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Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Phillies sign Bobby Abreu

Abreu Not at the Wall: A Novella

The Phillies are bringing back an familiar face.

Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports that the Phillies have signed Bobby Abreu.

“We’re looking at all the left-handed bats still out there and he’s one of them,” Ruben Amaro told CSN’s Salisbury. “Bobby has had a nice winter season. We have decent reports on him.”

Abreu, 39 years old, was never a fan favorite in his time with the Phillies. In his nine seasons with the team, he hit .303 with 195 home runs and a .928 OPS.

Abreu was traded to the Yankees in 2006.

Repoz Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:22 PM | 93 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4643523)
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
   2. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4643524)
Is Mickey Morandini available?
   3. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4643528)
As I said in the Dugout, my first thought on hearing this was, "Wow, Bobby Abreu has a son who's old enough to play professional baseball!?"
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4643529)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4643530)
This is one of those one-day "Retire as a Phillie" contracts, right?
   6. GregD Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4643531)
“We’re looking at all the left-handed bats still out there and he’s one of them,” Ruben Amaro told CSN’s Salisbury.
Hard to argue with that logic!
   7. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4643535)
One of these guys is dead!
Cross him off then!
   8. DA Baracus Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4643537)
Thanks for being you Ruben Amaro Jr.
   9. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4643538)
Abreu is an All-Star qualitiy player according to the 2007 scouting reports.
   10. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4643543)
LOL
   11. Gonfalon B. Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4643544)
"I just won you the pennant. The 2004 pennant."
   12. Greg K Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4643546)
Damn, I literally put my 2013 retirees comments online a couple hours ago and included Abreu.

Screwed by Bobby again!
   13. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4643554)
#9, the sad thing is that he will have more value than _elm_n had.
   14. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4643555)
I'll give Amaro this, he is the master of the "I can't believe he just did that".

   15. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4643557)
I honestly thought this was a long ago thread that somehow got reactivated. But no. OK then.
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4643560)
Crispix, Morandini is supposed to be in the running ... for a broadcast position.
   17. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4643562)
Minor league deal. Ho hum.
   18. Padraic Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4643563)
As the WIP afternoon host said: "Well, now they're just bleeping with us."

Sadly, he will probably lead the team in OBP.
   19. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4643568)
Abreu, 39 years old, was never a fan favorite in his time with the Phillies. In his nine seasons with the team, he hit .303 with 195 home runs and a .928 OPS.

Well, you can see why he wasn't a fan favorite. He barely contributed.
   20. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 21, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4643570)
Morandini is supposed to be in the running ... for a broadcast position.

OK, so he won't be on the roster. How about Rico Brogna? He's the same age as Jason Giambi.
   21. DA Baracus Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:02 PM (#4643574)
Brogna is an assistant with the Angels. Chad Ogea is probably available though.

Fun fact: Ruben Amaro and Bobby Abreu were teammates.
   22. BDC Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4643576)
Comps for Abreu, centered on him in terms of OPS+ and PAs:

Player               dWAR    PA OPSWAR/pos  SB      Pos
Roberto Clemente     11.9 10211  130    94.4  83 
*9/H8745
Charlie Gehringer    10.6 10244  124    80.8 181   
*4H/35
Sammy Sosa           
-0.9  9896  128    58.3 234  *98D/H7
Al Simmons           
-1.4  9518  133    68.6  88  *78/H93
Fred Clarke          
-2.7  9838  133    67.8 509  *7/6985
Goose Goslin         
-4.7  9829  128    66.2 176 *79/H835
Todd Helton          
-5.9  9453  133    61.2  37  *3/H7D9
Zack Wheat           
-7.0  9996  129    59.9 205   *7/H89
Tony Gwynn           
-8.2 10232  132    68.9 319  *98H/7D
Willie Keeler       
-10.1  9553  127    53.6 490 *9/54786
Bobby Abreu         
-10.6  9926  129    60.5 399  *9D7H/8
Fred McGriff        
-17.9 10174  134    52.5  72    *3D/


Abreu shows up in the comps of a lot of HOFers and HOF cases, so it's no surprise to find a bunch of HOFers in his.

Though actually if Abreu's career reminds me of any HOFer, it's Eddie Murray: amazing consistency. There are two major differences: (1) Murray was perceived, correctly or not, as a dominant player. Despite not having much more impressive presence on the WAR leaderboards than Abreu, if at all, Murray was a continual MVP candidate. (2) Murray was excellent at age 21 and still remarkably good at age 39. Abreu's career as a fine player goes from 24 through 36.
   23. Davo Dozier Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4643579)
The Phillies have now acquired Tony Gwynn, Roberto Hernandez, Marlon Byrd, and Bobby Abreu this off-season.
   24. Dale Sams Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4643581)
You know, JD Drew is available as a left-handed bat also.
   25. Danko Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4643586)
It's only a matter of time before they acquire Babe Ruth the Fourth from the Springfield Isotopes for cash considerations.
   26. Davo Dozier Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4643593)
Well, you can see why he wasn't a fan favorite. He barely contributed.
Zero RBIs!
   27. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4643597)
I understand the California Penal League has got Lenny Dykstra in the best shape of his life.
   28. I Am Not a Number Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:31 PM (#4643603)
Who wrote this? An familiar face? An?

And we learn that he was not a fan favorite and then the bizarro non sequitur that his OPS was over 900 for 9 years.
   29. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4643606)
Who is next to be signed?
Scott Podsednik?
Adam Kennedy?
Johnny Damon?
Rodrigo Lopez?


   30. Lars6788 Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4643607)
I totally see where guys like Abreu are not fan favorites - put up the numbers but never connected with the fans - made it look too easy out there and that was perceived as dogging it or not giving it your all despite what the numbers on a yearly basis might say.
   31. JRVJ Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:45 PM (#4643615)
It's a minor league deal but for $800K (as per the FA).

If I understand what that means, the Phillies are only on the hook if they buy his contract from their minor league affiliate.

If that's the case, why not take a change on the guy? (it probably won't work out, but right now, it doesn't look like the Phillies are going anywhere in 2014 - and I say that as a Phillies fan).
   32. alkeiper Posted: January 21, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4643624)
It's only a matter of time before they acquire Babe Ruth the Fourth from the Springfield Isotopes for cash considerations.


He's no Babe Ruth the third.

I actually like this. The Phillies finished 14th in walks drawn last year, ahead of only the team that employed Juan Francisco. Abreu upon his return becomes the active MLB career leader in walks. He supplies a talent that the team desperately needs.
   33. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 21, 2014 at 06:21 PM (#4643646)
Update: Phillies also sign Chad Gaudin.
   34. jacjacatk Posted: January 21, 2014 at 06:27 PM (#4643653)
If that's the case, why not take a change on the guy? (it probably won't work out, but right now, it doesn't look like the Phillies are going anywhere in 2014 - and I say that as a Phillies fan).


Because Darin Ruf projects to be better with the bat than Abreu actually was 3 years ago.

Over/under on when Amaro fires Sandberg and takes over as manager? I mean, the best explanation for his moves at this point is that he's been possessed by 1983 Paul Owens.
   35. Lassus Posted: January 21, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4643656)
I know most everyone's having their giggles over this, but is it really that bad a move? I get Darin Ruf's projection, but it is a projection. This doesn't seems super-insane to me.
   36. jacjacatk Posted: January 21, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4643660)
With this signing, they can actually start guys who played for the 2004 Phillies at 5 positions. Is any other team even close to being able to do that?

Also, the guy who drops off that list of 5 if you go back to 2003, the youngest of the 5, is actually Ryan Howard.
   37. jacjacatk Posted: January 21, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4643664)
I know most everyone's having their giggles over this, but is it really that bad a move? I get Darin Ruf's projection, but it is a projection. This doesn't seems super-insane to me.


Abreu hit 242/350/342 2 years ago, will be 40, and is terrible fielder at this point. He's gotta project to something in the neighborhood of 200/300/300, with crappy defense. The Phillies aren't exactly swimming in OF prospects, but they've got to have 5 or 6 other guys in the minors who are likely to outperform Abreu at this point.
   38. jacjacatk Posted: January 21, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4643665)
FWIW, Darin Ruf's career OPS+ is 128 (and yes, I get that this is not necessarily something to expect him to be able to sustain). It's been 10 years since Abreu put up a season that good with the bat.
   39. NTP Nate Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4643680)
[T]hey can actually start guys who played for the 2004 Phillies at 5 positions. Is any other team even close to being able to do that?


Why would any other team want to start 5 guys who played for the 2004 Phillies?
   40. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4643682)
Mets to sign Carlos Baerga, experts warn.
   41. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4643696)
They can also start Roberto Hernandez, albeit it's not the same one from the 2004 Phillies.
   42. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:18 PM (#4643698)
Abreu hit 242/350/342 2 years ago, will be 40, and is terrible fielder at this point. He's gotta project to something in the neighborhood of 200/300/300, with crappy defense. The Phillies aren't exactly swimming in OF prospects, but they've got to have 5 or 6 other guys in the minors who are likely to outperform Abreu at this point.
fun fact: that 350 OBP would have led last year's phillies.
   43. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4643701)
Fred McGriff -17.9 10174 134 52.5 72 *3D/H


What's hilarious is that people here take McGriff's dWAR seriously. A -18 dWAR for McGriff at first base. Sure.
   44. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4643703)
At the risk of this devolving into a "How old is Bobby Abreu?!" thread, how about this:

Bobby Abreu has been playing so long, he was the Devil Rays' sixth pick...in their expansion draft.

Bobby Abreu received MVP votes for the first time during his 4th season, 1999. 29 players got MVP votes in the NL that year. He was the only one active in 2013.
   45. Davo Dozier Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:28 PM (#4643705)
With this signing, they can actually start guys who played for the 2004 Phillies at 5 positions.

Randy Wolf, Placido Polanco and Jason Michaels are all still available in free agency. LET'S DO THIS!!!
   46. Davo Dozier Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:43 PM (#4643714)
Of course, the much better question would be: If we forced teams to play the 2014 season using only players who played for them in 2004, who would have the best team?

My money's on the 2004 Indians:

C: Victor Martinez
1b: Travis Hafner
2b: Brandon Phillips
3B: Jhonny Peralta
SS: John McDonald
LF: Ryan Ludwick
CF: Coco Crisp
RF: Ben Broussard
DH: Grady Sizemore

SP: Cliff Lee
SP: CC Sabathia
SP: Jeremy Guthrie
SP: Jake Westbrook
CL: Rafael Betancourt

That's tough to beat!
   47. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4643719)
What's hilarious is that people here take McGriff's dWAR seriously. A -18 dWAR for McGriff at first base. Sure.


What do you think dWAR is?
   48. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:50 PM (#4643723)
Bobby Abreu received MVP votes for the first time during his 4th season, 1999. 29 players got MVP votes in the NL that year. He was the only one active in 2013.

Four of the AL vote-getters were active in 2013 though! (three on the Yankees)

Also, one of the NL vote-getters was Matt Mantei, in recognition of his astounding 32 saves and 2.76 ERA.
   49. jdennis Posted: January 21, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4643727)
What's hilarious is that people here take McGriff's dWAR seriously. A -18 dWAR for McGriff at first base. Sure.

What do you think dWAR is?


I think he's commenting on absolute value. I personally think the magnitudes of dWAR are too big, especially for modern first basemen. But in my model, I actually have McGriff deserving of a GG early in his career. Negative overall career value of course, but one good season.

As for Abreu, he can draw a walk, will probably be a PH or something, and he was willing to sign for a low price. He has also been dominating the Venezuelan League apparently. So I can see him being a reserve hitting for the pitcher.
   50. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: January 21, 2014 at 08:03 PM (#4643729)
So I can see him being a reserve hitting for the pitcher.


In this day of 12 man pitching staffs? There's just no room for a professional pinch hitter in today's game.
   51. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: January 21, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4643733)
Awesome. Now the bleacher fans will know what to do with those D size batteries!

Abreu upon his return becomes the active MLB career leader in walks. He supplies a talent that the team desperately needs.


See Peter Bourjos is right, walks suck, no one likes you!
   52. jacjacatk Posted: January 21, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4643745)
Awesome. Now the bleacher fans will know what to do with those D size batteries!


No way Abreu gets close enough to a wall for someone to be able to hit him with a D-cell.
   53. Davo Dozier Posted: January 21, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4643746)
If the 2004 Phillies got the old bunch back together, it'd be:

C: Ooh boy. Well, AJ Hinch has the most recent experience wearing a uniform, so AJ Hinch.
1b: Ryan Howard
2b: Chase Utley
3b: Placido Polanco
SS: Jimmy Rollins
LF: Jason Michaels
CF: Marlon Byrd
RF: Bobby Abreu

SP: Gavin Floyd
SP: Randy Wolf
SP: Brett Myers
SP: Kevin Millwood
SP: Vicente Padilla
CL: Ryan Madson
   54. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4643747)
Bobby Abreu received MVP votes for the first time during his 4th season, 1999. 29 players got MVP votes in the NL that year. He was the only one active in 2013.


Abreu was not active in 2013
   55. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 21, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4643749)
And we learn that he was not a fan favorite and then the bizarro non sequitur that his OPS was over 900 for 9 years.


My hope is that the writer joined those two sentences as a subtle dig at Phillies fans for not realizing how good Abreu was.
   56. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:10 PM (#4643761)
Over/under on when Amaro fires Sandberg and takes over as manager?


I'll go with "about two days before Sandberg makes his 2014 debut at second base for the Phillies."
   57. God Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4643764)
The 2004 Dodgers have exactly five active players:

C David Ross
SS Cesar Izturis
3B Adrian Beltre
LF Jayson Werth
SP Edwin Jackson
   58. Padraic Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:28 PM (#4643772)
SP: Gavin Floyd
SP: Randy Wolf
SP: Brett Myers
SP: Kevin Millwood
SP: Vicente Padilla
CL: Ryan Madson


The team is also looking to bring Madson back! Let's do this.
   59. Davo Dozier Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4643782)
The Royals are rocking a Stars & Scrubs lineup. They really need Greinke to pull an Old Hoss Radbourn:

C: John Buck
1b: Mike Sweeney
2b: Ruben Gotay
3b: Angel Berroa
Ss: Donnie Murphy
LF: Jose Bautista
CF: David DeJesus
RF: Carlos Beltran
DH: Rich Thompson

SP: Zack Greinke
SP: ...How’s Kevin Appier looking these days?
RP: Shawn Camp
RP: Dennys Reyes
CL: Jeremy Affeldt
   60. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:53 PM (#4643785)
What do you think dWAR is?

You expect him to have a grasp of a subject before he makes his stupid pronouncements?
   61. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 21, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4643789)
I think the only 2004 Brewer who played last year is Chris Capuano. Though Corey Hart (1 PA in 2004) was SUPPOSED to play his tenth season for the Brewers before the injury.
   62. Davo Dozier Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:01 PM (#4643790)
61--Lyle Overbay got a brief Yankee Zombie Bounce last year, too (and is returning to Milwaukee in 2014!)
   63. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:08 PM (#4643792)
Still active 2004 Toronto Blue Jays:

C: Guillermo Quiroz
LF: Reed Johnson
CF: Vernon Wells
RF: Alex Rios
SP: Dave Bush (one appearance last year)
RP: Jason Frasor
RP: Brandon League

That's it. Not many left.
   64. Booey Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4643793)
I always remembered Abreu as the master of the (exactly) 20 HR season. He's got 9 years with at least 20 homers, and 5 of them are exactly 20. Also a master of the just over 100 rbi season - 8 years with at least 100 rbi's, none higher than 110 (Chipper and Adam Dunn were masters of this as well).

Two 30/30 seasons and nine 20/20 seasons is kinda cool too.
   65. Random Transaction Generator Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4643794)
LF: Jose Bautista
CF: David DeJesus
RF: Carlos Beltran


That would be a hell of an outfield in 2014.
   66. ColonelTom Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4643796)
I guess Darin Ruf should start looking for an apartment in the Lehigh Valley area.
   67. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:27 PM (#4643798)
If we forced teams to play the 2014 season using only players who played for them in 2004, who would have the best team?


I think the 2004 Cubs had exactly three players who appeared in MLB in 2013: Aramis Ramirez, Ryan Dempster, and Kyle Farnsworth.
   68. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4643801)
Nope, the amazing career of 2004 Cubs closer LaTroy Hawkins continues to this day.
   69. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:41 PM (#4643804)
Nope, the amazing career of 2004 Cubs closer LaTroy Hawkins continues to this day.


It's funny who lasts and who doesn't. The 2004 Cubs' starting rotation included guys who were 23, 23, 27, and 29 years old. Their starting center fielder was 24. Yet, their mediocre 31-year-old closer out-lasted them all.

And I think I've been amazed each of the last four seasons the first time I see Hawkins pitch, "Wait, he's still pitching? Really?"
   70. greenback calls it soccer Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4643805)
Brendan Harris 2013 = Albert Pujols 2015?
   71. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2014 at 10:47 PM (#4643809)
2004 White Sox active in 2013:
C Miguel Olivo
1B Paul Konerko
SS Juan Uribe
SP Mark Buehrle
SP Jon Garland
SP Freddy Garcia
SP Jose Contreras
RP Neal Cotts
RP Jon Rauch
RP Jason Grilli

Durable pitchers...
   72. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:09 PM (#4643820)
The 2004 Mets have Wright, Reyes, Jeff Keppinger and Pedro Feliciano. I'm not sure if Dan Wheeler and Ty Wigginton are retired.
   73. Sweatpants Posted: January 21, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4643824)
1B: Adam LaRoche
2B: Nick Green
3B: Wilson Betemit
SS: Mark DeRosa (he retired after last season, right?)
LF: Dewayne Wise

*Rafael Furcal (didn't play last season, but that was because of an injury)

I don't think that a single pitcher from the 2004 Braves pitched in the majors in 2013. Roman Colon pitched in AAA, and Horacio Ramirez was kicking around in the Mexican League and the Atlantic League.

It was somewhat surprising in 2007 that both Green and Wise still got some time in the big leagues.
   74. BochysFingers Posted: January 22, 2014 at 12:32 AM (#4643853)
2004 Giants still active in 2013:

C: A.J. Pierzynski
C: Yorvit Torrealba
IF: Cody Ransom (!)

SP: Jerome Williams
SP: Kevin Correia

Of course, we knew at the time it was an old team. Probably would've been surprised that five of its players would play in 2013.
   75. Cooper Nielson Posted: January 22, 2014 at 12:50 AM (#4643859)
This is fun. Here's the 2004 Tigers, as far as I can tell (shuffling positions a bit, but sticking to positions they actually played):

C - Brandon Inge
1B - Carlos Pena
2B - Omar Infante
3B -
SS -
LF - Curtis Granderson
CF - Andres Torres
RF - Ryan Raburn
P - Jeremy Bonderman

That's better than I expected, and almost a full team... but it's still not very good. To fill out the roster, they could coax Carlos Guillen (SS) and Marcus Thames (LF) out of retirement -- both were active as recently as 2011. (Raburn could move to infield.)

It looks like Bonderman was the only pitcher still active in 2013, and he was of course inactive in 2011 and 2012. Most of the rest of the pitchers were gone by 2008.

(BTW, I just discovered that Craig Monroe's middle name is "Keystone.")
   76. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4643997)
And I think I've been amazed each of the last four seasons the first time I see Hawkins pitch, "Wait, he's still pitching? Really?"

He gets skinnier and skinner as he ages, too. A true throwback.
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: January 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4644226)
I think he's commenting on absolute value. I personally think the magnitudes of dWAR are too big, especially for modern first basemen. But in my model, I actually have McGriff deserving of a GG early in his career. Negative overall career value of course, but one good season.


Why does anyone ever bring up dWar? It's a good tool in the calculation but it's really misleading when talking about the quality of the defense of a player. It's positional adjusted, so a guy like Keith Hernandez, who is widely accepted as an elite level defender, still only garners a .6 career dWar.

What's hilarious is that people here take McGriff's dWAR seriously. A -18 dWAR for McGriff at first base. Sure.


That is -34 runs below average for his position throughout his 19 year career.... where do you disagree with this assessment? Less than 2 runs a year....not sure I'm seeing the big disagreement, was he worse than that?
   78. Dolf Lucky Posted: January 22, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4644285)
With the 2004 Reds, it's actually a close race between still active players and deceased.

Dunn
Kearns (maybe)
Corky F'n Miller
Harang

vs.

Freel
Lidle
Hancock
   79. AROM Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4644441)
What's hilarious is that people here take McGriff's dWAR seriously. A -18 dWAR for McGriff at first base. Sure.


If you actually understood what that meant, I don't see how it could be seen as unreasonable.

dWAR is Fielding runs + position adjustment. For McGriff, he's -34 runs on defense, -143 on position. On a per season level:

-2 runs fielding - below average, but not by any means terrible.

-8 or -9 runs for position adjustment. This is based on the novel concept that first basemen on average contribute less to defense than players at other positions.
   80. AROM Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:07 PM (#4644447)
"Wow, Bobby Abreu has a son who's old enough to play professional baseball!?"


Bobby's about the same age as recent teammate Torii Hunter, who has kids in college. Both are younger than me, and my kids are little. It is a little weird sometimes to be dealing with diapers and see people younger than myself dealing with college applications for their kids.
   81. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4644450)
Kiley McDaniel tweeted the other day that he was scouting Vlad Guerrero Jr.
   82. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4644451)
Your active 2004 Florida Marlins:

C Ramon Castro (kicking it in the Atlantic League)
1B Hee-Seop Choi (being a stud in the KBO)
2B Josh Wilson, active with the 2004 AAA Albuquerque Isotopes
SS Sea Bass Gonzalez
3B Miguel Cabrera
LF Josh Willingham
CF Juan Pierre
RF Jeremy Hermida, active with the 2004 A+ Jupiter Hammerheads

SP Josh Beckett
SP A.J. Burnett
RP Darren Oliver
RP Logan Kensing
   83. AROM Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4644459)
RP Darren Oliver


Active in 2013, retired now.
   84. The District Attorney Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4644460)
Abreu is three years younger than Raul Mondesi, whose son is about to begin his third year in the Royals' organization.

I suppose it can't hurt for Abreu to delay his HOF eligibility a couple more years, in the hope that the trainwreck somehow gets resolved.

In any event, I certainly expect the GM to say something more enthusiastic than "We have decent reports on him." That was weird.
   85. Davo Dozier Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4644476)
I'm pretty sure that the 2004 Cleveland Indians are going to go about 159-3 if we simmed this league out.
   86. cardsfanboy Posted: January 22, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4644477)
I suppose it can't hurt for Abreu to delay his HOF eligibility a couple more years, in the hope that the trainwreck somehow gets resolved.


Why??? He's not going to get any serious consideration and doesn't deserve anything other than maybe a courtesy vote.
   87. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 22, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4644523)
What do you think dWAR is?


A GWAR cover band made up of dwarves?
   88. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 22, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4644525)
Just as a hypothetical, how would you guys configure a 2014 Pirates outfield of Jose Bautista, Jason Bay, and Jason Kendall? Bautista is essentially an average defensive RF, with a good throwing arm and arguably the best legs/range of the three. Bay is a marginal corner defender with a noodle arm and some experience in CF (a long time ago). Kendall had a small amount of experience in LF in the distant past, which didn't go well, and he's nearly incapable of throwing a ball at this point due to shoulder problems.

Bear in mind that left field at PNC Park is extremely large, while right field is extremely small. So if you stick Bautista in right, you've got two guys who probably add up to one normal outfielder's worth of range covering 3/4 of the outfield, and if you stick Bautista in center, you've got a right fielder who probably needs three hops to get the ball back to the second baseman.

(It's a hypothetical because Ruben Mateo is apparently still active. Admittedly as a 36-year-old DH in the Mexican League, but that probably still puts him ahead of a 40-year-old ex-catcher who retired on a AA club in 2012 for medical reasons.)
   89. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 22, 2014 at 05:25 PM (#4644543)
2004 Rays:

1B Matt Diaz (2.2 career innings there!)
LF Carl Crawford
CF BJ Upton
RF Jose Bautista
DH Jonny Gomes

SP Scott Kazmir
RP Chad Gaudin

That's pretty fitting; the Rays of that time period tended to be good in the outfield with no infield or pitching staff.
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: January 22, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4644553)
2004 Cardinals

C Yadier Molina
1b Albert Pujols
OF Rick Ankiel(not sure if he is retired or not)

Sp Dan Haren
Sp Jason Marquis.

and that is it.
   91. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 22, 2014 at 05:39 PM (#4644567)
OF Rick Ankiel(not sure if he is retired or not)


He hasn't signed anywhere, but said in December that he was willing to take a minor league deal with a NRI, so I'd imagine that he'll end up in camp with somebody.
   92. Craig in MN Posted: January 23, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4645295)
The active 2004 Twins might be the best around. They can nearly field a credible team....heck they might be better than the 2013 Twins. Very stong bullpen

1B Joe Mauer
2B Nick Punto
3B Michael Cuddyer
DH Justin Morneau
CF Torii Hunter
LF Jason Kubel
RF Lew Ford
SS Jason Bartlett
C Henry Blanco

SP Kyle Lohse
SP Johan Santana
RP Grant Balfour
RP Joe Nathan
RP Jesse Crain
RP Matt Guerrier
RP JC Romero


   93. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: January 23, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4645297)
It's good to see the Phillies are starting their youth movement.

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