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Thursday, December 12, 2013

Phillies Agree To Deal With Pitcher Roberto Hernandez (Formerly Fausto Carmona)

The Phillies have agreed to a contract with starting pitcher Roberto Hernandez, according to several media reports.

Comcast Sportsnet’s Jim Salisbury was the first to report the signing, and was confirmed by several other media sources.

Heranadez, a 33 year old right handed pitcher, formerly played under the assumed name Fausto Carmona until 2011.

Hernandez has pitched in eight MLB seasons, most recently with the Tampa Bay Rays. He has a career record of 59-82, with an ERA of of 4.67 and a WHIP of 1.416. Last season for the Rays, he went 6-13 in 24 starts, with an ERA of 4.89.

Why he changed it I can’t say
People just liked it better that way

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM | 56 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: fausto carmona, free agents, phillies, roberto hernandez

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   1. AROM Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4616798)
From MLBTR:

GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said earlier this morning that he had an agreement in place with a starter but didn't wish to disclose the pitcher's name until a deal was finalized.


He wasn't sure what name the pitcher would be using for 2014 until the ink was dry.

I know he was caught falsifying age/identity, but now that's behind him, can't he legally change back to Fausto Carmona? Or at least Fausto Hernandez? Some of us still remember the former White Sox closer. Come on, avoid the confusion. Plus a league without a Fausto isn't the same.
   2. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:21 PM (#4616802)
Obligatory: The final piece!

Poor Robersto just isn't very good anymore.
   3. ColonelTom Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4616819)
Fauxto put up an xFIP of 3.60 last year. His ERA was terrible largely because of a staggering 20.9% HR/FB rate. That's the good news for the Phils. The bad news? His HR/FB was actually lower in 2013 than 2012 (23.5%), and his recent peripherals make him look an awful lot like Joe Blanton, who consistently posts an xFIP 1-2 full points below his actual ERA.

Still, if Edinson Volquez got $5M, it looks like the Phils paid the prevailing rate for a fifth starter.
   4. zonk Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:36 PM (#4616822)
Look, this whole name thing just isn't working out....

I understand the whole sordid history - but he needs to go back to Fausto because every time I hear about him, I keep thinking "WTF?!?! The old White Sox closer? He's got to be like 50 now... How did I miss him turning into a near-cromulent SP?"
   5. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4616831)
Some of us still remember the former White Sox closer.

I remember him as the former Royals closer and now I'm going to think there was a third Roberto Hernandez.
   6. AROM Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4616842)
The original Roberto Hernandez brings me back. He was an Angel draft pick in 1986, picked up as a comp pick for free agent Juan Beniquez, #16 overall. That's as good a comp pick you could get back then, and the Orioles gave it up for a 36 year old 4th outfielder. Granted, Beniquez played well in 1986.

Angels gave away the gift though, trading him to the White Sox for Mark Davis. No, not THAT Mark Davis, Just an outfielder whose MLB career lasted all of 2 hitless at bats.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4616843)
I remember him as the former Royals closer and now I'm going to think there was a third Roberto Hernandez.


You're thinking of former Phillies reliever Roberto Hernandez. This is current Phillies reliever Roberto Hernandez.
   8. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4616849)
DAMMIT
   9. SG Posted: December 12, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4616859)
I keep getting Leo Nunez/Juan Carlos Oveido and Fausto Carmona/Roberto Hernandez conflated in my head now.

All four should be banned from baseball.
   10. Jim Wisinski Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:14 PM (#4616883)
I always think of former Rays closer Roberto Hernandez.
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4616889)
A Faustian bargain.
   12. BDC Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:32 PM (#4616899)
Are there enough active guys to put together a team of players with other players' names? Chris Young, Adam Eaton, Roberto Hernandez …
   13. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:42 PM (#4616902)
If Jim Hickey, the Rays' pitching coach, couldn't straighten the guy out then good luck to any other organization trying to make him return to his form from 2007.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:48 PM (#4616908)
Fauxto put up an xFIP of 3.60 last year. His ERA was terrible largely because of a staggering 20.9% HR/FB rate. That's the good news for the Phils. The bad news? His HR/FB was actually lower in 2013 than 2012 (23.5%), and his recent peripherals make him look an awful lot like Joe Blanton, who consistently posts an xFIP 1-2 full points below his actual ERA.

How did that happen? Wasn't he a heavy sinker extreme grounballer?

Is he just throwing lots of sinkers that don't?
   15. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4616926)
59 wins! That's almost as many as Kyle Kendrick!
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4616929)
Are there enough active guys to put together a team of players with other players' names? Chris Young, Adam Eaton, Roberto Hernandez …


Billy Butler, Billy Buckner, Ryan Jackson, Jim Johnson, Will Smith, Henry Rodriguez, David Martinez, Carlos Martinez
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:01 PM (#4616931)
Billy Butler, Billy Buckner, Ryan Jackson, Jim Johnson, Will Smith, Henry Rodriguez, David Martinez, Carlos Martinez

Isn't there a Javy Lopez around, and there are like 12 Ramon Ramirezs.
   18. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4616937)
Ryan Braun.
   19. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:09 PM (#4616939)
Billy Hamilton.
   20. AROM Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:11 PM (#4616941)
Billy Hamilton. How dare the game's speediest prospect use the same name as one of the few players in history to steal 100 bases in a season?

Nationals have an outfield prospect named Michael Taylor. Not the same guy as the Oakland minor league outfielder, but those teams have made so many recent trades together that the two might be swapped for each other at any moment.

Edit: Coke.

   21. AROM Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4616945)
There's a minor league pitcher named Tommy Toledo. That doesn't even seem real, more like a character made up for a sports movie.
   22. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4616947)
There was a Cliff Lee as well.
   23. baerga1 Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4616949)
Joe Smith? Gotta be..
   24. DL from MN Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:21 PM (#4616952)
Tommy Toledo should come in to pitch after Al Albuquerque
   25. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4616954)
Jeff D'Amico
   26. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4616958)
Ramon Martinez
   27. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4616960)
Joe Smith? Gotta be..

Only if you count this guy, and Joe Smith is not his birth name.
   28. Bob Tufts Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4616964)
If the Phillies trade him at the deadline this summer, I hope that there is a player to be named later included in the deal for the player who was re-named earlier.
   29. Ron J2 Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4616965)
I think all players should be required to get a unique professional name. And to make my life more convenient they should be required to take names that resolve to unique BBREF (or Lahman) IDs -- without the need for any number tag. IOW their professional name must be unique when only looking at the first 5 characters of the last name and the first two characters of the last name.

C'mon, somebody needs to think of the lazy query writers.
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:26 PM (#4616966)
Isn't there a Javy Lopez around, and there are like 12 Ramon Ramirezs.

And far too many Alex Gonzalez's (Gonzalezi?) playing the same position at the same time, although when I was younger I didn't have any trouble keeping the six Alou brothers straight.


   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4616971)
There was a Cliff Lee as well.


I like that the Indians have a pitcher named C.C. Lee, like he serves as an evil reminder of two pitchers they once had.
   32. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4616974)
I think all players should be required to get a unique professional name.

I thought they had to, per union rules, if there are two active players with the same name. Ryan Braun the pitcher was always listed as Ryan Z. Braun on his baseball cards. Kind of like how the Screen Actors Guild won't let two actors with the same name, which is why Michael J. Fox added the J. to his name.
   33. zonk Posted: December 12, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4616980)
I thought they had to, per union rules, if there are two active players with the same name. Ryan Braun the pitcher was always listed as Ryan Z. Braun on his baseball cards. Kind of like how the Screen Actors Guild won't let two actors with the same name, which is why Michael J. Fox added the J. to his name.


Huh.

So who was the other John Mabry?
   34. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4616992)
Tommy Toledo should come in to pitch after Al Albuquerque

Francesa would hang up on you
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4616995)
So who was the other John Mabry?

John Mayberry? Do homonyms count?
   36. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4617005)
Tommy Toledo should come in to pitch after Al Albuquerque

And John Mayberry can pinch hit for him.

Amaro is hell-bent for mediocrity, isn't he?
   37. Nasty Nate Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:19 PM (#4617012)
I like lesser known players with names similar to stars, like Robinson Cancel and Zach Kroenke (and even the C.C. Lee noted above).

They are like knock-off products meant to fool consumers who aren't paying attention.
   38. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4617026)
And John Mayberry can pinch hit for him.


RFD.

   39. flournoy Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:51 PM (#4617031)
I liked Greg Olson, Gregg Olson, and then later Greg Golson.
   40. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 12, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4617033)
I keep getting Leo Nunez/Juan Carlos Oveido and Fausto Carmona/Roberto Hernandez conflated in my head now.


Really, 39 posts in and no one hit on the Alex Gonzalez conundrum.

I still get those 2 wrong...
   41. Nasty Nate Posted: December 12, 2013 at 06:12 PM (#4617050)
Really, 39 posts in and no one hit on the Alex Gonzalez conundrum.


post #30
--

Santiago Casilla used to be known as Jairo Garcia, but he wasn't as famous then.
   42. Perry Posted: December 12, 2013 at 08:02 PM (#4617120)
Did Scott Service ever pitch to Scott Servais?

20-some years ago the Reds had 2 pitchers name Michael Anthony Smith in the system at the same time. One was Texas Mike Smith and the other was Mississippi Mike Smith. Neither got more than a cuppa joe in the majors, though. And looking up their particulars I see there was ANOTHER Michael Anthony Smith with Toronto just a few years later. I guess he was Massachusetts Mike.

   43. Steve Treder Posted: December 12, 2013 at 08:17 PM (#4617128)
Dutch Leonard, Dutch Leonard
Mike Marshall, Mike Marshall
Steve Ontiveros, Steve Ontiveros
Don Leppert, Don Leppert
Bob Sadowski, Bob Sadowski
Hal Smith, Hal Smith
Greg Harris, Greg Harris
Bob Miller, Bob Miller
Bobby Jones, Bobby Jones
Frank Thomas, Frank Thomas
Joe Morgan, Joe Morgan
Dick Smith, Dick Smith, Dick Smith
   44. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 12, 2013 at 08:23 PM (#4617132)
   45. eddieot Posted: December 12, 2013 at 09:18 PM (#4617174)
Amaro is hell-bent for mediocrity, isn't he?

Hell, mediocrity might not be so bad. On its current merits this team is going to be worse than the Mets. Poor Sandberg, he rode buses in the minors for six years to finally get his managing shot and he's hunting elephants with a pea shooter. All I keep hearing was how lucrative the new TV deal is going to be in 2015 and the Phils should have Yankee money to spend. What's Ruben's next big move? I await the Shawn Marcum or Bruce Chen signing that inevitably comes next.

Sigh.
   46. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2013 at 09:56 PM (#4617190)
I don't think it should count if neither player amounted to anything (e.g. Michael Taylor). Similarly if they both had pretty good careers (Frank Thomas, even Alex Gonzalez).

Bob Gibson hung around a decent bit but Billy Williams failed to stick despite a great walk/HBP rate. (Wow, Williams was a 37-year-old rookie, never noticed that before).

EDIT: I do grant an exemtion for the two Steve Ontiveroses because that's such an odd surname to begin with.
   47. Brian White Posted: December 12, 2013 at 10:04 PM (#4617193)
I'll always remember Pedro A. Martinez because someone in my fantasy league kept trying to involve him in trade offers, hoping someone would confuse him for the real thing.

Also, Ervin Santana should have never changed his name from Johan. Its especially regrettable now that they're both he and Johan are free agents this offseason - some team could have signed two Johan Santanas!
   48. Balkroth Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:44 AM (#4617254)
Had 2 Christopher John Carpenters for a little while.
   49. Dan Posted: December 13, 2013 at 12:56 AM (#4617258)
Surprised nobody mentioned Pedro Martinez and Pedro Martinez. They were even contemporaries. (oh, post 47 did, guess I should have refreshed this tab before replying)

Not to mention several more minor league Pedro Martineces.
   50. Steve Treder Posted: December 13, 2013 at 01:04 AM (#4617260)
(Wow, Williams was a 37-year-old rookie, never noticed that before).

He makes a cameo appearance in Ball Four.
   51. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: December 13, 2013 at 09:32 AM (#4617315)
when I was younger I didn't have any trouble keeping the six Alou brothers straight.


Didn't three of them die trying to build a bridge between the 2 peaks of Mt Kilimanjaro?

Kind of like how the Screen Actors Guild won't let two actors with the same name, which is why Michael J. Fox added the J. to his name.


Same thing with William H Macy

   52. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM (#4617336)
Same thing with S. Epatha Merkerson?
   53. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:29 AM (#4617345)
Carmona/Hernandez's #1 comp is "John Thompson," which I think is the exact English translation of "Roberto Hernandez."
   54. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4617358)
Kind of like how the Screen Actors Guild won't let two actors with the same name, which is why Michael J. Fox added the J. to his name.


Same thing with William H Macy



Same with Michael Douglass, who had to change his name to the name we know him as - "Michael Keaton"
   55. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM (#4617360)
Not the same name, but I was impressed when the Padres had both Matt Whiteside and Matt Whisenant.
   56. Walt Davis Posted: December 13, 2013 at 04:45 PM (#4617680)
scott servais and scott service

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