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Wednesday, December 04, 2013

Paul Konerko to return to White Sox

Wonder if he’s going to hit .400 agai…oh, wait.

Konerko signed a one-year, $2.5 million contract, in which he will receive $1.5 million in 2014 and $1 million in 2021.

“I’m looking forward to coming back in a new role where I can help both the organization and my teammates get turned around in the right direction and also do some productive things on the field,” Konerko said in a Sox release.

Konerko, a 37-year-old first baseman/designated hitter, was deciding whether to return to the Sox for another year, retire or play for another team. He said in September that if he returned it would likely be his last season.

“Paul Konerko has been an extremely important member of our lineup and presence in our clubhouse since his arrival in Chicago,” Sox general manager Rick Hahn said in the release.  “Paul needed time this fall to step away, think about his situation, and reach his own conclusions.  We are very pleased that he has decided to come back for another season.”

...“Paul Konerko has been the constant face of the White Sox organization and the heart of our clubhouse over the past 15 seasons,” Reinsdorf said. “He certainly earned the right to make this decision on his own, and we are very pleased that he has decided to return for another season.  While the accomplishments speak for themselves—six All-Star Games, a World Series title, 427 home runs with the White Sox—anyone who is in our clubhouse day-in and day-out knows the value Paul brings to our franchise as a leader, as a teammate, as a mentor and as our captain.”

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   1. JJ1986 Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4610530)
and $1 million in 2021.


What?
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4610543)
and $1 million in 2021.


What?


Would you do Paul Konerko for Bobby Bonilla straight up?
   3. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:25 PM (#4610545)
Maybe he'll play a game in 2021 to compete with Minnie for the every decade thing?
   4. eddieot Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4610551)
Bobby Bonilla scoffs at your piddling deferred payment.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4610557)
Can't wait to get tickets now for Paul Konerko Appreciation Night at The Ballpark in Arlington!!! I wonder what parting gift the club will present him in a richly-deserved pregame ceremony.
   6. Delorians Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4610611)
He'll need to finish with a flourish to surpass Frank Thomas as the White Sox career leader in HRs (needs 22) or RBI (needs 105). He is almost assured of passing Thomas to become the White Sox all-time leader in total bases (needs 6).
   7. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:21 PM (#4610620)
So he's only 6 total bases behind the Big Hurt, despite trailing him by 22 HR's?

Pauly Konerko, doubles machine.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4610623)
He is almost assured of passing Thomas to become the White Sox all-time leader in total bases (needs 6).

This inevitably means that Konerko will repeat Juan Gonzalez's 2004 statistics.
   9. Karl from NY Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:30 PM (#4610630)
Does Konerko already have some deferred money scheduled for the next few years? That's about the only way deferring all the way to 2021 makes sense, if he's already got some through 2020.
   10. I am going to be Frank Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4610639)
A million dollars is a lot of money, but for a baseball team paying a player its less than a pittance. Does Konerko not know how to manage his money? If that's the case then one million eight years from now is not going to help with that problem.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:41 PM (#4610651)
maybe it's when a kid will start college. or he's planning to get divorced in 2020 and wants some post-community property.
   12. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:43 PM (#4610654)
There has to be an Adam Dunn trade in the works at this point. The Sox now have 5 players for 2 corner infield positions (OK there's the DH too): Abreu, Dunn, Konerko, Gillaspie, Keppinger. At this time, Abreu starts at 1B, Gillaspie at 3B, & Dunn at DH. I guess you can platoon Konerko & Dunn at DH but it still seems like a waste of a roster spot.

Maybe they'll go with a 6-man bench this year: Catcher TBD, Konerko, Semien, L. Garcia, Keppinger, Danks.
   13. brutus Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4610664)
Konerko's previous contract had $1M payments every year through 2020. This new contract just adds another year of $1M.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: December 04, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4610666)
Does Konerko not know how to manage his money? If that's the case then one million eight years from now is not going to help with that problem.


I'm guessing he didn't turn down a million now in favor of a million in 7 years.
   15. I Am Not a Number Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4610680)
I'm guessing he didn't turn down a million now in favor of a million in 7 years.

But he did for ask for a hamburger today. Or maybe it was two tomorrow.
   16. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4610683)
I guess you can platoon Konerko & Dunn at DH but it still seems like a waste of a roster spot.

The White Sox are always wasting a roster spot, whether it's on Ray Olmedo, Tyler Greene, Jordan Danks, Brents Morel and Lillibridge, or whoever. Might as well have Konerko on there to provide leadership, if it's only going to cost $1 million and having him plus Dunn is better than having just Dunn.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4610686)
Is this going to get ugly when Konerko isn't playing because Abreu is mashing home runs, but not "playing baseball the right way" and Konerko complains about how showy he is and how they need someone out there to show those youngsters how to play the game?
   18. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4610691)
I guess you can platoon Konerko & Dunn at DH but it still seems like a waste of a roster spot.

It is a waste of a roster sport, but if they repeat last year's platoon splits then it makes for a competent DH:

Konerko vsLHP  313/398/525
Dunn vs
RHP     226/327/459 

Sample size, regression, etc. Still, it's not the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Though I'd still prefer they trade Dunn for whatever they get and play Dan Black or whatever other overage minor leaguer looks good in Spring Training.
   19. DL from MN Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:24 PM (#4610694)
Deferred money can help with taxes. I know ballplayers typically pay state income taxes where the games are played. How does that work with deferred money? He earned it for playing baseball but it isn't paid out until after his playing career is over.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4610696)
How does that work with deferred money? He earned it for playing baseball but it isn't paid out until after his playing career is over.


I assume its like any employee deferred compensation plan. You pay taxes when you receive the income.

As far as state taxes, This says:

Under federal law, states are not allowed to tax retirement income of nonresidents if the payments meet certain criteria. If the payments are from a nonqualified deferred compensation plan, the payments must be made over a period of at least ten years or for life


So it looks like maybe Konerko is subject to state taxes? Not sure how they'd divy that out.
   21. zonk Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:43 PM (#4610705)
Deferred money can help with taxes. I know ballplayers typically pay state income taxes where the games are played. How does that work with deferred money? He earned it for playing baseball but it isn't paid out until after his playing career is over.


This may be true, but players ought to also be able to afford accountants...

Hey, maybe he just loves Jerry Reinsdorf so is doing this to be as nice to Jerry's wallet as possible, but he's actually losing money by spreading out however many million dollars over 10 (whatever).

It's like giving the White Sox a zero interest loan for X years. The only way I'd agree to something like this would be a situation where I would get say, 9 million this year or 10 million spread over 5 years. Even then, I doubt it's a good deal.

   22. madvillain Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4610707)
Ray Olmedo, Tyler Greene, Jordan Danks, Brents Morel and Lillibridge


Lillibridge is actually a solid utility player, cromulent bench bat but with the versatility he offered valuable as a jack of all trades master of none type. Rest of those guys suck ass.

Chicago isn't in a 25 man or 40 man roster crunch, they don't have enough talent, so I'm whatever on this move. Prolly helps sell a few tickets, and they need all the help they can get there. As long as he doesn't get more than 300 PA (unless he gets a crazy dead cat bounce) I'm fine with it.
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4610711)
Hey, maybe he just loves Jerry Reinsdorf so is doing this to be as nice to Jerry's wallet as possible, but he's actually losing money by spreading out however many million dollars over 10 (years).


Shouldn't we assume that's a different amount being spread out over 10 years than what would have been offered for non-deferred money?
   24. Kurt Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4610714)
Hey, maybe he just loves Jerry Reinsdorf so is doing this to be as nice to Jerry's wallet as possible, but he's actually losing money by spreading out however many million dollars over 10 (whatever).

It's like giving the White Sox a zero interest loan for X years. The only way I'd agree to something like this would be a situation where I would get say, 9 million this year or 10 million spread over 5 years. Even then, I doubt it's a good deal.


I really, really doubt the Sox said to him "Our offer is $2.5 million. Would you like it all now, or do you want 1.5 now and the rest in 2021?" and Konerko replied "The second one! The second one!"
   25. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 04, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4610715)
Konerko's career gross earnings are north of $120mm. I think he'll be just fine deferring receipt of $1mm a few years.
   26. zonk Posted: December 04, 2013 at 05:19 PM (#4610726)
I really, really doubt the Sox said to him "Our offer is $2.5 million. Would you like it all now, or do you want 1.5 now and the rest in 2021?" and Konerko replied "The second one! The second one!"


I doubt it, too... but I've seen no indication that this was the case so didn't want to assume the opposite either.

Konerko's career gross earnings are north of $120mm. I think he'll be just fine deferring receipt of $1mm a few years.


Hey, no doubt -- and bully for Konerko if the idea here was to give the Sox a few extra bucks to spend on Adam Dunn :-)
   27. madvillain Posted: December 04, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4610731)
Konerko complains about how showy he is and how they need someone out there to show those youngsters how to play the game?


Konerko's leadership ability is incredibly over-rated among the casual Chicago fan but one thing I'd be absolutely shocked at, is if he threw a team mate under the bus via the media. He might do it in the manager's office or clubhouse, but through the media isn't his style.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: December 04, 2013 at 05:42 PM (#4610741)
The Sox now have 5 players for 2 corner infield positions (OK there's the DH too)

Konerko's quote makes it fairly clear he's not expecting to play much: “I’m looking forward to coming back in a new role where I can help both the organization and my teammates get turned around in the right direction and also do some productive things on the field,” ... the on-field contributions are clearly not his primary role. So the Sox aren't really overloaded at those spots. Keppinger too is clearly not a starting player and Gillespie is no great shakes. So a 3B platoon and a DH platoon I suppose. Of course Keppinger is about 150 PA from not being a major-leaguer anymore.

It's the vet leader position. I agree it seems silly to have 2 guys plus Abreu who aren't exactly versatile in the field but it seems no sillier than the Indians paying Giambi to take 200 PA again and substantially less silly (from a baseball perspective) than whatever the Yanks are paying Jeter.
   29. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: December 04, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4610748)
Of course Keppinger is about 150 PA from not being a major-leaguer anymore.

Keppinger is owed $8.5 million over the next two years, so (sadly) one expects that he will be allowed a few extra coils of rope with which to hang himself.
   30. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: December 04, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4610751)
#27:

He's done it a number of times to Juan Uribe. Like when he said that Uribe's deking of a Cubs at SS on a flyball to right in (I think) 2005 was a "classless" move.

Or when he said that Royce Clayton was the best SS he ever played with.

He was also caught mic'ed up in the 2005 ALCS telling an Angels coach who complimented Contreras "Watch, he'll do something stupid now, you'll see."

And of course there was the time he intimated that Frank was milking an injury during spring training during the annual Jerry Manual acts like an utter jackass fiasco

Me personally: not a big fan of Konerko's leadership.

edit: sources

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=50745&page=12
http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=52230&page=8
   31. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 04, 2013 at 06:21 PM (#4610763)
It's the vet leader position. I agree it seems silly to have 2 guys plus Abreu who aren't exactly versatile in the field but it seems no sillier than the Indians paying Giambi to take 200 PA again and substantially less silly (from a baseball perspective) than whatever the Yanks are paying Jeter.


The Indians had at least some offense to carry Giambi's pathetic bat. If you want to take a completely pessimistic look at the Sox (Avi Garcia doesn't develop, Abreu is completely overmatched), there's a decent chance that not one hitter will end up with an OPS+ over 100.

I wasn't expecting the Sox to compete next year, but it seems like this move was meant to appease... I don't even know. Some columnists I guess?
   32. madvillain Posted: December 04, 2013 at 06:34 PM (#4610768)
@30, fair enough, although two of the instances are just much ado about nothing. I do remember the Frank thing, and that was a stupid ass comment.

I don't really like Konerko personally. I appreciate what he's done but he's an aesthetically awful player, and a awful player in general now. He is part of the "old guard" from the 2005 team that was less than welcoming of new faces into the clubhouse, at least from from the scuttlebutt around the Sox internets.

I just hope Hawk doesn't talk about his mansion in Scottsdale too much this year.
   33. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 04, 2013 at 06:54 PM (#4610777)
So he's only 6 total bases behind the Big Hurt, despite trailing him by 22 HR's?

Pauly Konerko, doubles machine.

Actually Thomas has him in doubles too. His advantage is singles. Oh, and Thomas has him by almost 600 walks.
Thomas  8603 PA 1230 1B 447 2B 11 3B 448 HR 1466 BB
Konerko 9034 PA 1416 1B 398 2B  8 3B 427 HR  894 BB 
   34. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: December 04, 2013 at 07:43 PM (#4610815)
32:

I would agree it isn't a huge deal, but it does sort of disspel the notion that Konerko would never pop off about a teammate to the press, no?
   35. madvillain Posted: December 04, 2013 at 07:51 PM (#4610821)
but it does sort of disspel the notion that Konerko would never pop off about a teammate to the press, no?


If that's the worst you can pull out of 17 years in the bigs, 3 incidents, 2 of which are nothing at all, then sure "never" isn't correct-- let's go with "highly unlikely"

As I said, I'm hardly a Konerko fan, just don't think he's a guy you worry about talking ish to the press. I'm more worried about him sulking, as he's prone to do, if he's not getting even a sniff a playing time into late July.
   36. asinwreck Posted: December 05, 2013 at 12:11 PM (#4611110)
If the White Sox want to waste a roster spot on an old guy who cannot play anymore, why not give it to Minnie Minoso? At least he'll seem to have fun, and he's a better bet to provide defensive value than Konerko.
   37. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: December 06, 2013 at 02:50 AM (#4611696)
He should play against every left-hander, obviously, and I think there's about a 50/50 chance he'd be better than Dunn straight up. Wouldn't be shocked in the least to see Konerko bounce back to something close to his 2012 level and that's better than Dunn can do.

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