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Sunday, October 22, 2017

Petriello: Bregman’s split-second call preserves shutout

With apologies to Judge, this is the defensive play everyone not named Sterling and Suzyn will remember.

...Given the risk involved, and the fact that Bregman was already facing home plate and would have needed to turn his body to throw back to second, he made the right decision.

That’s in part because of past experience. Speaking to FS1’s postgame show, Bregman referenced a similar opportunity against the Angels on Sept. 24, except that time, he did try for two. It didn’t go well, as he got the runner at second but not the hitter, and the run scored. The Astros lost that game, 7-5.

“Ten games before the end of the regular season, we had a similar play, and I tried to turn a double play and we didn’t get the guy at first base,” Bregman said. “I told myself, and I talked to [manager A.J. Hinch and bench coach Alex Cora], we thought in the playoffs in a close game, it would be smart to try and get the lead runner. We were fortunate enough to put it on the cash, and McCann made a great tag.”

Stormy JE Posted: October 22, 2017 at 09:11 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: alcs, alex bregman, astros, great grab, great throw, yankees

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   1. Baldrick Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:48 AM (#5560098)
I'd say he made the wrong decision, but executed perfectly. Either way, it was an awesome play to watch.
   2. perros Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5560113)
No way Sanchez completes that play.
   3. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:40 PM (#5560115)
It was a truly marvelous defensive play, that throw could not have been better placed and it needed to be right there in order to get the out.

Of course, Judge's homer saving grab was also really impressive.
   4. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:45 PM (#5560117)
First: The Bird is The Word.

Second: The Bird is as slow as the change of seasons.

Third: Christ, what an awful slide. The slightest bit of nous and he would have been safe.
   5. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 22, 2017 at 01:51 PM (#5560136)
I don’t think it was a bad slide. I think going in straight and as quickly as possible was as good an option as he was likely to have. That’s not a play like throws from the outfield where you have the on deck hitter able to be in position to tell you what is happening and some time to adjust to what the catcher is doing. It was all very quick and just trying to beat it wasn’t a bad play.

This series had some terrific defense in general. Both teams slung some leather.
   6. Bote Man Posted: October 22, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5560139)
Second: The Bird is as slow as the change of seasons.

Perhaps you missed the post in the UNICHATTER last night reporting that StatCast clocked Bird at the fastest of all season or something good like that. So he turned on the afterburners on that run home.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 22, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5560140)
Might have been coincidence, but I thought Bird made a smart play by running inside the baseline to make the throw a bit more challenging, even if it didn't hit him in the back. He's not Molina-slow, but he's not fast and just happened to be barely out a few times that mattered. Bad luck more than anythring.

Bird demonstrating that he's quite capable when healthy only ranks behind the emergence of Judge & Severino as 2017 developments suggesting next season could also be a special one.
   8. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 22, 2017 at 03:57 PM (#5560151)
Of course, Judge's homer saving grab was also really impressive.
It was an absolutely fantastic catch, but that ball wasn't going out. See this link, wait for the CF camera angle around the 1:00 minute mark.
   9. , Posted: October 22, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5560154)
Here is as good a place as any to put it. For a variety of personal reasons, I wasn't very connected to this baseball season. I knew Judge had hit 52 homers but he K'd a lot and I thought I had an idea of what type of a player he would be when I finally got a chance to watch him. I was wrong. He's a great athlete and a lot of fun to watch. I hope he can continue to improve at the plate.
   10. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5560161)
Perhaps you missed the post in the UNICHATTER last night reporting that StatCast clocked Bird at the fastest of all season or something good like that. So he turned on the afterburners on that run home.


Nope, I saw that.

Just because he made his slow the fastest it could be, doesn't mean his slow was fast.

Boy is slooooooooooooooooooow ... doesn't mean I don't love him ... if he stays healthy next season, he's going to rake.
   11. eric Posted: October 22, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5560166)
The slide was awful. He slid right into the catcher's mitt, which was inside home plate, and his leg was curling back to the point that even if the catcher hadn't had the ball Bird would have taken just about the most time possible to finally actually touch home plate.

That said, with such a perfect throw and a catcher who can actually catch throws home, I think if Bird had slid optimally with his lead foot directly to the outside part of home plate, he still would have been out because the catcher would have just had to move his glove barely more than a foot, so it's all irrelevant anyways.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 22, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5560171)
I knew Judge had hit 52 homers but he K'd a lot and I thought I had an idea of what type of a player he would be when I finally got a chance to watch him. I was wrong. He's a great athlete and a lot of fun to watch. I hope he can continue to improve at the plate.

That would be kind of scary, right? Judge spent 3 months as the best player in MLB, then went into a 6-week slump, before finishing with his best month of the season, playing like an inner-circle Hall of Famer. Mitigating that slump, even partially, produces quite a season. We'll know more a few years down the road, but Judge may be the most impressive MLB debut since Trout or Pujols came along. Looking forward to 2018.
   13. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 05:29 PM (#5560176)
That play was just amazing. I don't think there was any way Bird could've beaten that play.
   14. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 22, 2017 at 05:44 PM (#5560180)
Bird's planting his foot right into McCann's wrist is what got him out BUT it was also a good idea if you are hoping to dislodge the ball during the tag. In the slow mo you can see he REALLY steps on his wrist hard by the end.

I can't believe it worked for the Astros, and I'm surprised McCann didn't end up with an injury.
   15. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: October 22, 2017 at 05:52 PM (#5560184)
It was an absolutely fantastic catch, but that ball wasn't going out. See this link, wait for the CF camera angle around the 1:00 minute mark.


Yep. Crystal clear to us non-partisans in last night's chatter.
   16. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 22, 2017 at 06:14 PM (#5560191)
Yep. Crystal clear to us non-partisans in last night's chatter.
To be fair I think from every other angle it was difficult to tell, and it was quite a while before that angle was up anywhere I could see online. (Don't know if or how often they showed it on the broadcast.)
   17. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 09:18 PM (#5560220)
Game 1 of the World Series presented by YouTube TV.

Christ Jesus, the World Series is also subject to the naked cash grab of a "presenting sponsor"?

Barf.
   18. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 08:24 AM (#5560251)
Yep. Crystal clear to us non-partisans in last night's chatter.

Calling that link and the call crystal clear is way more partisan than anything else that's been said, even with that 1:00 mark.
   19. Boxkutter Posted: October 23, 2017 at 12:31 PM (#5560380)
If you're up by multiple runs, I think you go to second and hope to maybe turn two, but know that you can allow a run to score and keep a lead, but you're at least getting the other runner out of scoring position with the possibility of getting out of the inning. But only up by one, that was absolutely the right play to make. Good play by McCann to hold onto it and good attempt by Bird to try to knock it out without trying to steamroll McCann. Good plays all around.
   20. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: October 23, 2017 at 12:36 PM (#5560383)
Calling that link and the call crystal clear is way more partisan than anything else that's been said, even with that 1:00 mark.


Most of this has just been to give deserved #### to The Odious Yankee Clapper. Still, though, I had the correct takeaway while watching the in-game replays, so I'll allow myself these posts. Great catch, close to going over and Judge is incredibly large, but...it wasn't going to be a home run.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: October 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5560399)
If you're up by multiple runs, I think you go to second and hope to maybe turn two, but know that you can allow a run to score and keep a lead, but you're at least getting the other runner out of scoring position with the possibility of getting out of the inning.


I wasn't even thinking about the possibility of him going for two when it was hit. I figured he'd just take the out at first.

And looking at the replay, I think the most likely outcome of Bregman trying to get two would have been to get none.

   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5560432)
Christ Jesus, the World Series is also subject to the naked cash grab of a "presenting sponsor"?

Barf.


Maybe they mean it in the "airing on YouTube" sense, rather than the "sponsored by YouTube" sense?
   23. Rally Posted: October 23, 2017 at 01:47 PM (#5560441)
Just because he made his slow the fastest it could be, doesn't mean his slow was fast.


Not fast, but Bird was reported to be around 27 ft/sec. That's not slow either, it's average MLB speed.
   24. perros Posted: October 23, 2017 at 01:49 PM (#5560443)
I'll allow myself these posts.

Like you allow yourself that extra drink at lunch?

As pointed out at the time, the press corps also hyped it as a home run robbing catch.
   25. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: October 23, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5560451)
Great catch by Judge, better play at the plate.

Watching the link from #8, it sure seems in slo-mo that Judge's wrist is about ready to snap off when it hits the top of the wall there. Cringeworthy to see that, but then it's only a split second, and he seems fine. It also seemed like his glove came close to popping off into the stands, which I believe would have been a very memorable HR (particularly so considering it wouldn't have gone out without Judge altering the path).
   26. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: October 23, 2017 at 02:20 PM (#5560459)
As pointed out at the time, the press corps also hyped it as a home run robbing catch.


As pointed out at the time, they were wrong.
   27. spycake Posted: October 23, 2017 at 03:19 PM (#5560494)
Maybe they mean it in the "airing on YouTube" sense, rather than the "sponsored by YouTube" sense?


Technically, I guess Fox is on YouTube TV. But this is a sponsorship, hence the just-concluded "American League Championship Series presented by Camping World"
   28. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5560499)
As pointed out at the time, they were wrong.

When one replay out of six shows it might not have been a home run, that is not crystal clear evidence that it definitely wouldn't have been a home run.

Many, many, many announcers and TV people express various doubts regarding the flight of the ball on many close HR catches, and the fact that those doubts have barely been brought up here makes your "no other answer possible" stance a bit strange.
   29. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 23, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5560519)
When one replay out of six shows it might not have been a home run, that is not crystal clear evidence that it definitely wouldn't have been a home run.
Though the flip side is that the other 5 are all shot from similar angles that don't do much to illuminate--and may even obscure--the ball's actual trajectory relative to the wall.
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 23, 2017 at 03:57 PM (#5560526)
When one replay out of six shows it might not have been a home run, that is not crystal clear evidence that it definitely wouldn't have been a home run.

The one replay that casts doubt on it being a HR is from a high-above angle, which can distort the apparent height of the ball. A more definitive look would be a lower side-angle shot, but nothing like that has surfaced.
   31. Khrushin it bro Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5560656)
Do you guys think an alternate angle of the catch will effect his hall of fame chances if it proves home run saving or not? That's what I really want to know.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5560665)
A more definitive look would be a lower side-angle shot, but nothing like that has surfaced.

I would say maybe if someone was shooting from the grassy knoll, but they took the grassy knoll out a few years ago.

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