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Pat Neshek rips Zack Greinke for not signing autograph | SI.com

Don’t bother sending Zach Greinke an autograph request. Pat Neshek is fair game.

Jim Furtado Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:23 PM | 52 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5535282)
Asking another player for his autograph is weird. It's not like it's for some kid. Neshek wants it for himself.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:49 PM (#5535287)
Bizarre. Grienke is a dick, there's no doubt about that, but it's hilarious that an MLB player is active in an autograph-seekers message board.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5535289)
Bizarre. Grienke is a dick, there's no doubt about that,

He's not a dick, he has intense anxiety issues and has lots of trouble dealing with people. It almost cost him his career at one point.
   4. Ziggy: The Platonic Form of Russell Branyan Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5535292)
Neshek also collects baseball cards. Lots of new stuff, but he put in a (losing) bid on a T206 Wagner recently. ($500k maybe? Don't remember the details.)
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 03:58 PM (#5535295)
it's hilarious that an MLB player is active in an autograph-seekers message board.

ISTR Peter Moylan being a Diamond Mind player and occasionally posting to the forum there.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5535300)
He's not a dick, he has intense anxiety issues and has lots of trouble dealing with people. It almost cost him his career at one point.


I think he's a dick too though.
   7. RJ in TO Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5535310)
Come on, would a dick do something like this?
   8. madvillain Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5535320)
He's not a dick, he has intense anxiety issues and has lots of trouble dealing with people. It almost cost him his career at one point.


actually he's a self absorbed ######### that used mental illness as an excuse for being a #########.
   9. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5535324)
Asking another player for his autograph is weird. It's not like it's for some kid. Neshek wants it for himself.
This article doesn't say it, but I read an article about this that said players asking for autographs isn't really that unusual.
   10. craigamazing Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5535332)


actually he's a self absorbed ######### that used mental illness as an excuse for being a #########.


As someone who has always battled crippling/mental health issues, I've heard this sentiment a bunch. Maybe it's true for me, who knows, but it sure seems like a lot of the simple day to day interactions that "normal" people don't even think about are often incredibly difficult and easy to screw up.

   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:38 PM (#5535338)
actually he's a self absorbed ######### that used mental illness as an excuse for being a #########.

WTF would you be so mad at the guy? Because he's not buddy, buddy with his teammates? He doesn't owe them anything.
   12. madvillain Posted: September 20, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5535348)
WTF would you be so mad at the guy? Because he's not buddy, buddy with his teammates? He doesn't owe them anything.


To be fair, I've disliked the guy ever since the Carlos Quentin White Sox incident. But I've seen enough of his antics and interviews after that to conclude that whatever social anxiety he has runs concurrent to being a world class dick. He's rude to reporters, rude to team mates, and apparently backs out of things he said he'd do and then when challenged rather than just say "sorry dude I changed my mind" he comes back with some pithy comment and runs off into the dugout.

I have social anxiety issues at times as well and I understand how not wanting to deal with people can lead to curt, socially awkward conversations and interactions at times. But part of dealing with my issues is realizing how my actions are being perceived and smiling and nodding and doing the social cue #### even when I'd rather not.

Most people respond pretty well to "you know I'm having a rough day; I have a lot on my plate" and then you smile and say "I'll catch you a better time".

I've been working on it and Greinke should be too. God knows he has access to help I can only dream of affording.
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: September 20, 2017 at 06:47 PM (#5535403)

I've been working on it and Greinke should be too. God knows he has access to help I can only dream of affording.


And unless I am missing something Greinke has God knows how much more fame than you. Not saying what you deal with is easy, I am sure it isn't, but take whatever interactions you have, and then imagine them on a national setting. Fun times I am sure.
   14. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:01 PM (#5535555)
Asking another player for his autograph is weird. It's not like it's for some kid. Neshek wants it for himself.

What on earth is wrong with that? I've read about plenty of players who've asked other players for autographs, though most of the time this was at All-Star games or on Old Timers Day. What's weird to me is American-born players who don't know or care anything about the history of the game they're playing. I don't collect autographs, but millions of people do, and unless you're one of the geeks who keeps badgering players for autographs that you intend to sell, I can't see anything even slightly weird or objectionable about it.

EDIT: coke to TDF

   15. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:58 PM (#5535581)
He's not a dick, he has intense anxiety issues and has lots of trouble dealing with people. It almost cost him his career at one point.


The day that he took the long green from the Dodgers back in 2012 was an inspiration for millions. Rumors are that they are in production on the Hallmark movie about all that he overcame.

(I'm actually friendly to the argument that mental illness is underrated in society, but other than being open about his problems and therefore dragging the issue into the sports mainstream, I find this kind of sentiment a bit much.)
   16. The Duke Posted: September 20, 2017 at 11:59 PM (#5535582)
I wonder whether he would let Yadi take a picture of him at the all-star game?
   17. Baldrick Posted: September 21, 2017 at 02:15 AM (#5535605)
To be fair, I've disliked the guy ever since the Carlos Quentin White Sox incident.

Wait, what?

The incident where Carlos Quentin intuited some deep insult out of a couple HBPs spaced out over several years, charged the mound, and broke Greinke's collarbone?! That incident?
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:15 AM (#5535672)
Greinke doesn't have to sign anything he doesn't want to sign, though if he didn't want to sign an autograph for Neshek, it would've been better if he hadn't agreed to do it in the first place. Maybe he felt like he was in a situation where he wasn't able to say "no"? Hard to tell without being there.
   19. Ithaca2323 Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:19 AM (#5535682)
Neshek is welcome to ask Greinke for an autograph, Greinke is perfectly within bounds to say no, or, say yes and change his mind.

If I were in Greinke's shoes, I'd sign because it doesn't seem like a big deal (putting aside whatever social anxiety issues he may have, since it's not my place to speculate on what could be a medical issue).

I've read about plenty of players who've asked other players for autographs, though most of the time this was at All-Star games or on Old Timers Day


As have I, but considering Neshek's apparently so worked up about not getting someone's name scribbled on a piece of cardboard he feels the need to go on a message board and call that player names, maybe he's irked some players before with this kind of stuff. Not in a confrontational way, but sort of a private eye-rolling way. Maybe Greinke, in addition to whatever medical issue, is just not the kind of guy who wants to deal with this stuff.
   20. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:03 AM (#5535725)
Players do seek out other players' autographs. It is quite common, from what I understand. Hell, there is even a story right now about Stephen Vogt's house being broken into and his stuff being stolen, which has him upset as many of the items are autographed TO him personally from other baseball stars.

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   21. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:08 AM (#5535731)
(I'm actually friendly to the argument that mental illness is underrated in society, but other than being open about his problems and therefore dragging the issue into the sports mainstream, I find this kind of sentiment a bit much.)


What's "a bit much" about it? Is it difficult to understand that a professional athlete who does his job in front of tens of thousands of people every night and millions more on television and radio and then is analyzed and dissected for the next several days all over TV, radio and internet by a bunch of yahoos might just have his career adversely affected by anxiety issues that he cannot control? I mean he's not rushing into burning buildings or anything but I suspect it was all a lot more difficult than people without such issues can understand.
   22. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:10 AM (#5535732)
Greinke was a complete douche in the Quentin incident; the look on his face when he was calling Quentin out was pretty much Peak Douche -- a level that would-be claimants to the throne like Bryce Harper can only dream of accomplishing.

   23. Rally Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:11 AM (#5535737)
The incident where Carlos Quentin intuited some deep insult out of a couple HBPs spaced out over several years, charged the mound, and broke Greinke's collarbone?! That incident?


I don't get a guy like Quentin charging the mound against anyone, ever. He's one of those guys who build his OBP off the hit by pitch. He led the league twice, 2 other times had 20 HBP, and in his first season in the minors was hit by 43 pitches. Did Don Baylor or Craig Biggio ever charge the mound after being hit?

You just simply do not get hit by that many pitches unless you are willing to. Maybe or maybe not actively trying to take one for the team, but at the very least you have to be crowding the plate or diving in. If you really don't like the HBP then you change your approach. Like Garret Anderson (a guy who could have used the OBP infusion), who was hit by all of 8 pitches in 17 years, and once went over 3000 AB between HBP.
   24. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:12 AM (#5535740)
Yeah, it's quite easy to see how signing your name on a piece of paper could be a task beyond the scope of mere mortals and grounds for all measures of anxiety.

How did Greinke ever manage to buy a house or rent an apartment?
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5535745)
I don't get a guy like Quentin charging the mound against anyone, ever. He's one of those guys who build his OBP off the hit by pitch. He led the league twice, 2 other times had 20 HBP, and in his first season in the minors was hit by 43 pitches. Did Don Baylor or Craig Biggio ever charge the mound after being hit?


There was bad blood between him and Greinke (really between Greinke and all of the guys on the White Sox at the time). Greinke knew it before the game, knew that if he hit him that Quentin might do something, then hit him and acted the tough guy as Quentin boiled. It didn't absolve Quentin of guilt for charging the mound (and Greinke getting hurt in the melee, though not by Quentin directly), but it sure as hell made Greinke less sympathetic if you looked at the whole picture.

And, based on other events, I'm pretty confident with the idea that Greinke is a guy with social anxiety issues who also happens to be a dick.
   26. Ithaca2323 Posted: September 21, 2017 at 11:30 AM (#5535834)
Yeah, it's quite easy to see how signing your name on a piece of paper could be a task beyond the scope of mere mortals and grounds for all measures of anxiety.

How did Greinke ever manage to buy a house or rent an apartment?



It's also quite easy to see how not signing your name on a piece of paper could cause a grown man to run to a message board and post insults.

How did Neshek ever handle getting turned down for a date?

I'm not absolving Greinke. It's possible his anxiety issues aren't the issue here, and that he's just a jerk. Fine. Neshek's response to this alleged snub is to go whining on a message board about it, which strikes me as equally idiotic. What's he hoping to accomplish? Plenty in the game already know Greinke's attitude. Plenty probably don't care. So what's his aim, other than proving to be just as much of a jerk?
   27. Boxkutter Posted: September 21, 2017 at 11:37 AM (#5535841)
I too am pretty sympathetic to the MH issues, since my career is in corrections and I see people with MH issues all the time. I am also pretty reclusive and introverted personally so I know how awkward social interactions can be. But the awkward part had already taken place. Neshek was a former teammate who asked him at the All Star Game if he would sign a few cards (at a future time) and Greinke allegedly agreed. Then when their teams later played each other, Neshek had them sent over and Greinke refused to sign them. I think I read that it was three cards. The social interaction was already complete so I don't see how you can blame any of this on a MH or social anxiety issue. If it's true, and Greinke agreed to it and changed his mind, which he is allowed to do, he is an a-hole as Neshek said. Just because you're allowed to do something (change your mind, burn the flag, call someone a racist name) doesn't mean you aren't an a-hole for doing it.
   28. madvillain Posted: September 21, 2017 at 01:08 PM (#5535949)
There was bad blood between him and Greinke (really between Greinke and all of the guys on the White Sox at the time). Greinke knew it before the game, knew that if he hit him that Quentin might do something, then hit him and acted the tough guy as Quentin boiled. It didn't absolve Quentin of guilt for charging the mound (and Greinke getting hurt in the melee, though not by Quentin directly), but it sure as hell made Greinke less sympathetic if you looked at the whole picture.


More history on the Quentin, Greinke beef.

According to sources, Quentin on multiple occasions since has sent emissaries to quiz Greinke and ask for explanations as to why Greinke was throwing at Quentin (he also hit Quentin once in 2008). He never got an answer, which apparently has only shortened his fuse.
Standing in front of his locker with two very visible scrapes on his forehead, Quentin essentially confirmed this during a testy nine-minute session with reporters Friday afternoon.
“It’s been over three years,” Quentin said. “A lot of that could have been resolved in that amount of time. I was very open to a resolution. I believe you can ask Zack about that.”
So Quentin has not able to reach Greinke and get answers.
“Never,” he said. “And that’s disappointing.”
With the White Sox in 2009 when Greinke hit him for a second time (and the last time before this week), Quentin made his intentions clear, according to several tweets from Ozzie Guillen’s son, Oney, over the past 24 hours.
Ozzie Guillen was the manager during all four of Quentin’s seasons with the White Sox, and Quentin essentially admitted to the threats exposed by Oney Guillen via Twitter.
“He knew what was going on, Zack did,” Quentin said. “He was approached by teammates. His own teammates had spoken to me. All I would ask is for a resolution. I’m a person. I can be spoken to.”
   29. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 21, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5535976)
How did Greinke ever manage to buy a house or rent an apartment?

1. Win National Player of the Year award as high-school senior.
2. Receive $2.5 million signing bonus at age 18.
3. PROFIT!
4. Pay other people to do all that sh*t for you.
   30. The Good Face Posted: September 21, 2017 at 01:44 PM (#5535994)
Quentin on multiple occasions since has sent emissaries to quiz Greinke and ask for explanations as to why Greinke was throwing at Quentin (he also hit Quentin once in 2008). He never got an answer, which apparently has only shortened his fuse.


This is just odd. Quentin looked for opportunities to get hit by pitches; that was kind of his thing. And he "sent emissaries" to find out why Greinke was hitting him with pitches, demanding answers? WTF? If I were Greinke, I probably would have ignored him and his weird, drama queen BS too.
   31. madvillain Posted: September 21, 2017 at 01:58 PM (#5536015)
This is just odd. Quentin looked for opportunities to get hit by pitches; that was kind of his thing. And he "sent emissaries" to find out why Greinke was hitting him with pitches, demanding answers? WTF? If I were Greinke, I probably would have ignored him and his weird, drama queen BS too.


Read between the lines. This wasn't just Quentin sticking out his elbow. It was Greinke hitting him multiple times.

Here's more background, I don't expect non White Sox fans to know his history but here it is:

Greinke has hit White Sox batters nine times in 156 1/3 innings, by far his highest rate against an AL Central club, according to STATS LLC. He has hit Twins batters four times in 118 innings, Indians batters three times in 139 2/3 innings and Tigers batters not once in 148 innings.

As if the numbers aren’t telling enough, Greinke seemed to boast about hitting A.J. Pierzynski, then with the White Sox, in an interview with a Kansas City radio station in 2008. Greinke mentioned that he had hit Pierzynski with a slider a few years before, and that blood had to be drained from the catcher’s toe, “so that was one of my better hit batters.”


It is not known whether Greinke was joking during the interview. The White Sox, though, were not amused. A source close to the team alerted me to Greinke’s interview over the weekend, saying, “Not trying to defend Carlos, but I think this had been boiling for years and is a combination of not only getting hit by Greinke and watching him plunk teammates over the years and brag about it.”


What a #########.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 21, 2017 at 02:02 PM (#5536020)
Greinke seemed to boast about hitting A.J. Pierzynski,

In fairness, pretty much anyone who could legally throw a projectile 95 MPH at AJ Pierzynski would have happily done it and boasted about it.
   33. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 21, 2017 at 02:09 PM (#5536031)
Players do seek out other players' autographs. It is quite common, from what I understand.

A couple of friends of mine worked in the Rangers visiting clubhouse during the Nolan Ryan era and they said the routine was something like Nolan would sign for visiting players on the next to last day of each series unless he was pitching that day then they'd move it back a day. I would guess such arrangements aren't unusual for superstar players.
   34. Zach Posted: September 21, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5536172)
With Greinke acting so reasonably all the time, you wonder how they ever diagnosed social problems.

Maybe he's just really good at hiding it, and other players construct these ridiculous scenarios to try and catch him. Sort of like touching Adrian Beltre's head.
   35. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 21, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5536182)
Quentin got hit by Greinke three times in 34 PAs, which seems pretty high, but not ridiculously so. On the other hand, Jon Lester hit Quentin three times in 18 PAs, and Erik Bedard hit him three times in NINE PAs.
   36. Baldrick Posted: September 21, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5536214)
Greinke is clearly a weird dude who doesn't get along very well with others all the time, and occasionally is a pain in the ass. No one is claiming otherwise, from what I can tell. Doesn't mean that other people can't be far more at fault for taking his weird pain-in-the-ass behavior and blowing it out of proportion.
   37. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 21, 2017 at 08:56 PM (#5536271)
I mean it's not like you can't look up the Greinke/Quentin hbp. It was a pitch that ran inside sure. But Quentin is hanging out over the plate, and makes no effort to get out of the way, and it bounces off his arm. If he moves even a few inches back, he doesn't get hit. That's not a ridiculous pitch, no matter what the situation. Hell, if umpires ever called it correctly, they would have refused Quentin first base, because he made no effort to get out of the way.

If you are going to get upset about that pitch, you are basically saying no pitcher can ever pitch inside ever. Which is insane.
   38. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:06 PM (#5536278)
I mean it's not like you can't look up the Greinke/Quentin hbp. It was a pitch that ran inside sure. But Quentin is hanging out over the plate, and makes no effort to get out of the way, and it bounces off his arm. If he moves even a few inches back, he doesn't get hit. That's not a ridiculous pitch, no matter what the situation. Hell, if umpires ever called it correctly, they would have refused Quentin first base, because he made no effort to get out of the way.


He couldn't have refused him first. It would have been ball four.

I don't think Quentin necessarily thought it was intentional. I don't think he cared. I think he had decided previously that if Greinke hit him again, he wasn't going to let it go. And when he stared down Greinke and Greinke said something in return, he charged.

Greinke admitted afterwards that he knew Quentin had a problem with him, and that he should have alerted his catcher Ellis before the game about the hard feelings.

   39. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:25 PM (#5536287)
He couldn't have refused him first. It would have been ball four.

Fair point. The video I watched of course started with the hbp, so wasn't paying any attention to the count.

But it kind of reinforces the point that it wasn't intentional. I mean how many pitches are you going to waste on a guy if you want to hit him?

Just makes the "I hated him since that incident" kind of justifications look really silly imo. Hating on a guy for something that wasn't intentional? Come on.
   40. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:31 PM (#5536293)
Just makes the "I hated him since that incident" kind of justifications look really silly imo. Hating on a guy for something that wasn't intentional? Come on.


Agreed. Greinke has given plenty of other better reasons to dislike the guy.

I don't think he necessarily did anything wrong here. At the same time, I didn't feel any sympathy for his plight. He hit a guy that he already knew had a problem with him (and Quentin and the White Sox had legitimate grounds to dislike him). After he hit him (and it's worth noting that unintentional HBPs don't hurt less than the intentional ones), if he wanted to avoid a confrontation, he could have done a quick "my bad. Sorry, it got away from me." Instead, he had to play the badass, and he suffered because of it.
   41. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:35 PM (#5536295)
if he wanted to avoid a confrontation, he could have done a quick "my bad. Sorry, it got away from me."

Which would have been the first time in history a pitcher has ever done that.

That is a completely unreasonable standard to hold him to. Quentin started the confrontation with his reaction, and then escalated it into an actual fight. He carries 100% of the blame here.
   42. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:36 PM (#5536296)
Greinke has hit White Sox batters nine times in 156 1/3 innings, by far his highest rate against an AL Central club, according to STATS LLC. He has hit Twins batters four times in 118 innings, Indians batters three times in 139 2/3 innings and Tigers batters not once in 148 innings.

The White Sox have been a pretty HBP-heavy team throughout Greinke's career. They've been above the AL median in HBP every year but one for the last 10, and led the league 3 times in a row from 2010-12. In Greinke's three 200-inning seasons in KC (2008-10), they ranked 5th, 3rd, and 1st in the AL in times hit by pitch. So it's not that surprising that he hit them more often than he hit other teams.

Also, are we really reading nefarious intent into Greinke having hit Pierzynski in the toe with a slider?
   43. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:42 PM (#5536301)
Which would have been the first time in history a pitcher has ever done that.


Hardly.

But again, he knew Quentin had a problem with him before the pitch, which he admitted afterward. Quentin didn't charge immediately, but only after Greinke said something to him. Greinke could have taken steps to lessen the chance of a brawl if he wanted to. He chose not to. Too bad for him.

Also, are we really reading nefarious intent into Greinke having hit Pierzynski in the toe with a slider?


No. Just that when he goes on the radio and says that an HBP that broke a player's toe was his best HBP, we're reading that he's a dick. Because that's what dicks do.
   44. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:49 PM (#5536308)
But again, he knew Quentin had a problem with him before the pitch, which he admitted afterward. Quentin didn't charge immediately, but only after Greinke said something to him. Greinke could have taken steps to lessen the chance of a brawl if he wanted to. He chose not to. Too bad for him.

If Quentin has a problem with getting hit, he shouldn't crowd the plate. He chose not to. Too bad for him.

Pitching inside is and always has been the standard way to get guys to back of from crowding the plate. If you won't back off and get plunked, I am certainly not going to have any sympathy for you. Shut up and take your base.

Hitters do it because it is a competitive advantage to them. Saying pitchers can't brush them back, because it might upset the hitter is insane. Pitchers are well within their right to pitch there. Saying they aren't is saying they just have to live with the hitter gaining a huge advantage.
   45. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 21, 2017 at 09:53 PM (#5536316)
If Quentin has a problem with getting hit, he shouldn't crowd the plate. He chose not to. Too bad for him.


Agreed. I've never defended Quentin. He should have gotten a stiffer penalty, as should all batters who charge the mound.

But just because Quentin was completely in the wrong doesn't mean Greinke didn't share some role in his fate. He did.


Pitching inside is and always has been the standard way to get guys to back of from crowding the plate. If you won't back off and get plunked, I am certainly not going to have any sympathy for you. Shut up and take your base.

Hitters do it because it is a competitive advantage to them. Saying pitchers can't brush them back, because it might upset the hitter is insane. Pitchers are well within their right to pitch there. Saying they aren't is saying they just have to live with the hitter gaining a huge advantage.


Also true, and never disputed.
   46. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:00 PM (#5536325)
Agreed. I've never defended Quentin. He should have gotten a stiffer penalty, as should all batters who charge the mound.

But just because Quentin was completely in the wrong doesn't mean Greinke didn't share some role in his fate. He did.

[...]

Also true, and never disputed.


Well then at that point, you are just holding Greinke to a completely different standard than any other pitcher. I have literally never seen a pitcher back down if a hitter starts glaring at them, or starts jawing at them. It just doesn't happen.
   47. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:06 PM (#5536330)
Well then at that point, you are just holding Greinke to a completely different standard than any other pitcher.


I can't speak to what you've seen, but yes, plenty of pitchers have made motions to batters indicating a hit by pitch was unintentional. It's not that uncommon, particularly if one is interested in conveying the idea that the hit by pitch, was in fact, not intentional. That would seem to be especially prudent when you know the guy you just hit with a spheroid thrown at high velocity already doesn't like you. That is, if you're interested in avoiding a fight.
   48. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: September 21, 2017 at 10:45 PM (#5536391)
I seem to remember Quentin expressing regret about the incident at some point.
   49. TheHomeRunsOfJuanPierre Posted: September 22, 2017 at 01:47 PM (#5536901)
Thoughtless, dumb thread. This site is full of smart people, why did this thread go so bad?

   50. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5536970)
Thoughtless, dumb thread. This site is full of smart people, why did this thread go so bad?

New BBTF tagline?
   51. Gaelan Posted: September 22, 2017 at 04:09 PM (#5537027)
If Quentin was completely in the wrong (and he was) then Greinke is blameless. If a known piece of #### who makes a career out of getting hit on purpose ####### at you after getting hit, it is your responsibility as a human being with pride to talk back to them. Not backing down is a huge part of competitive sports. Greinke was right not to back down.
   52. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: September 22, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5537054)
Yeah. I see pitchers offer a sheepish post-HBP apology at least a few times a year, and I respect them for it. But I see no reason to apologize for hitting a guy who goes out of his way to get hit.

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