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Wednesday, July 25, 2018

Phillies beat Dodgers in 16-inning game lasting nearly six hours [Daily News - Breen]

It was past 1 a.m. on Wednesday when Trevor Plouffe stood on the steps of the Phillies dugout and realized the Dodgers were turning to an infielder to pitch the 16th inning.

Plouffe, a 32-year-old journeyman who signed a minor-league deal with the Phillies in April to keep his career alive, asked manager Gabe Kapler whether he ever faced a position-player pitcher. Kapler told him he embarrassingly struck out nine years ago against Nick Swisher.

Perhaps that memory was enough for Plouffe to make sure he would not have a similar fate. He crushed Enrique Hernandez’s fifth pitch for a walk-off homer to right, and after 5 hours and 50 minutes, the Phillies finally had a 7-4 win.

You know how lots of position players have been pitching recently, and usually don’t get knocked around because they’re pitching in blowouts? That was not what happened when Kiké Hernandez started serving up meatballs in the 16th inning at 1 AM this morning.

Oh, and they play again at 12:35 this afternoon.

Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 25, 2018 at 09:06 AM | 57 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Batman Posted: July 25, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5715541)
Oh, and they play again at 12:35 this afternoon.
9:35 am Pacific
   2. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: July 25, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5715546)
I didn’t know Plouffe was back in the Majors. Good for him!
   3. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 25, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5715551)
In addition to being 16 innings, the game had a 15-minute rain delay, another 15-minute delay after plate umpire Tom Hallion got hit in the face with a foul tip, and what seemed like a 15-minute delay in the next half inning as he decided he couldn't continue and Phil Cuzzi had to go put on the pads.

The Phillies and Dodgers both had starters warming up in the pen. The Phillies eventually put in Vinny Velasquez and he got the job done despite some pitches that were way off the mark. The Dodgers had Rich Hill warming up but put in the infielder to pitch instead.

In one of the extra innings rookie reliever Austin Davis was at the plate with 2 outs and 2 men on base, for the third at-bat of his entire professional career. He also was never asked to hit at college according to the CSU-Bakersfield website. If he had gotten the walk-off hit now THAT would be something.
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5715560)
In yesterday's Dugout, I wrote:

[The increase in position players pitching] is the kind of thing that drives me insane and is one of the factors I find is causing me to be less interested in baseball as it evolves into TTO Moneyball.

Friggin' 8-man bullpens yet position players are pitching more innings so managers can "save the bullpen."

And while this wasn't a "save the bullpen" effort, this is actually even more of a farce. A major league manager turns to a position player to pitch in a tie game because he's already burned through all of his bullpen by using 4 pitchers to pitch 2 innings in regulation then gassed the rest of the crew by having them throw 2 innings each and subsequently can't be bothered to disrupt the rhythm of any of his starters when the game goes off-script and he's out of reliever arms.

Madness. Absolute madness. These aren't teams 20 games out of first place playing out the string in September either. I hope the Dodgers miss the playoffs by one game.
   5. Rally Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5715562)
You know how lots of position players have been pitching recently, and usually don’t get knocked around because they’re pitching in blowouts?


Depends what you mean by not getting knocked around. Isn't their composite ERA something like 7 or 8? Which means if you give them one inning it is more likely they throw a scoreless or just allow one run than giving up a crooked number.

This game was not a blowout. It went 18 innings. Ryan Goins pitched a scoreless 17th, though it was not pretty. He loaded the bases with one out before getting a comebacker and starting a double play. Darwin Barney pitched the 18th and gave up a homerun (not a walkoff, top of the inning) but then got the next 3 batters out.

In 2000 Brent Mayne pitched the top of the 12th and emerged scoreless. He earned the W as the Rockies walked off the Braves in the bottom of the 9th.

There have been other cases of position players pitching in long extra inning games but I can't remember. It's a smaller sample than blowouts but do they, as a group, do worse in high leverage than low leverage situations?
   6. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5715573)
I didn’t know Plouffe was back in the Majors. Good for him!

Yes, it's a surprise to all of us. The Phillies sent down Aaron Altherr because he was getting worse and worse and Dylan Cozens so he could get more playing time, and Pedro Florimon broke his foot so they turn to Trevor Plouffe as the requisite veteran presence. With this homer he starts to carve a place in Phillies history next to Kevin Frandsen and Eric Bruntlett.

Bench:
Andrew Knapp - catcher
Jesmuel Valentin - rookie utility man, can't hit
Mitch Walding - rookie 3B, lefty pinch hitter
Trevor Plouffe - veteran 3B, righty pinch hitter
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5715586)
Depends what you mean by not getting knocked around. Isn't their composite ERA something like 7 or 8? Which means if you give them one inning it is more likely they throw a scoreless or just allow one run than giving up a crooked number.


That's a little skewed, though, by the fact that in a blowout, everyone's just trying to get the game over with. In this game from two weeks ago, Alex Avila threw two scoreless innings, in large part because the Rockies were swinging at everything he threw up there. Avila faced seven men and threw a grand total of 13 pitches.
   8. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5715616)

Yes, it's a surprise to all of us. The Phillies sent down Aaron Altherr because he was getting worse and worse and Dylan Cozens so he could get more playing time, and Pedro Florimon broke his foot so they turn to Trevor Plouffe as the requisite veteran presence. With this homer he starts to carve a place in Phillies history next to Kevin Frandsen and Eric Bruntlett.


But did he join the Matt Stairs club and enjoy getting his ass hammered by the guys?
   9. perros Posted: July 25, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5715632)
I hope the Dodgers miss the playoffs by one game.


I think Andrew Friedman must use a secret algorithm to figure out how many games the Dodgers can toss away. Pitching Hernandez was far more understandable than giving Walker Buehler a rehab relief appearnace vs the Cubs, to just as predictable results.

Guess who was called up to start this afternoon's game?
   10. ajnrules Posted: July 25, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5715641)
There have been other cases of position players pitching in long extra inning games but I can't remember.

There's Wilson Valdez pitching in the 19th inning in a tie game, and then getting the win with a walk-off in the bottom of the inning.

There's Chris Davis, who came into a tie game in the 16th after going 0 for 7 with five strikeouts, holding the Red Sox scoreless, and then having to be his own closer after the Orioles went ahead in the 17th.

There's John Baker, who came into the top of the 16th in a tie game, and then scoring the winning run in the bottom of the inning.
   11. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 25, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5715665)
There's Chris Davis, who came into a tie game in the 16th after going 0 for 7 with five strikeouts, holding the Red Sox scoreless, and then having to be his own closer after the Orioles went ahead in the 17th.


In that game, Darnell McDonald was the losing pitcher for the Red Sox, so a position player was credited as both the winning and losing pitchers.
   12. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 25, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5715672)
With the Zach Britton trade, everything is lined up for Chris Davis to return to the bullpen and start helping the team again.
   13. bunyon Posted: July 25, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5715689)
It's okay, though, because Chris Davis hits like a reliever.
   14. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: July 25, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5715691)
   15. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 25, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5715708)
Position players pitching is always awesome. I didn't know so many people hated baseball.


   16. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5715717)
My least favorite position player appearance. This was, to me, the absolute low point for the late 80s Braves, a game they even managed to win. They beat utility infielder Jose Oquendo, but it took them 4 innings to do it, and were only able to because they used their #1 starter, Rick Mahler, for 8 innings of scoreless of relief. (This was when men were still real men, so three days later Mahler started and lasted into the 8th in a win.)

EDIT: Their starter got knocked out after 4, and the Braves still only used 5 pitchers in a 19 inning game. Different world.
   17. BDC Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5715722)
Position players pitching is always awesome

In fact, I think the converse should also happen. Give the position starters a break late in a blowout (except for the one who pitches), and make the eight guys standing around in the bullpen come in and bat/play an inning in the field.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5715738)
In fact, I think the converse should also happen. Give the position starters a break late in a blowout (except for the one who pitches), and make the eight guys standing around in the bullpen come in and bat/play an inning in the field.
How about this for an idea to keep blowouts interesting: As soon as one team gets a 10-run lead, it becomes Volleybaseball, and all fielders have to rotate one position to their left after every batter.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5715741)
And while this wasn't a "save the bullpen" effort, this is actually even more of a farce. A major league manager turns to a position player to pitch in a tie game because he's already burned through all of his bullpen by using 4 pitchers to pitch 2 innings in regulation then gassed the rest of the crew by having them throw 2 innings each and subsequently can't be bothered to disrupt the rhythm of any of his starters when the game goes off-script and he's out of reliever arms.

Madness. Absolute madness. These aren't teams 20 games out of first place playing out the string in September either. I hope the Dodgers miss the playoffs by one game.


Concur 100%
   20. Tom T Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5715752)
My least favorite position player appearance.


Augh! A sighting of one of the C. Carpenters who has left my brain befuddled for over 20 years. Nothing quite like having your brain store away the fact that "Cris Carpenter was drafted by the Blue Jays and then later played for the Cardinals" only to have to deal with the equally valid fact that "Chris Carpenter was drafted by the Blue Jays and then later played for the Cardinals."

If the 1986 draft hadn't been the first one to which I *really* paid attention --- or I could keep the absence/presence of the 'h' straight in my mind --- I probably wouldn't have this problem.....
   21. PreservedFish Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5715753)
I think it's probably a poor allocation of resources too. Let's say you're 50/50 to win this game in the 16th inning or whatever. Putting in Kike Hernandez makes you twice as likely to give up a run, and so, let's just say you're now 25% win expectancy. It could be much worse than that. It's rare to find a single move that will push win expectancy down so concretely. You're doing the single most substantial thing you can do to ensure you lose a game, and the tradeoff is that you don't need to bring up some AAA guy to spot-start one game, or to pitch in a tight relief situation, over the next 2-3 days. I think that's a bad trade.
   22. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:50 PM (#5715767)
It almost seemed like Dave Roberts blinked first and decided to end the game so they could get some sleep and not put any more miles on the pitchers. Hernandez did not look equipped to pitch a shutout inning. I'm no pitcher so I don't know what the game plan was, but he did not seem to be trying to either strike anyone out or induce weak contact.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 25, 2018 at 02:50 PM (#5715768)
The funny thing is, Roberts used, count 'em, SIX relievers before finally going to Jansen as literally the last non-pitcher out of the pen. "I tried, Buck! I really tried!!"
   24. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5715785)
This game was not a blowout. It went 18 innings. Ryan Goins pitched a scoreless 17th, though it was not pretty. He loaded the bases with one out before getting a comebacker and starting a double play. Darwin Barney pitched the 18th and gave up a homerun (not a walkoff, top of the inning) but then got the next 3 batters out.


I was at that game, and stayed around to the end.

When Goins came out to pitch, the remaining 20,000+ fans went bonkers.
When he got out of the bases loaded jam to end the inning, it was even louder.

Sadly, he immediately went on the DL because of a forearm strain due to his pitching.
One of his warm-up pitches went all the way to the backstop, but he was otherwise over the plate.

Barney gave up the home run to Santana, but when he struck out Napoli that also got a huge cheer.

In the bottom half of the inning, Donaldson hit a deep fly ball that forced the OF to catch it RIGHT at the wall. Another foot deeper and it would have been a tie game and who knows what happens then...
   25. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5715786)
Position players pitching is always awesome. I didn't know so many people hated baseball.


Concur.

Once upon a time - pre-Ohtani - I remember we used to wistfully imagine Brooks Kieschnick/Christian Vazquez 25th man roster spots.

Don't let your hatred of pitching changes color your views of this fun!
   26. PreservedFish Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5715791)
One of his warm-up pitches went all the way to the backstop, but he was otherwise over the plate.


That's just some veteran gamesmanship. Gotta make the hitters uncomfortable.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5715799)

Concur.

Once upon a time - pre-Ohtani - I remember we used to wistfully imagine Brooks Kieschnick/Christian Vazquez 25th man roster spots.

Don't let your hatred of pitching changes color your views of this fun!


How is it fun for your team to lose because your manager stupidly uses a position player in a tie game?
   28. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5715802)
Oh, and before it became a marathon, this game also had the amusing side plot of fans chanting "WE WANT UTLEY" and then booing every Dodger who came to bat in the late innings who might conceivably have been pitch hit for by Utley.
   29. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5715803)
BTW, I meant "last non-position player out of the pen" in 23.
   30. Rally Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5715816)
That's a little skewed, though, by the fact that in a blowout, everyone's just trying to get the game over with. In this game from two weeks ago, Alex Avila threw two scoreless innings, in large part because the Rockies were swinging at everything he threw up there. Avila faced seven men and threw a grand total of 13 pitches.


Is it skewed? It's a reasonable theory that in blowouts hitters are just trying to get the game over with, but do position players actually have worse results in competitive game situations than they do in blowouts?
   31. Rally Posted: July 25, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5715841)
How is it fun for your team to lose because your manager stupidly uses a position player in a tie game?


I'm not convinced it's stupid. Roberts got 15 innings out of his regular pitchers. He had to make a decision on whether to send his bullpen ace out there again after already pitching 1 2/3 innings. If he knew the game was destined to go 16 innings then he would have managed differently earlier, not using 3 pitchers to get through one inning.

If it's a playoff game you push Jansen, and then if it's still going you start bringing in your starting pitchers. For a game in July, at some point you have to weigh the chances of winning that game against the long term health and effectiveness of your staff. You can disagree with his decision, but I would not call it automatically stupid.
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5715860)
I'm not convinced it's stupid. Roberts got 15 innings out of his regular pitchers. He had to make a decision on whether to send his bullpen ace out there again after already pitching 1 2/3 innings. If he knew the game was destined to go 16 innings then he would have managed differently earlier, not using 3 pitchers to get through one inning.

Use a starter. Ideally, the guy who is on his throw day, like Phillie did.

If he only needs to throw 1 IP, he can likely make his start anyway. If he ends up throwing multiple innings, you call up a AAA starter to take his turn.

There's no way the decline in win expectancy from using a AAA guy to start in two days is anywhere near that from using the position player in the 16th innings. And it may not even be necessary. Velasquez will probably take his regular turn.
   33. PreservedFish Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5715866)
There's no way the decline in win expectancy from using a AAA guy to start in two days is anywhere near that from using the position player in the 16th innings. And it may not even be necessary.


Yeah I agree with this.
   34. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5715868)
If he knew the game was destined to go 16 innings then he would have managed differently earlier, not using 3 pitchers to get through one inning.

Hence the ridiculousness of modern bullpen usage knowing that sometimes games don't follow the script.
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5715871)
Hence the ridiculousness of modern bullpen usage knowing that sometimes games don't follow the script.

Even given his ridiculous bullpen usage, he had better options. He had tomorrow's starter, and the guy on his throw day.

Teams have always used starters in super-long games, especially when they only had 5 RPs.
   36. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5715874)
Friggin' 8-man bullpens yet position players are pitching more innings so managers can "save the bullpen."

And while this wasn't a "save the bullpen" effort, this is actually even more of a farce. A major league manager turns to a position player to pitch in a tie game because he's already burned through all of his bullpen by using 4 pitchers to pitch 2 innings in regulation then gassed the rest of the crew by having them throw 2 innings each and subsequently can't be bothered to disrupt the rhythm of any of his starters when the game goes off-script and he's out of reliever arms.


Bench:
Andrew Knapp - catcher
Jesmuel Valentin - rookie utility man, can't hit
Mitch Walding - rookie 3B, lefty pinch hitter
Trevor Plouffe - veteran 3B, righty pinch hitter


The Phils opted for a 14th pitcher today, bringing up Jake Thompson and sending .000/.125/.000 Mitch Walding down. The brains you see exploded all over the internet must be Pat Rapper's.
   37. DCA Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5715876)
I don't think he had tomorrow's starter. Buehler might not have been with the team or officially recalled (honestly I don't know, but it seems like he was activated to start today).

Rich Hill obviously was potentially available, as he was warming up. But he's Rich Hill, it's likely that he didn't feel right and the Dodgers didn't want to break him.

In other words, it's quite possible that Roberts' options really were limited to stick with Jansen, go with a starter on a rest day, or bring in a position player.
   38. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5715878)
Somehow I had never heard of Mitch Walding before he STARTED the second game of the Padres doubleheader. He is apparently an actual prospect but he is 25 and just looks like a prematurely aged minor league lifer. Darin Ruf and Cody Asche flashbacks.
   39. DCA Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5715880)
Probably should have brought in Jansen earlier - instead of Floro - and then once Jansen had reached his limit, Floro goes until the game is over. Seems to me like the biggest mistake here is saving a valuable arm that you have to protect for the last reliever.
   40. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5715881)
In other words, it's quite possible that Roberts' options really were limited to stick with Jansen, go with a starter on a rest day, or bring in a position player.

Very possible. And option B is clearly the best option, if Jansen is gassed.
   41. DCA Posted: July 25, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5715891)
The starter choices beyond Hill were Kershaw/Wood/Stripling. Kershaw and Wood are too good and too fragile to risk injury by pitching off schedule, and Stripling started the day before.
   42. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: July 25, 2018 at 06:01 PM (#5715918)
How is it fun for your team to lose because your manager stupidly uses a position player in a tie game?

The Dodgers announcers weren't even having any of the "Position player pitching...wild, wacky stuff!" business. They pretty much acknowledged that their guys were tapping out.
   43. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5715932)
Ah, the Oquendo appearance which was also the Brunansky/DeLeon cha cha cha.
   44. OCF Posted: July 25, 2018 at 07:25 PM (#5715955)
I came here to refer to a particular 1989 Dodger game; I see that Roger Cedeno's Spleen has that link in post #14 above. Orel Hershiser, not on his normal rest, entered the game to pitch the bottom of the 14th, and wound up pitching 7 shutout innings (on 3 hits) - which wasn't enough, as the Dodgers didn't score either. Jeff Hamilton, who had started the game at 3B, was the next Dodger pitcher after Hershiser. Hamilton pitched a 1-2-3 inning in the bottom of the 21st, but he didn't make it through the 22nd. The last line in the game summary is listed as "Rafael Ramirez: Single to RF (Line Drive to Deep 2B-1B); Doran Scores." In other words, he just got the ball over the first baseman's head - and that first basemen was not Eddie Murray (who had moved to 3B to cover the spot vacated by Hamilton) but rather Fernando Valenzuela, who was not available to pitch. Whether the taller Murray could have gotten the ball that the shorter Fernando couldn't reach - who knows?
   45. perros Posted: July 25, 2018 at 07:37 PM (#5715964)
Concur 100%


What year did Tommy Lasorda piss on your corn flakes?
   46. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 07:38 PM (#5715967)
I like the Vin Scully sidebar to that game. Called 45 innings in 29 hours. Flew to St louis Sat am, did 3.5hr 10 inn game for NBC, arrives at Astrodome during Anthem, does all 22, then does 13inn on Sunday.
   47. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 07:59 PM (#5715975)
The starter choices beyond Hill were Kershaw/Wood/Stripling. Kershaw and Wood are too good and too fragile to risk injury by pitching off schedule, and Stripling started the day before.

Then pitch Hill. Though I disagree that it's too risky to use Kershaw or Wood.
   48. Walt Davis Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5716089)
While I enjoy position players pitching in blowouts or in truly desperate extra-inning situations ... or cases where, usually due to injury, a pitcher has to play the field ...

the Cubs pushed it too far the other day using 3 position players to pitch the last 3.1 innings of a blowout the other day. It was only the 2nd game back from the AS break too so it's not like the pen wasn't rested. Granted, they had a DH the next day but you also get an extra roster spot for DHs now plus other option-style moves they could have made between Fri and Sat or even between G1 and G2.

And then something like this. You pitch Hill (unless he pulled up lame during the warmup). You have a viable option that maintains a good chance of winning the game, you take it. You just do. I certainly can't condemn GMs tanking by making no effort to improve the offseason roster then condone a manager openly blowing his team's chances to win a game. There are always "how much am I gonna invest today while sacrificing tomorrow" decisions so, sure, there are times a manager decides to reduce his short-term chances by 5% in the hope (right or wrong) of improving his longer-term chances. But this is basically saying "I don't care if we win this game" which is not good for the game.
   49. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 26, 2018 at 10:44 AM (#5716243)
Has a position player ever pitched the top of an inning and then gotten a walk-off hit in the bottom of the inning?

I know that Chris Davis pitched two innings against the Red Sox in Boston a few years back, but he didn't get a hit in the top of either inning, but did get the "win" when he held the Red Sox off the scoreboard in both innings.
   50. SoSH U at work Posted: July 26, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5716249)
Has a position player ever pitched the top of an inning and then gotten a walk-off hit in the bottom of the inning?


When Brent Mayne got his win for the Rockies in 2000, he was pinch-hit for in the bottom of the inning, and Adam Melhuse delivered the game-winner.
   51. Rally Posted: July 26, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5716263)
Rocky Colavito got a win for the 1968 Yankees. He didn't get a walk off hit, but did score the winning run in a 6-5 game. Here's the kicker though - it came in the 6th inning. Rocky came into the game in the 4th inning and pitched 2 2/3 scoreless innings before being relieved.

I wonder what the circumstances were. It was his only pitching appearance that year, but not the only one in his career. Overall he gave up only 1 hit and zero runs in 5 2/3 innings across two appearances a decade apart. Walked 5 and only struck out 2, but Rocky certainly had one hell of an arm.
   52. Greg Pope Posted: July 26, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5716275)
asked manager Gabe Kapler


How's Kapler been doing? I thought there were a couple of strategic blunders early in the year, but haven't heard anything recently. And the team is leading the division. Is he regarded positively in the clubhouse?
   53. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5716303)
Has a position player ever pitched the top of an inning and then gotten a walk-off hit in the bottom of the inning?

Not quite, but in 2014, the Cubs brought in backup catcher John Baker to pitch the top of the 16th inning against the Rockies. He threw a scoreless inning, walked to lead off the bottom of the 16th, and scored the game-winning run on a walk-off sac fly by Starlin Castro.
   54. Hysterical & Useless Posted: July 26, 2018 at 08:11 PM (#5716591)
And option B is clearly the best option


Didn't option J used to be the best option?
   55. Howie Menckel Posted: July 26, 2018 at 08:54 PM (#5716601)
per 51: Rocky road
"In a five-day period beginning Friday night, August 23, 1968, the Yankees were scheduled to play three doubleheaders, and a total of eight games, between Friday and Tuesday....

(in the second game of the first doubleheader, Lindy McDaniel relieved with 7 perfect innings on only 59 pitches in a 19-inning marathon TIE. The game was to be replayed on Sunday, so in effect the Yankees had 10 games in 5 days. Mel Stottlemyre pitched a CG on Saturday, but Steve Barber in Game 1 had a sore elbow+flu, so with Yanks down 5-0 early, Rocky entered the game. he and Gene Michael - a converted P to SS who still hit like a P - both had pitched in an exhibition game against Syracuse a month earlier.)
   56. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 26, 2018 at 10:30 PM (#5716649)
How's Kapler been doing? I


By all reports the team is very close knit and comes to play every night. They compete. They are mistake prone but they are young and are playing Kingery and Hoskins out of position.

He likes "managering" making frequent situational pitching changes. They really rely on going with pitcher's strengths in matchup vs. reflexive LR changes. I heard the announcers say that their bullpen has the lowest Era.

He uses his backup catcher a lot, probably because Knapp or Alfaro is his best option with the total collapse of Altherr's offense.

It's all working so far. I'm not convinced that this is a 90 win team, but as each week passes, they seem to be proving they are. Manager of the Year candidate so far.

Heck, he managed them to a team record tying 7 homers tonight!
   57. Rally Posted: July 27, 2018 at 09:12 AM (#5716717)
#55, Thanks Howie. I think my uncle was at that Syracuse exhibition, I remember him telling me about seeing Colavito pitch in a minor league game. Makes sense that it was an exhibition as there is no minor league pitching line for him except for 1951, when Rocky was 17 and my uncle would have been either an infant or not yet born.

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