to exercise for as well as how many calories to eat. Sure, if you're an average Joe with a job behind a desk and a family to take care of in the evening and on the weekends, it's hard, but not when you have the resources someone like Sandoval does.


Spoken like a thin person.

Two videos explaining being fat from Louis CK. NSFW.
   47. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 27, 2013 at 08:31 AM (#4397445)
Being fat directly impacts your production on the field. If I was paying anyone millions of dollars to perform athletically, I would certainly like to be protected from the risk of what Sandoval is saying he's going to do (stay fat until his knees break down basically). I'm surprised some of the insurance companies that insure the teams against losses incurred by career-ending injuries don't have something to say about this. If I want insurance for a piddly little line of credit, I have to submit to physicals and be non-smoker, etc., but a pro athlete can just pack on the pounds, for all to see, and suffer no immediate consequences.


You have no idea if the team has insurance out on Panda, no idea what rates they may be paying, and no idea if those rates are higher than average. As for Panda suffering consequences, we will have to wait and see when he signs his next deal. I am sure some teams will be hesitant to make an offer or reduce their offer if he is still pushing 3 bills.
   48. Ron J2 Posted: March 27, 2013 at 09:08 AM (#4397459)
#45 There are practical limits to what a club can do with the clause. An arbitrator won't allow any kind of selective enforcement and the limits on discipline related penalties are well established.

They can as you note send him to the minors or cut his playing time. Currently neither is much of a threat to Sandoval.
   49. alilisd Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4397850)
Spoken like a thin person.


Spoken like a person ignorant of the resources available to someone who has been paid over $4.5 million dollars over the past four years and who will be paid $5.7 million dollars this year alone.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 9-16-2014
(111 - 1:23am, Sep 17)
Last: boteman is not here 'til October

NewsblogBryan Cranston’s One-Man Baseball Play Inspired By ‘Looney Tunes’ Is Incredible
(19 - 1:20am, Sep 17)
Last: boteman is not here 'til October

NewsblogA’s lose Triple-A Sacramento affiliate
(57 - 1:20am, Sep 17)
Last: odds are meatwad is drunk

NewsblogDave Kreiger: New Baseball Hall of Fame voting rules
(44 - 1:17am, Sep 17)
Last: SoSHially Unacceptable

NewsblogPedro pens a letter to Clayton Kershaw
(15 - 12:42am, Sep 17)
Last: Textbook Editor

NewsblogNew approach on offense has Pirates in playoff contention this season
(4 - 12:24am, Sep 17)
Last: Sunday silence

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread, September 2014
(249 - 11:58pm, Sep 16)
Last: The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB)

NewsblogSteven Matz, other top minor league Mets to be honored at Citi Field on Monday
(22 - 11:57pm, Sep 16)
Last: billyshears

NewsblogJohnny Cueto shuts down the Cardinals, lowers ERA to 2.15
(26 - 11:51pm, Sep 16)
Last: Srul Itza

NewsblogVox.com: Major League Baseball’s human-trafficking problem
(7 - 10:29pm, Sep 16)
Last: The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott)

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-16-2014
(26 - 10:01pm, Sep 16)
Last: bobm

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - September 2014
(262 - 10:00pm, Sep 16)
Last: rr

NewsblogLonestarball: Jonathan Papelbon suspended for 7 games
(13 - 9:51pm, Sep 16)
Last: Famous Original Joe C

NewsblogToronto Blue Jays’ Marcus Stroman gets no defence from his manager after nearly hitting a batter in the head
(22 - 9:27pm, Sep 16)
Last: Random Transaction Generator

NewsblogOT: Politics, September, 2014: ESPN honors Daily Worker sports editor Lester Rodney
(2704 - 9:00pm, Sep 16)
Last: Howie Menckel

Page rendered in 0.4943 seconds
52 querie(s) executed