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Monday, December 07, 2009

Philly Burbs: Burrell traded to Mets

Can’t find a second source on this one…

Former Phillies outfielder Pat Burrell has reportedly been swapped twice this morning, eventually landing with Phils division rival the New York Mets.

The Tampa Bay Rays traded the slugging left fielder to the Chicago Cubs then the Cubs dealt Burrell to the Mets. Names of other players involved in the deals were not immediately available.

Update from Ben Shpigel’s catalog…

Despite Philadelphia-area report, Pat Burrell IS NOT a Met. Totally bogus, says one team official.

Repoz Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:09 PM | 72 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cubs, mets, phillies, rays, rumors

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   1. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3405542)
Well, if this is true, I await the ####-storm of BTF Mets fans.
   2. Tripon Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3405543)
WTF.
   3. Erix Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3405546)
...What?
   4. DKDC Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3405549)
You gotta love the winter meetingsā€¦
   5. Repoz Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3405550)
It's still not showing up on various winter meeting twitters...so...
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3405552)
This could be good for the Mets if he's playing 1B. If he's in LF, eh, not so much.
   7. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3405554)
This is clearly the first and second huge announcements will caroll was referring to in his twitter.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:25 PM (#3405558)
That's not a very good allocation of resources...unless cash is coming with him.
   9. Adam B. Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:25 PM (#3405559)
He did love hitting at Shea .... oh, wait.
   10. RJ in TO Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3405560)
Well, at least the Mets don't have to worry about his performance collapsing. That already happened last year.
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3405561)
Wow, I was just going to post this, but I heard it from a different source.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3405562)
Maybe it's Bradley to Tampa and Castillo to the Cubs.
   13. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3405564)
[11] So that's two sources, then. Run it!
   14. SteveM. Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:29 PM (#3405566)
I'd rather have Burrell then Castillo. But I'd rather have the plague then looking at Bradley's sour face again.
   15. The Essex Snead Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:30 PM (#3405570)
[12] What little I found blog-Googling for news semi-corroborates rumors (ha) of the Bradley / Burrell swap.
   16. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:30 PM (#3405571)
Maybe it's Bradley to Tampa and Castillo to the Cubs.


That was my thought too but geez, I realize Castillo ain't great but he still gets on at a pretty good clip, he's a useful player. That trade makes the pretty big assumption that last year was a one time only thing by Burrell and not the beginning of the end.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3405578)
That trade makes the pretty big assumption that last year was a one time only thing by Burrell and not the beginning of the end.

He's only signed for one more year; not too much risk really.
   18. Tripon Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3405579)
Castillo's defense really did crater though.
   19. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:35 PM (#3405582)
Maybe it's Bradley to Tampa


Performance-wise, that makes all sorts of sense for the Rays. But is Milton Bradley really the best role model you want to bring in to mentor B.J. Upton?
   20. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:35 PM (#3405584)
I don't know who the Mets gave up but I don't see why adding Burrell is a bad thing in and of itself.
   21. Tripon Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3405588)
B.J. Upton will be in his 5th year of his service time. Just how much of a bad influence can Milton Bradley be on Upton?
   22. billyshears Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3405589)
When was the last time a player actually rebounded with the Mets? I look forward to Burrell continuing his downward spiral next year.
   23. JJ1986 Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:39 PM (#3405590)
When was the last time a player actually rebounded with the Mets?

Tatis.
   24. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3405592)
How much time is left on Castillo's contract? If this trade rumor is true the Cubs probably would have been better off living with Burrell.
   25. SteveM. Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3405595)
When was the last time anyone rebounded in New York? Can Eddie Curry get off the ground anymore?
   26. andrewberg Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3405598)
If it's not on mmlbtraderumors, then I don't believe it.
   27. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3405601)
Tampa with Milton Bradley DHing could be a truly great offense. Getting Bradley off the field seems necessary to getting his best as a hitter.
   28. RJ in TO Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3405606)
How much time is left on Castillo's contract?


2010 and 2011, at about $6M a season.
   29. Kiko Sakata Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3405608)
B.J. Upton will be in his 5th year of his service time. Just how much of a bad influence can Milton Bradley be on Upton?


He'll still only be 25 and his erratic performance and occasional benchings for lack of hustle suggest to me that he's still got some growing up to do. But I live in Chicago, watch the Rays less than 3 times a year, and am pretty much just talking out of my ass here. Mostly, I'd kind of gotten the impression that the Rays were an organization that looked for "character" - Floyd got a lot of credit as a "clubhouse leader" a couple of years ago, they traded away Dukes and Young. This move just surprises me, but, as I said, I don't follow the Rays much and in terms of baseball performance it makes a lot of sense for them.
   30. zonk Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:44 PM (#3405610)
Castillo has 2 years left.

The rumor is that the Cubs are thisclose to landing Mike Cameron to play CF -- only awaiting the outlay damage of moving Milton to pull the trigger.

All things considered, I think I'd rather have Castillo at 2B, Cameron in CF, Fukudome in RF than I would Fukudome in CF, Burrell in RF (ugh!), and Fontenbaker at 2B.

Starlin Castro shouldn't be playing with the big club next year, and I'm fine with him easing in to the tune of 200 PAs or so in 2011.

Castillo's defense may blow, but he can still get on base.
   31. tdierkes Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3405612)
Pretty sure this is just Tom Haines misinterpreting the current rumors of three-team talks. I emailed him and have not heard back. I don't believe he is a sportswriter.
   32. Andere Richtingen Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3405614)
How much time is left on Castillo's contract? If this trade rumor is true the Cubs probably would have been better off living with Burrell.

Castillo is owed $12 million, evenly split in 2010 and 2011. Burrell is owed $9 million in 2010.

If this move allows the Cubs to pick up an OF who can hit, this may be preferable.
   33. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:49 PM (#3405620)
The Cubs dont have to start Burrell. They don't even have to play him. I have about zero confidence in Castillo and I see adding more financial commitment for an old player to be a real issue. The money which changes hands could make a big difference.

EDIT: I thought Burrell was cheaper than that so Castillo seems less bad in comparison.
   34. Andere Richtingen Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3405627)
Castillo's defense may blow, but he can still get on base.

His defense blew in 2009, but prior to that he was okay. Was his poor showing in 2009 a permanent effect of his injuries, or something else, or will he bounce back? I don't trust one year of defensive stats.
   35. Repoz Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3405628)
I don't believe he is a sportswriter.

Then it's definitely true!

thanks Tim.
   36. Spahn Insane Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3405630)
"Milton/Burrell." Heh.
   37. zonk Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3405631)
Adding Castillo and Cameron should put the Cubs in a decent "one last gasp" position for 2010... I'm still puzzled why they didn't even bother with an arbitration offer to Harden - the rotation comes up a bit short in my mind without him or someone of the Randy Wolf variety.

That's an awfully old team, though -- 2011 would be pretty damn ugly... 5 regulars age 34 or older (Lee - assuming he's resigned; Fukudome, Cameron, Castillo, Soriano), another 2 that are on the wrong side of 30 (Theriot, A-Ram).

I would expect Hendry is hoping to get 1984-esque swan songs from a number of veterans and thinks he can add a pitcher in-season.
   38. The District Attorney Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3405633)
Was [Castillo's] poor showing in 2009 a permanent effect of his injuries, or something else, or will he bounce back? I don't trust one year of defensive stats.
Well, he looked much worse in '08, if that helps any.

Happy about this as a Met fan, although I have no clue who's gonna play 2B, but we needed a bat in either LF/1B and I do think Burrell can be that (although Lord knows he wasn't last year.)
   39. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3405639)
Hopefully Burrell can bounce back.

Who plays second? Hudson's a FA, right?
   40. Howie Menckel Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3405640)
from Metsblog.com

Posted at 11:51 am:

There is a report online, from a questionable source, suggesting the Mets were part of a three-way trade this morning.

However, no other outlet is reporting such a transaction; and I, and others, see no evidence yet that such a deal was agreed upon.
   41. Raskolnikov Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3405642)
On first impression, I love the deal. Burrell is the RH power bat that can be slotted into 1B or LF, and he fits the team's needs very well. Now the Mets need to get some frontline starting pitching.
   42. Repoz Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3405646)
From Joel Sherman's latest twitter...

#Mets officials say nothing up with Burrell.
   43. zonk Posted: December 07, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3405647)
2/12 is eatable - especially considering it would really be 1/6, when you consider Castillo would the 'answer' in 2010 whether it blows up or not. The Cubs are too hamstrung financially to have any sort of reasonable 2B backup plan in 2010 beyond that of the Baker flotsam variety. They'll sink or swim with Castillo in 2010, and after that -- it's basically at worst, a waste of the Aaron Miles variety.

The salary blackhole plays LF, and it's so enormous and engulfing that no other contractual complaints can escape its suckitational pull.
   44. Tripon Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:00 PM (#3405648)
That's because the people behind Metsblog aren't hooked up! Seriously though, they just said that they have crap sources so they can't refute it themselves.
   45. Spahn Insane Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:00 PM (#3405649)
Adding Castillo and Cameron should put the Cubs in a decent "one last gasp" position for 2010

Which is probably what they ought to be doing, under the circumstances. 2011-12 looks to be pretty ugly regardless of what else happens.
   46. Spahn Insane Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:03 PM (#3405651)
I have to say, a 3-way trade involving flawed, aging players going between the Mets and Cubs could spawn unparalleled fear and loathing among the relevant BBTF fan bases. Replacing the Rays with the Pirates or someone would be the only way to improve on it.
   47. Repoz Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:04 PM (#3405652)
From NYT...

Ben Shpigel

Despite Philadelphia-area report, Pat Burrell IS NOT a Met. Totally bogus, says one team official.
   48. zonk Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:09 PM (#3405659)
Stop ruining the speculation!
   49. billyshears Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3405662)
I would not like this deal for the Mets were it true. Even if Burrell returned to form offensively, his defense significantly limits his value. If he doesn't regain almost all of his offensive value, he's useless. I hate Castillo, and I'd rather the Mets not have to pay him $12 mil for the next two years, but I think he's at least likely to provide a modicum of value. I'm not sure that is the case for Burrell.
   50. jwb Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:12 PM (#3405663)
I have no clue who's gonna play 2B
I was going to post something helpful and say that Alex Cora, Andy Green, and Anderson Hernandez are on the 40-man, but it appears Luis Castillo is, too, so it's irrelevant.
   51. Sean Forman Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:19 PM (#3405673)
Pretty sure this is just Tom Haines misinterpreting the current rumors of three-team talks. I emailed him and have not heard back. I don't believe he is a sportswriter.


Tim,

How on earth do you have time to post on bbtf during the winter meetings?! I imagine you in your bunker with a Mountain Dew iv drip and a standing order for pizzas to be delivered every five hours.
   52. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:19 PM (#3405674)
Even if Burrell returned to form offensively, his defense significantly limits his value.

Not if he can become an only midly below average 1B.

If Burrell can get back to being a +20 bat, he can give up ~20 R's on defense/positional adjustment and still be a +2.0 WAR player. 1B is a -12.5 positional.
   53. billyshears Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:25 PM (#3405684)
If Burrell can get back to being a +20 bat, he can give up ~20 R's on defense/positional adjustment and still be a +2.0 WAR player. 1B is a -12.5 positional.


I'd rather take the chance on Delgado who was good while healthy in 2009 than on Burrell rebounding offensively and being adequate at a position he hasn't played since 2000.
   54. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:42 PM (#3405713)
He'll still only be 25 and his erratic performance and occasional benchings for lack of hustle suggest to me that he's still got some growing up to do.


Well, the problem with Bradley is not that he's lazy or undisciplined in his approach. It's that he's mad as a hatter. I don't know if insanity rubs off on people in quite that way.
   55. depletion Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:45 PM (#3405714)
Oh, and forget Burrell to #Mets - period. Source just said team not interested in him. Not in 3-way, not in any way. - David Lennon, Newsday -

I do not want him in a house
I do not want him with a mouse
I do not want him on a chair
I do not want him anywhere.
   56. Tripon Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:46 PM (#3405716)
If Burrell can get back to being a +20 bat, he can give up ~20 R's on defense/positional adjustment and still be a +2.0 WAR player. 1B is a -12.5 positional.


Just wondering, do we know the way we rank positional defense is right? Is 1st base really that much worse off than left field?
   57. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:49 PM (#3405723)
Just wondering, do we know the way we rank positional defense is right? Is 1st base really that much worse off than left field?

It's only 5 runs different, -7.5 vs. -12.5. I think Tango has written something on how he does it; basically how players that move/split time between positions do.
   58. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:51 PM (#3405725)
I do not want him in a house
I do not want him with a mouse
I do not want him on a chair
I do not want him anywhere.


I would not take him for a Geo
I would not take him for Castillo
I do not want to give him a whirl
I do not like this Pat Burrell!
   59. hokieneer Posted: December 07, 2009 at 06:59 PM (#3405735)
Not if he can become an only midly below average 1B

My last year of playing strat-o-matic was the 2007 card set. I had Pat the Bat on my team. About half way through the season I moved him from LF (which was his only position) to firstbase. Sure he had to have the worst 1b Defense possible, but it took his awful D out of left and allowed me to put a better player in Of (I believe it was Hunter Pence). I was getting killed with Burrell-Hawpe as my corner OFs
   60. HowardMegdal Posted: December 07, 2009 at 07:25 PM (#3405782)
Ha! Sean Forman asking how someone has time to build a world-class baseball site AND post on BTF. That's rich.
   61. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 07, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3405845)
I was getting killed with Burrell-Hawpe as my corner OFs

That's some sorrowful corner OFing.
On a related note, MLB had a 1984 Cards/Cubs game on yesterday. I stopped by long enough to see Willie McGee triple on a looper to RF -- being manned by Keith Moreland. It was funny to watch Moreland try to run to the corner. Somehow McGee only got a triple.
   62. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 07, 2009 at 09:00 PM (#3405893)
   63. The District Attorney Posted: December 07, 2009 at 09:05 PM (#3405896)
To be clear: #Mets and Edwin Jackson not confirmed. Heard in the lobby
Okay, then.

EDIT: Newsday's Ken Davidoff tweets:
#Mets official denies Edwin Jackson trade.
Even better.
   64. Nasty Nate Posted: December 07, 2009 at 09:10 PM (#3405900)
I don't use twitter, but every time I see something pasted from it, there are always lots of # symbols. why?
   65. Tripon Posted: December 07, 2009 at 09:26 PM (#3405920)
Anything by # can be searched by and linked upon.
   66. Nasty Nate Posted: December 07, 2009 at 09:30 PM (#3405926)
thanks. seems a lot clumsier than just having the link underlined like everywhere else on the internet.
   67. Tripon Posted: December 07, 2009 at 09:42 PM (#3405943)
The story in the link is deleted.
   68. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: December 07, 2009 at 10:15 PM (#3405978)
Somehow McGee only got a triple.


If it's THE game, he needed it for the cycle.
   69. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 07, 2009 at 10:29 PM (#3405986)
There's no reason to think Pat Burrell would be a particularly bad 1B. He wasn't bad for the half season the Phils put him at 1B. Then they traded for defense-first 1B Travis Lee, and moved Burrell to LF. Then they acquired MVP candidate Jim Thome to play 1B. Then they had MVP candidate Ryan Howard at 1B. Then last year, the Rays had MVP candidate Carlos Pena at 1B. If he was on a team that needed a first baseman, like the Mets or something, he would probably be a first baseman.
   70. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 07, 2009 at 10:39 PM (#3405997)
seems a lot clumsier than just having the link underlined like everywhere else on the internet.
pound signs are easier to implement for users working from, say, phones, however.
   71. Nasty Nate Posted: December 07, 2009 at 11:03 PM (#3406016)
oh, people actually enter in that pound sign? I figured it was self-populating like a web address self-underlining itself.
   72. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: December 08, 2009 at 01:22 AM (#3406096)
nah, it's pretty genius of a concept. I could say things like "Pretty #genius concept" and it would be searchable and only one extra character in a character-starved medium.

Characters are the outs of twitter!

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