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Thursday, November 19, 2009

Pawlikowski: Is Johnny Damon really that bad on defense?

More to the point…was Jackie Gleason really that bad doing The Funky Broadway? These are today’s tough questions that MUST be answered!

The other aspect of RZR is OOZ, plays made out of the player’s zone. This is an important aspect. Players might be able to make all the plays within his zone, but it takes a very good fielder to make plays on balls outside his zone. Crawford is king in this stat, making 105 plays outside his territory. DeJesus follows, and Braun ranks fourth. Again, this will open the number to criticism. In any case, Damon ranks 11th in this stat, making 46 plays out of his zone. The only players below him with 1,000 or more innings in left field are Garret Anderson, Raul Ibanez, and Chris Coghlan.

It appears that any way we look at it, Johnny Damon was not a good fielder in 2009. This came as a surprise during the season, since Damon was so good in left field just a year before. We know, however, that certain skills decline with age, and by most measures Damon’s fielding range dropped off a cliff. This is no guarantee that he’ll continue to patrol the outfield poorly in 2010, but given his age it’s not wise to predict a turnaround.

The best we can hope for, I think, is that some component of UZR unfairly judged Damon, and that fan sentiment towards his defense was skewed by a few egregious plays early in the season. RZR didn’t think that poorly of Damon in 2009, and I thought that while his range wasn’t quite what I remembered it, it wasn’t as bad as the general perception. Damon is no longer a superior defensive outfielder, but I think that given an opportunity to start 75, 80 percent of games, he can patrol his position serviceably in 2010.

Repoz Posted: November 19, 2009 at 02:40 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cpass Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:00 PM (#3391111)
What Pawilikowski is really missing is that this isn't exactly sudden. UZR doesn't exist before 2002, but Damon's numbers have been negative every year after 2002. Some component of UZR didn't suddenly unfairly judge him. Couple that with an arm that's always been lousy and he's becoming a bit of a defensive liability...not as bad as some, but certainly not the defender the Yankees have always made him out to be.
   2. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:04 PM (#3391121)
Pawlikowski is arguing that UZR had him as a pretty big plus in left field in both 2007 and 2008 (it was centerfield that was dragging down his overall numbers) before he absolutely cratered in left this season. That's a little surprising.
   3. standuptriple Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3391122)
Do any defensive metrics count arm strength, times challenged or extra bases taken? He's got to have one of the lowest assist figures per attempt of all OFers.
   4. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:09 PM (#3391128)
Do any defensive metrics count arm strength, times challenged or extra bases taken? He's got to have one of the lowest assist figures per attempt of all OFers.

What about George Bell? Is he the guy Bill James talks about as having ZERO baserunner kills for his entire career?
   5. Randy Jones Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:12 PM (#3391132)
Doesn't UZR include an arm rating? And hasn't MGL said that basically all OF'ers fall between -3 and +3 runs per 150 games for that arm rating?
   6. RJ in TO Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:13 PM (#3391135)
What about George Bell? Is he the guy Bill James talks about as having ZERO baserunner kills for his entire career?


Bell had some baserunner kills, although nowhere near as many as his buddies in the OF. What Bill James talks about with him was how his errors never seemed to actually cost his team (or at least, when they did, they were outweighed by his immediate offensive contributions).
   7. RJ in TO Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:14 PM (#3391137)
Pawlikowski: Is Johnny Damon really that bad on defense?


Does anyone else want to make a joke comparing Damon to the French at the beginning of WW2? Because I do.

This site has been sadly lacking in pointless Hitler references lately.
   8. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3391142)
Bell had some baserunner kills, although nowhere near as many as his buddies in the OF. What Bill James talks about with him was how his errors never seemed to actually cost his team (or at least, when they did, they were outweighed by his immediate offensive contributions).


I think James spoke of Bell's errors either not resulting in a run, or not resulting in a run in a game the Jays lost. For three years running.
   9. RJ in TO Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3391148)
I think James spoke of Bell's errors either not resulting in a run, or not resulting in a run in a game the Jays lost. For three years running.


That sounds about right. I don't have the book in front of me at the moment.
   10. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3391152)
That sounds about right. I don't have the book in front of me at the moment.

Too busy translating Mein Kampf into French, huh?
   11. RJ in TO Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3391156)
Too busy translating Mein Kampf into French, huh?


I prefer his lesser known second work, Mein Kitten.
   12. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3391163)
I am reminded of a haiku I read a couple years ago, source long forgotten.

Ground ball to Damon
Here comes the throw to the plate!
bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce
   13. Greg Schuler Posted: November 19, 2009 at 05:44 PM (#3391200)
Did I miss something? Was Damon embarking on a massive re-armament campaign and looking to turn the Belgian countryside into a morass instead of the French countryside? Or did he over-estimate the vehicle blocking capabilities of the Ardennes?
   14. Double-Spin Mechanic Posted: November 19, 2009 at 06:06 PM (#3391229)
This site has been sadly lacking in pointless Hitler references lately.


The people prone to doing so got their way last November.
   15. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 19, 2009 at 07:13 PM (#3391317)
The people prone to doing so got their way last November.


And with predictable results. The latest being the lunacy of giving Khalid Sheikh Mohammed constitutional rights and trying him in civilian court, with all the circus and insanity that will follow, all while pretending that the trial will show the virtues of our justice system even though everyone knows the trial will be a farce since he'll never be set free even if he were to be acquitted.

Irresponsibility knows no bounds, as far as Obama is concerned.

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