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Sunday, January 25, 2009

Pedroia’s Brother Accused Of Child Molestation

Major League Baseball MVP Dustin Pedroia’s brother faces accusations of child molestation in Yolo County.

Brett Pedroia, 29, turned himself in to Woodland police on Jan. 9. According to an arrest report, he’s suspected of oral copulation and lewd acts with a child under 14.

Brett Pedroia was booked and later released on $50,000 bail. He was working in his family’s tire store Saturday, but he said he had no comment.

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   1. Esoteric Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:22 PM (#3060034)
Well there certainly isn't anything funny to say about this.

But I will note the humorous advertisements this thread draws: 1.) Free Sex Offender Report 2.) #1 Law Of A Perfect Body 3.) 2009 Ford Edge Child Safety.
   2. robinred Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:27 PM (#3060038)
Well there certainly isn't anything funny to say about this.


Something tells me that won't stop some folks from trying. kevin's departure from the BTF scene may alter how this thread plays out. Then again, it may not.
   3. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:28 PM (#3060039)
Why is this up and the Jason Varitek info not?
   4. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:33 PM (#3060044)
According to The Daily Democrat (Woodland's local paper), the alleged incidents occurred over 4 years ago. He's charged with two counts of oral copulation and and two counts of committing lewd acts with a child between the ages of 10 and 14. Hearing is scheduled for Wed, Feb 4 at the Yolo County Courthouse.

When I was living in Davis several years ago, I got called to jury duty and got interviewed by the judge and lawyers. The case was about a guy who was accused of sexually abusing his two stepdaughters--I got excused when I told the defense attorney that I thought it highly unlikely that two teenage girls would make up a story like that. On my way out, I chatted with a bailiff who said that a huge percentage of Yolo County felonies were child molestation cases. Which I guess makes sense, because outside Davis and Woodland, it's a pretty rural county.


EDIT: To clarify, I didn't mean to imply that people who live in rural areas are any more likely to molest children than their urban counterparts. Rather, that a larger percentage of serious crimes committed in rural areas tend to be domestic in nature.
   5. RJ in TO Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:35 PM (#3060046)
Well there certainly isn't anything funny to say about this.

Something tells me that won't stop some folks from trying.


How about this one:

Oral copulation and lewd acts? Sounds like Dustin's not the only one in his family who knows how to turn a double play.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I have to go book that plane ticket to hell.
   6. TVerik Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:36 PM (#3060047)
Pedroia is in a terribly-produced tire commercial, airing on NESN. I wonder if that's his family's tire store?
   7. Cris E Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:36 PM (#3060048)
I'm still seeing Doritos next to Rachael Ray's stomach fat ad.

Here's a token attempt at funny: Well the tire store got a mention, so some good came of this.
   8. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:38 PM (#3060049)
#6...No, that's Sullivan Tire, a locally (Boston) owned business.
   9. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:39 PM (#3060050)
kevin's departure from the BTF scene may alter how this thread plays out.

I had the same thought.
   10. Esoteric Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:39 PM (#3060051)
Google Ads still has the three I mentioned. On the right sidebar I get an even more perverse selection: "Barbie Child's Heads-Up Vest" and other assorted girl's clothing from Shopping.com.

Oh dear, internet advertising can be so tastelessly juxtaposed sometimes.
   11. The Artist Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:41 PM (#3060052)
Cmon, is this really baseball news?
   12. robinred Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:42 PM (#3060053)
My first sidebar ad:

Jeff Anderson & Associates
Representing victims of abuse by clergy


***
   13. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:45 PM (#3060057)
On my way out, I chatted with a bailiff who said that a huge percentage of Yolo County felonies were child molestation cases. Which I guess makes sense, because outside Davis and Woodland, it's a pretty rural county.

Is the contention that child abuse is more common in the rural areas? Which flies in the face of the research that I have read where there is discernible difference between the respective rates of abuse. Both are too high.........

Edit:

Posted while the author was modifying the original post.
   14. Cris E Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:46 PM (#3060058)
Yeah, the abuse attorney ads are showing up now too. Good to see Google is staying on top of this.
   15. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:50 PM (#3060061)
The ads are great. I'm a little disturbed that the ad knows that my child is at risk. This concerns me greatly as I was unaware that I had any children.

I am intrigued however, to discover what the martial artists and the army don't want me to know.
   16. aleskel Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:54 PM (#3060064)
I'm getting ads for KitchenAid housewares and a free IQ test

I ... I don't know what that means
   17. bunyon Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:56 PM (#3060068)
Man, the season can't start soon enough. The Hot topics are depressing as hell right now.
   18. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 08:58 PM (#3060069)
Why is this up and the Jason Varitek info not?


He hasn't signed yet, has he? The latest I saw was that he was meeting with ownership. I don't really think that's news until something happens. As for why this is up, it's just Repoz being Repoz.
   19. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:00 PM (#3060071)
I'm getting a "John Wayne Gacy has an IQ of 125--are you smarter than John Wayne Gacy?" ad.

Best Regards

John
   20. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:02 PM (#3060073)
Well there certainly isn't anything funny to say about this.
Yeah, it's funny enough on its own.
   21. robinred Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:11 PM (#3060076)
Man, the season can't start soon enough. The Hot topics are depressing as hell right now.


That, and we also need somebody to start caving so Ramirez, Abreu, Dunn, Cruz, Hudson, Garland, et al are signed someplace.
   22. chemdoc Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:12 PM (#3060078)
Sweet Caroline...
   23. robinred Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:17 PM (#3060079)
Sweet Caroline...


I was waiting to see if someone would go for it.
   24. Shalimar Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:22 PM (#3060081)
I'm getting a "John Wayne Gacy has an IQ of 125--are you smarter than John Wayne Gacy?" ad.


They have to pull those numbers out of their arse. I stopped believing when they tried to convince me Britney Spears has an IQ of 115. I'll believe in Bigfoot before I believe her IQ is over 80.
   25. Crashburn Alley Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:29 PM (#3060088)
are you smarter than John Wayne Gacy?


Sounds like a new game show.
   26. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:33 PM (#3060092)
They have to pull those numbers out of their arse. I stopped believing when they tried to convince me Britney Spears has an IQ of 115. I'll believe in Bigfoot before I believe her IQ is over 80.
Or, just maybe, the set characteristics and aptitudes that people generally perceive as intelligence are not measured very well by the IQ test.

EDIT: And in Britney's case, the problem is psychiatric rather than anything else - she's on medication for manic depressive disorder, I believe. And either way, she's clearly been deeply messed up by fame, or dealt poorly with massive fame, however you wish to assign the agency there. It doesn't surprise me that someone who figured out how to manipulate the national media market at the age of 16 is relatively smart.

EDIT2: Here's a topic. "Toxic" is easily on the consideration list if you're thinking about the 20 best singles of the decade.
   27. Shalimar Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:36 PM (#3060094)
I agree with that, but the thing is, if you listen to Britney Spears talk for any length of time it's obvious she is completely lacking in any kind of intelligence regardless of how you choose to measure.

EDIT: She seems to have completely lost the ability to manipulate the national media market during the period between firing her manager and her recent comeback, which suggests the relatively smart one isn't her.
   28. andrewberg Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:38 PM (#3060095)
If not for inappropriately snarky comments, why would this thread exist? Are we all supposed to say, "ooh, that's so terrible," and move on? I think not. Bring on the damnation.
   29. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:40 PM (#3060096)
She seems to have completely lost the ability to manipulate the national media market during the period between firing her manager and her recent comeback, which suggests the relatively smart one isn't her.
Fair enough, but my claim is that she went crazy in the interim period. So I blame the crazy.
   30. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:40 PM (#3060097)
"Toxic" is easily on the consideration list if you're thinking about the 20 best singles of the decade.


It's definitely her best, but I don't think it's Top 20. Maybe it makes the Top 40. That TI/Rihannon (sp?) song "Live Your Life" on the other hand is Top 5. Umbrella is Top 15.
   31. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:50 PM (#3060103)
On a serious note, if these allegations are true then I really hope Brett is able to get help. Pedophilia/Hebephilia is a mental disorder as much as anything else, and I can imagine how terrible it is for someone who is afflicted with that sort of desire. It doesn't excuse actions, but just saying "evil!" and throwing away the key doesn't solve the problem. Likewise, I hope the victims get the help and strong support that they both deserve and need.

On a jokey note, I wonder if Dustin is relieved now that he can go home without having to grow a beard to look older than 12.

On a Britney note, I really think people like her and Lindsay Lohan are deeply ill served by our modern entertainment media complex, which includes their fame-seeking parents. Somehow Jessica Simpson seems to have turned out sane and at least out of trouble.
   32. GotowarMissAgnes Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:53 PM (#3060104)
It doesn't surprise me that someone who figured out how to manipulate the national media market at the age of 16 is relatively smart.

There are inanimate objects that can figure out how to manipulate the national media market. It's not even a sign of life, much less intelligence.
   33. base ball chick Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:54 PM (#3060105)
Dan Szymborski Posted: January 25, 2009 at 02:50 PM (#3060061)

The ads are great. I'm a little disturbed that the ad knows that my child is at risk. This concerns me greatly as I was unaware that I had any children.


- you done gone and left your 5 chillins in fallujah?

tsk tsk tsk

and britney spears, mental illness or no mental illness does NOT have an above average IQ
   34. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:55 PM (#3060106)
Has anyone ever read the long-form version of Klosterman's interview with Britney? It's an interesting take on her and her fame. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it does shed some light on the topic.
   35. Russ Posted: January 25, 2009 at 09:59 PM (#3060112)
Pedophilia/Hebephilia is a mental disorder as much as anything else, and I can imagine how terrible it is for someone who is afflicted with that sort of desire. It doesn't excuse actions, but just saying "evil!" and throwing away the key doesn't solve the problem.


Although television isn't always the best source of introspection, I thought there was a very well done episode of Law and Order that covered this variation in viewpoint.
   36. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:01 PM (#3060114)
What's supposed to be good about this song, this is the first time I've ever heard it in my life and I sure wish I had these 3:31 back. Also, why is she saying, "With a taste of your lips, I'm on a ride. You're toxic, constipated"

I did not like that at all.
   37. Swedish Chef Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:04 PM (#3060116)
He hasn't signed yet, has he? The latest I saw was that he was meeting with ownership. I don't really think that's news until something happens. As for why this is up, it's just Repoz being Repoz.


Rotoworld says the Red Sox has made a formal offer, with possibly a second guaranteed year. No dollar figure.
   38. base ball chick Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM (#3060119)
pedophilia is a mental disorder?

since when?

and these people can be "cured"/controlled HOW? (meaning that they are no longer sexually attracted to children)
   39. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:06 PM (#3060120)
Toxic has some of the best production of any pop music in the past decade or two. Whether it's the best single is much more widely open to debate.
   40. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:06 PM (#3060122)
In a related story, Dustin Pedroia's girlfriend was also briefly charged with child molestation, until they found out that he's 25.
   41. Swedish Chef Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM (#3060123)
pedophilia is a mental disorder?

Well, it's hardly normal and healthy, is it?

and these people can be "cured"/controlled HOW?

With a nutcracker.
   42. E., Hinske Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM (#3060125)
pedophilia is a mental disorder?

According to DSM-IV, it is.

and these people can be "cured"/controlled HOW? (meaning that they are no longer sexually attracted to children)

The thing I linked indicates that that's a big problem and that they tend to focus on relapse prevention. Obviously, the behaviour can't be condoned, and the misery for the abused is worse, but you would think that there's something to be said for trying to deal with it on a medical basis unless you're just going to lock people up for life.
   43. Kyle S at work Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:15 PM (#3060128)
You guys are using the wrong definition for "20 best singles of the decade" if such a definition can possibly encompass "Toxic." I will concede that it, like many Britney songs, is very well-produced and even catchy. That doesn't make it come close to a Top 20 single of the decade unless that list is comprised only of songs that made billboard top 5 or something.
   44. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM (#3060129)
trying to deal with it on a medical basis unless you're just going to lock people up for life.
Which is funny, because people of that nature are often locked up for life under the pretense of dealing with it in a medical way. The civil detentions (or something like that, don't recall exactly what they're called) are hugely controversial, and I know in NY at least have turned into something of a farce with people sitting around playing video games all day and not getting anything like treatment.
   45. Petuniaviles Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3060133)
I'm getting versatile child safety gate, which would be pretty sweet if it prevented abuse/molestation.
   46. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:23 PM (#3060134)
The American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) criteria for Pedophilia (302.2) are:

1. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);

2. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;

3. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.


This may change in the DSM-V due out in 2012, but yes, it is a mental illness and because of the stigma attached to it many people with it hide it, and attempt to continue their lives as normal despite being sexually attracted to children. This leads to situations when they act on their urges, which is far worse than them entering treatment and working with mental health professionals to limit the potential for contact with children. Unfortunately, at this time there is very little that can be done to "cure" pedophilia, though work is being done on cognative/behavioral therapies that will help those afflicted control their urges, as well as use of medications that decrease libido, and even more drastic actions to the point of chemical castration have been used in the past. For those with the disorder, many are transferred to long term mental health institutions after the end of their prison term and due to the inability of modern psychiatric and psychological treatments to control the disorder adequately and reliably are left there in perpetuity without any way to have anything approaching a normal life. I realize that sympathy for child molesters is a hard thing to ask- but it is a pretty horrible affliction, one I wouldn't wish upon anyone.
   47. E., Hinske Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:25 PM (#3060136)
I don't know what the hell else you can do. If you're not comfortable releasing someone from prison - and some of these guys shouldn't be released from prison - and they've served whatever penalty is the fit penalty for the crime that brought them to your attention in the first place, it doesn't really seem right to keep them locked up in prison type situations. Maybe you just keep them in a comfortable facility, with video games, forever, and consider the cost of it as being the price that people have to pay to live in a safe society that deals with people who can't live as part of that society in a somewhat humane fashion.

Of course, the civil libertarian side of me recoils in horror from this but I'm not sure that the current situation, which in many cases seems to involve marginalizing them as much as possible through laws about where they can live and whether they can open the door on Halloween, is any better, from the perspective of building a good society.
   48. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3060137)
But isn't also the case that not every child molester is a pedophile? I'm pretty sure that there is a theory out there that a lot of molesters do it not because they are sexually attracted to the child, but because they get satisfaction from exercising power over someone so helpless.
   49. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:37 PM (#3060141)
If you are looking for slick production, why not look at Hamasaki Ayumi's stuff--she actually has fought to and controls her own image. Next to her stuff, Brittany looks cheap and gimmicky.
   50. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:39 PM (#3060142)
6-4-3: That's true, so it's not cut and dried. And abuse during childhood, including verbal, physical, and sexual, increases the likelihood of abuse by the victim when they themselves are adult. But nothing can possibly get better without actually dealing with the issue. Informing people like BBC here, who seemingly scoff at the notion of child molesters being anything outside of heinous evil people, is a vital part of advancing our understanding and ability to take correct action as a society.
   51. Benji Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3060147)
I was thinking someone would have said "he should have his brother taken away" by now.
   52. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:44 PM (#3060148)
The numbers on the IQ test ads are bogus and random -- over at ESPN I actually saw 'Avg. Steelers fan IQ = 138' and 'Avg. Steelers fan IQ = 105' on successive lines in the same ad. It just picks random numbers between 100 and 140 or something. I'm surprised no celebrity has sued that company for making bogus claims about their IQ yet.
   53. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:53 PM (#3060155)
The numbers on the IQ test ads are bogus and random -- over at ESPN I actually saw 'Avg. Steelers fan IQ = 138' and 'Avg. Steelers fan IQ = 105' on successive lines in the same ad. It just picks random numbers between 100 and 140 or something. I'm surprised no celebrity has sued that company for making bogus claims about their IQ yet.

Well, most of the people that are listed would be considered public figures, so there'd have to be either recklessness or actual malice in order for a libel claim to succeed, and though the ads speech is less protected as it's commercial speech there'd have to be an applicable statute to apply against it in order to limit it. Further the public person would have to show actual damages from the advertisement. Much more fruitful would be someone relying on the IQ test's statement and then spending money on it or being harmed somehow by it, but I'm positive there'd be a legal disclaimer before people sign up or pay money that it's a just for fun thing.

Libel and Slander suits are hard as heck to win as a public figure. Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, which found this ad protected under free speech after Falwell sued for libel and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Falwell lost the libel case immediately, and lost the intentional infliction of emotional distress case because of his being a public figure and the chilling effect such a ruling would have on all speech.
   54. Swedish Chef Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:59 PM (#3060157)
Informing people like BBC here, who seemingly scoff at the notion of child molesters being anything outside of heinous evil people, is a vital part of advancing our understanding and ability to take correct action as a society.


It's a pity you can't "inform" the child molesters.
   55. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 11:22 PM (#3060165)
We can and should inform them that seeking treatment is the best possible action. And do our best to find a way that they can live in society without putting themselves and others at risk. That's a difficult thing to do, and it's not something that's done in one fell swoop. But it's something little that we can do that will help destigmatize pedophilia to the point where people are willing to admit to both themselves and others their affliction.
   56. Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: January 25, 2009 at 11:28 PM (#3060169)
are you smarter than John Wayne Gacy?

Sounds like a new game show.


You'd have to be some kind of clown to appear on that show.
   57. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: January 25, 2009 at 11:36 PM (#3060171)
Pedroia’s Brother Accused Of Child Molestation


I wonder if he's related to any Nazi war criminals or Steve Garvey.
   58. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: January 25, 2009 at 11:43 PM (#3060176)
I have a question for those who know more about the topic.

Is it important to distinguish among pedophilia and other disorders in which adults molest underage people? In Boston, the clergy abuse problem was widely identified as a problem of pedophilia but there were many instances of priests abusing teenagers. In order to confront the issue should the legal and church authorities recognize the differences?
   59. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: January 25, 2009 at 11:46 PM (#3060177)
are you smarter than John Wayne Gacy?

Sounds like a new game show.

You'd have to be some kind of clown to appear on that show.



And the prizes are to die for.
   60. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: January 26, 2009 at 12:00 AM (#3060190)
The civil detentions (or something like that, don't recall exactly what they're called) are hugely controversial, and I know in NY at least have turned into something of a farce with people sitting around playing video games all day and not getting anything like treatment.

If playing video games all day counts as a treatment for something, sign me up for that something!
   61. Crashburn Alley Posted: January 26, 2009 at 12:14 AM (#3060200)
If playing video games all day counts as a treatment for something ...


Then I'm completely immune to cancer.
   62. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 12:32 AM (#3060218)
If playing video games all day counts as a treatment for something, sign me up for that something!
Well, Biff, you can end up there. It just involves some...unpleasantness along the way.
   63. jwb Posted: January 26, 2009 at 12:35 AM (#3060221)
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   64. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 01:06 AM (#3060237)
I'm getting ads for KitchenAid housewares and a free IQ test

I ... I don't know what that means
It's all because of that infamous episode between you and the turkey baster. ;)
   65. xbhaskarx Posted: January 26, 2009 at 01:13 AM (#3060242)
Holy ****, I live in Yolo County and I got a jury summons in the mail just two days ago.
And I despise the freaking Red Sox...
Also, Pedoria.
   66. dcsmyth1 Posted: January 26, 2009 at 01:17 AM (#3060243)
Charged with "lewd acts with a child under 14".

So, did he (unwisely) have consensual sex with a willing, developed 13 yr old girl, or did he have "oral copulation" with an 8 yr old boy?

If it's the former, I wouldn't be so quick to label him a "pedophile".
   67. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 26, 2009 at 01:18 AM (#3060244)
Toxic has some of the best production of any pop music in the past decade or two. Whether it's the best single is much more widely open to debate.

I hate to admit it, but I think Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone" is a better example of produced pop music and makes for one of the best pop singles of all time.
   68. McCoy Posted: January 26, 2009 at 01:37 AM (#3060258)
Toxic was slick I'll give you that. But it wasn't catchy. It was one of Britney's more forgettable singles. Oops and Hit me were way more catchier.

I agree with RTG in that Kelly's singles is of the quality for top 10 pop single of the last 10 years.

I think Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Christina, Shania, Beyonce, Kylie Minogue, Ricky Martin, and some other pop artists would come before Toxic.
   69. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:05 AM (#3060269)
Why should it matter whether it was a boy or a girl, Duffy?

And I can't speak for anyone else, but "well-developed" or not, 13 is still really young. That's a seventh-grader. How could you mistake a seventh-grader for a high-school senior?
   70. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:10 AM (#3060270)
And if you are 25 and convincing yourself that the 13 year old with whom you are having "consensual" sex is up for it, you're fooling yourself.
   71. Robert S. Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:25 AM (#3060277)
I think "Toxic" is an interesting production. "Since U Been Gone" is a catchier, better written song, but not at all interesting to my ears. For the record, I think "Miss Independent" is still the best thing Kelly Clarkson's done. As far as I'm concerned, though, Justin Timberlake is king of this segment over the last 10 years - "Rock Your Body" is just about perfect.
   72. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:28 AM (#3060280)
According to The Daily Democrat (Woodland local paper), the victim in question was between 10-14 when the alleged assault occurred. Not sure on the gender.
   73. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:37 AM (#3060284)
Also, anybody who likes Kelly Clarkson or Britney Spears has terrible taste in music. As is their right, of course.
   74. McCoy Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:41 AM (#3060286)
Reese's peanut butter cups are no foie gras and scallops but that doesn't mean one can't enjoy them and still have an excellent palate.
   75. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:47 AM (#3060288)
Britney Spears's music isn't a peanut butter cup. It's a rock, or a dog turd, or a pile of wet leaves.

IMO.
   76. McCoy Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:55 AM (#3060290)
Pile of wet leaves


They call that salad around these parts.


Don't ask me what they call dog turd around these parts, you don't want to know.
   77. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:58 AM (#3060296)
Britney Spears sings?

I just thought burlesque was having a revival with a modern twist. Namely that it involved bad music as the background to a scantily clad female dancing/gyrating.
   78. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:59 AM (#3060298)
I just thought burlesque was having a revival with a modern twist. Namely that it involved bad music as the background to a scantily clad female dancing/gyrating.

It's come a long way since the days of your youth, when Lola Montez trod the stage.
   79. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 26, 2009 at 02:59 AM (#3060299)
Justin Timberlake is king of this segment over the last 10 years - "Rock Your Body" is just about perfect.

For a song that I absolutely despised when it first came out I have to admit that it is UNBELIEVABLY catchy. I've learned to appreciate it for what it is.
   80. depletion Posted: January 26, 2009 at 03:04 AM (#3060303)
Not baseball news.
   81. McCoy Posted: January 26, 2009 at 03:06 AM (#3060304)
I just thought burlesque was having a revival with a modern twist. Namely that it involved bad music as the background to a scantily clad female dancing/gyrating.

I take it you were not a big fan of Josephine Baker when she came to America then.


edit: damn, beaten to the punch and by an even older women too.
   82. Tuque Posted: January 26, 2009 at 03:10 AM (#3060305)
If playing video games all day counts as a treatment for something, sign me up for that something!

When I had major head surgery this was pretty much the recovery plan. And it wasn't really worth it, partially because the combination of Metroid Prime and the various drugs they gave me resulted in a creeping sense of unease, occasionally bordering on outright paranoid terror.

Wind Waker was fun though.
   83. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 04:17 AM (#3060324)
Hey Ya by Andre3000 was pretty pitch perfect too, to the point that my 53 year old mother has it on her ipod.
   84. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 04:37 AM (#3060333)
pedophilia is a mental disorder?

According to DSM-IV, it is.
Big deal. The DSM is slightly below phrenology on the scientific scale.

Basically, any behavior that potentially leads to problems in the actor's life is reconceptualized by the psychiatric community as a "mental disorder," but that's just a label; it has no substance behind it.
   85. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 04:46 AM (#3060336)
10-14 years olds, dude.
   86. Crispix Attacks Posted: January 26, 2009 at 04:49 AM (#3060338)
Of course pedophilia is a mental disorder. And if you think people like Ted Haggard are torn between their inborn urges toward homosexuality and their irrational religious beliefs that such urges are sent by the devil to tempt them toward destruction and sin, just imagine how hard daily life for someone with inborn urges toward pedophilia is...since their urges really are destructive in an objective sense, as well as illegal, if acted upon.
   87. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: January 26, 2009 at 05:09 AM (#3060350)
10-14 years olds, dude.

I'm disappointed that it took this long for a Lebowski reference. And that I didn't think of making it.
   88. Tripon Posted: January 26, 2009 at 05:22 AM (#3060355)

Of course pedophilia is a mental disorder. And if you think people like Ted Haggard are torn between their inborn urges toward homosexuality and their irrational religious beliefs that such urges are sent by the devil to tempt them toward destruction and sin, just imagine how hard daily life for someone with inborn urges toward pedophilia is...since their urges really are destructive in an objective sense, as well as illegal, if acted upon.


Did you just call homosexuality a mental disorder?
   89. Crispix Attacks Posted: January 26, 2009 at 05:27 AM (#3060358)
No, I called pedophilia a mental disorder.
   90. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 05:31 AM (#3060359)
Homosexuality isn't a mental disorder because the APA voted not to call it one; before that, it was. If that's science, I'm Kevin.
   91. yb125 Posted: January 26, 2009 at 05:42 AM (#3060363)
I think what he was saying is that if we tend to accept the pain that living the the homosexual closet does to someone, then living in the pedophilia closet is much much worst, cause the taboo is stronger and you really are hurting people with your actions.
   92. Lassus Posted: January 26, 2009 at 05:47 AM (#3060365)
Homosexuality isn't a mental disorder because the APA voted not to call it one; before that, it was. If that's science, I'm Kevin.

Having nothing to do with homosexuality, I'm confused by this statement then, regarding who - if anyone - you consider the authority on mental disorders.
   93. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 26, 2009 at 06:16 AM (#3060372)
Having nothing to do with homosexuality, I'm confused by this statement then, regarding who - if anyone - you consider the authority on mental disorders. Do they exist at all?
My quarrel is not with the APA as a group, but with their entire conceptualization of mental disorders. Let's suppose that society decided that adult sex with children was not a bad thing, that as a result laws against it were repealed and the stigma mostly disappeared. At that point, pedophilia would cease to be a "mental disorder" by the APA's methodology.
   94. Lassus Posted: January 26, 2009 at 06:30 AM (#3060374)
I do understand your point, David, but my confusion remains - is there anyone who you would take as authority on mental disorders? I'd have to look further into the APA but I have little doubt they rely on a mountain of data. Much like any data, it would be continually disagreed with and challenged and a bell curve emerges based on this data.

Is there anyone you would trust other than, er, yourself, I guess, to decide who has a mental disorder or what constitutes one?
   95. PreservedFish Posted: January 26, 2009 at 06:31 AM (#3060376)
Also, anybody who likes Kelly Clarkson or Britney Spears has terrible taste in music. As is their right, of course.


There is a stage in advanced rock-snobbery where one will attempt to discuss the merits of over-produced top 40 music dispassionately or even with seemingly unjustified reverence. Note that this is different from taking an ironic or contrarian position.
   96. Portia Stanke Posted: January 26, 2009 at 06:49 AM (#3060379)
My quarrel is not with the APA as a group, but with their entire conceptualization of mental disorders. Let's suppose that society decided that adult sex with children was not a bad thing, that as a result laws against it were repealed and the stigma mostly disappeared. At that point, pedophilia would cease to be a "mental disorder" by the APA's methodology.


Any psychologist worth her salt will point out that mental disorders are social constructs that describe maladaptive behaviors. What is or is not maladaptive changes depending on the society and who's writing the manual (see homosexuality).
   97. StillFlash Posted: January 26, 2009 at 09:23 AM (#3060396)
I'm a Steelers fan and my IQ is 148

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