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Paul Zeise: The Pirates front office looks foolish — yet again | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I’m sure they don’t believe they are smarter than everyone. I’m pretty sure, though, they know they are smarter than Paul Zeise.

The Pirates are within striking distance of a wild-card berth with an exciting young pitching staff, and there is a strong chance they will finish the season with a winning record for the fourth time in 25 years.

These are the things fans and media should be talking about; instead, they are talking about biometric data, Clay Holmes and Casey Sadler. The thing is, the Pirates have nobody to blame for the disconnect but themselves, for the same reason as always: They are condescending and truly believe they are smarter than everyone else. They really think they have magical, cutting-edge analytical formulas that nobody else in baseball has, and that anyone who questions them just doesn’t understand.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:33 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 14, 2018 at 04:34 PM (#5726752)
I thought it'd be about Glasnow.
   2. Kiguchi Posted: August 14, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5726778)
I thought it'd be about the PTBN in the Archer deal.
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 14, 2018 at 05:15 PM (#5726790)
I’m sure they don’t believe they are smarter than everyone.


"I know if I were a pitcher, I’d be paying us to come pitch here." - Neal Huntington, 2015
   4. The Duke Posted: August 14, 2018 at 05:57 PM (#5726823)
First time I’ve heard they are super smart or think highly of themselves. I would think you’d need to win more to be thought of like that.
   5. bfan Posted: August 14, 2018 at 06:34 PM (#5726862)
First time I’ve heard they are super smart or think highly of themselves. I would think you’d need to win more to be thought of like that.


Well, to their credit, their win per payroll expense over the last 3 to 5 years is pretty good.

It is funny how differently GM's are judged, based upon the franchise they lead. For a Yankee GM, squeezing out a couple of more wins, no matter what the additional cost, to win a division or a WS, is what matters. I feel like for about half the league, fielding a competitive team with a payroll that is among the lower in the league defines a real winner in the GM beauty contest. Of course, under those standards, Dayton Moore is god-like, so that cannot be correct.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: August 14, 2018 at 07:31 PM (#5726883)
From the excerpt, I assumed Holmes and Sadler were back-office data nerds. They're actual major-league pitchers although one suspects that adjective won't apply for long ... in fact it seems that neither is currently in the majors. Holmes is a 25-year-old starter who was having a solid but unspectacular AAA season then walked the ballpark in 15 innings in the majors. Sadler is a 27-year-old reliever who was having a solid but unspectacular AAA season then got knocked around a bit in his ... wait for it ... 4 innings in the majors.

Sadler appears to have been your standard "we need bullpen innings right now!" sort of call-up as he pitched 1 lousy inning on Aug 9 and 3.1 lousy innings on Aug 10 then was back down. Holmes has been similar. He made on relief appearance on Apr 6, then one on June 24. 10 days later he made a start (against the Dodgers, not good). Ten days after that he started G2 of a DH and did well. 4 weeks after that, he got shelled again.

So ... am I to surmise that the writer asked somebody on the Pirates why they called up "crappy" pitchers he'd never heard of and, instead of saying "it should be obvious that we were so desperate for innings from somebody healthy that we threw what we had out there," said something like "he has good swing and miss rates" or "he has good spin on his curve" or ... well I can't even think what "biometric" data they might reference, something about arm speed?
   7. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 14, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5726909)
I hesitate to actually click on the link, but recent discussion on Pirate sites has been that Holmes got a start on Friday because the team had been in Denver and they wanted to give all the starters an extra day of rest after pitching at altitude. I assume that's the biometric data mentioned above.

Pirates have managed to work their roster around so they only have three outfielders, the same as much of last year. They also have three catchers.
   8. Pirate Joe Posted: August 14, 2018 at 08:56 PM (#5726912)
So ... am I to surmise that the writer asked somebody on the Pirates why they called up "crappy" pitchers he'd never heard of and, instead of saying "it should be obvious that we were so desperate for innings from somebody healthy that we threw what we had out there," said something like "he has good swing and miss rates" or "he has good spin on his curve" or ... well I can't even think what "biometric" data they might reference, something about arm speed?



The issue is that the Pirates added a 6th starter (Holmes) to the rotation last week because the Pirates' previous series was in Colorado, and there are members of the Pirates' front office who claimed that they needed to do that because pitching in Colorado is so tough that it screws up the pitcher's next start, so the pitcher needs extra rest to be at his best. They claimed that they have some sort of "biometric" data that shows this to be true, but of course they are not sharing what exactly that information might be.

The thing about it (or, OK, one of the things) is that the week before the Pirates played in Colorado they had a week with off days on both Monday and Thursday and they were also off yesterday, so during a stretch where the Pirates played 12 games in 15 days they claimed that they had some evidence that their starters needed even more time off. This time through the rotation all the Pirates' starters are pitching on six days rest.


Of course had it worked and Holmes pitched OK no one would have said a word. But Holmes bombed, and then they brought in Sadler and needed him to eat innings to the point where they batted him twice against the Giants with runners in scoring position in a game they ended up losing by three runs, even though he wasn't pitching well either.

   9. Walt Davis Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:30 AM (#5726976)
Back in old Diamond Mind days, I always added an extra reliever for a Coors series ... didn't occur to me (or DM as far as I know) to give the starters an extra day of rest.
   10. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:42 AM (#5726981)
didn't occur to me (or DM as far as I know) to give the starters an extra day of rest.

Surely the pallid-bluish hue of their faces from hypoxia gave you a hint??
   11. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5727057)
First time I’ve heard they are super smart or think highly of themselves. I would think you’d need to win more to be thought of like that.


They got every popular and successful team in baseball to send them free money in perpetuity. Of course they think they're geniuses. If you're so smart why isn't everyone in your field of work sending you free money?
   12. bunyon Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5727071)
I assume that's the biometric data mentioned above.


This guy's dead.

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