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Wednesday, March 12, 2014

Pete Rose at Christ’s Church of the Valley

To be interviewed by Senior Pastor, Brian Jones: Cool Calm and Collection Basket.

This year marks the 25th anniversary of Rose’s banishment from the game as well as the 10th anniversary of his admission of guilt. Yet, while players who took performance-enhancing drugs have been welcomed back to the game, Pete still remains an outcast. As someone who preaches weekly about the need for “second chances,” Brian Jones believes that it’s time Pete was offered one.

“We’ve all made decisions we wish we could take back. When we make mistakes there are consequences for our actions. Pete Rose is somebody who has admitted his mistake, has come clean with what he did, and I truly believe his debt has been paid,” said Jones. “It’s time for baseball to give Pete Rose a second chance.”

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   1. GregQ Posted: March 12, 2014 at 05:17 PM (#4670569)
Was it bingo night?
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: March 12, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4670572)
My church has an annual Las Vegas night. Perhaps CCotV does too.
   3. Bug Selig Posted: March 12, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4670577)
Prove it, Brian. Give him the keys to your home, church, office, and safe.

Didn't think so.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 12, 2014 at 05:38 PM (#4670584)
Lisa : Boy, mom sure will be happy you won 50 dollars.
Homer : You'd think that wouldn't you? But you see, Lisa, your mother has this crazy idea that gambling is wrong, even though they say it's OK in the bible.
Lisa : Really? Where?
Homer : Uhh ... somewhere in the back.
   5. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 12, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4670610)
"And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles." Acts 1:26.

The Bible is cool with games of chance. They used one to decide who would replace Judas. Certainly the almighty is cool with me using one to decide if I get to keep this hundred bucks.
   6. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: March 12, 2014 at 07:26 PM (#4670633)
They used one to decide who would replace Judas.


Wouldn't surprise me if that's how Ron Wood ended up in the Stones.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: March 12, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4670638)
Pete Rose is somebody who has admitted his mistake

Well, kinda.

has come clean with what he did

Well, kinda.

and I truly believe his debt has been paid

Fair enough.

“It’s time for baseball to give Pete Rose a second chance.”

But there are lots of ways for Rose to take a second chance, even involving baseball. Go coach little league or high school or volunteer hitting coach at U Cincy or something. Do the Lord's work and help the Italian or Israeli baseball teams.
   8. Moeball Posted: March 12, 2014 at 07:52 PM (#4670643)
Yet, while players who took performance-enhancing drugs have been welcomed back to the game


Umm...first of all, using steroids slightly different than gambling on games...second of all, I don't exactly see Palmeiro, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, etc. as having really been warmly "welcomed" back to the game.

The Giants are doing their experiment with Bonds as spring hitting coach - I'll be in Phoenix this weekend to see them play to see how that's going. Wouldn't exactly say Barry's been "welcomed" back in to the fold, however.
   9. Rough Carrigan Posted: March 12, 2014 at 09:18 PM (#4670673)
Was there any doubt that eventually Pete would find Pascal's Wager irresistible?
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 12, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4670687)

The Bible is cool with games of chance. They used one to decide who would replace Judas.


Pete won $200 on Jonah being the one chosen for the whale.
   11. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 12, 2014 at 10:19 PM (#4670695)
[8] McGwire is a hitting coach. Also, plenty of guys have tested positive and gotten subsequent contracts.
   12. jobu Posted: March 13, 2014 at 12:24 AM (#4670715)
But when is he speaking at the Church of the Poison Mind?
   13. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 13, 2014 at 12:43 AM (#4670719)
But when is he speaking at the Church of the Poison Mind?


Oh Boy, George Foster would just dig that.
   14. Gonfalon B. Posted: March 13, 2014 at 02:30 AM (#4670724)
Karma chameleon's a bitch.
   15. tgg33 Posted: March 13, 2014 at 04:36 AM (#4670739)
Umm...first of all, using steroids slightly different than gambling on games

You're right. One directly impacts the outcome of games, and the other has a sliver of a chance at doing the same.
   16. Harlond Posted: March 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4670835)
One directly impacts the outcome of games, and the other has a sliver of a chance at doing the same
One involves players trying to win, the other, not so much.
   17. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4670886)
If you bet on yourself to win you're sure as hell going to try hard. The "side-bet" between boxers was such an integral part of ensuring a level fight that it was actually a mandated requirement for many promoters at the turn of the 19th century. Jack Dempsey's legendary thrashing of champion Jess Willard in 1919 was at least party due to Jack's manager informing him before the opening bell that he had bet $10,000 at 10-1 odds that Jack could finish Willard, never before even knocked down, in the first round.
   18. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: March 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4670900)
But, as has been pointed out many times, baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. You bet on yourself today, and you are incentivized to win today, to the detriment of your ability to win tomorrow.
   19. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 13, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4670902)
But, as has been pointed out many times, baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. You bet on yourself today, and you are incentivized to win today, to the detriment of your ability to win tomorrow.


That's definitely a bigger issue for a manager than a player. There isn't much a player can do today that will hamper his ability to win tomorrow.
   20. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: March 13, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4670915)
Was there any doubt that eventually Pete would find Pascal's Wager irresistible?


Einstein, Pascal, and Isaac Newton are playing hide-and-seek. It is Albert's turn to seek. He covers his eyes and begins to count to 100. Pascal dashes into the woods. Isaac takes out a piece of chalk and draws a square, one meter by one meter and stands in side it. Einstein opens his eyes, sees isaac next to him and says "I found you." Isaac says, "No, you found a Newton over a square meter. Therefore, you found Pascal."
   21. winnipegwhip Posted: March 13, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4670963)
Pete's got a tip on the running of the four horses.
   22. winnipegwhip Posted: March 13, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4670965)
Lisa : Boy, mom sure will be happy you won 50 dollars.
Homer : You'd think that wouldn't you? But you see, Lisa, your mother has this crazy idea that gambling is wrong, even though they say it's OK in the bible.
Lisa : Really? Where?
Homer : Uhh ... somewhere in the back.


BEST EPISODE EVER!
   23. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: March 13, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4670970)
We're cycling back into the Pete Rose Apolgia alignment, aren't we? Just let the guy die unloved, please?

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