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Friday, February 14, 2014

Pietrafesa: Hall of Fame should bend rule for Jeter to join Mo

Derek, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick, Tich & Mo: Don’t Bend It.

This is a plea to the Baseball Writers’ Association of America to bend the rules. It’s been done before, so do it again.

Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera deserve to be inducted together into the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 2019.

It’s the right thing to do. Jeter and Rivera came up through the New York Yankees organization together, won five World Series titles together with class on and off the field, and belong together on the stage in Cooperstown delivering their induction speeches on the same July day in 2019.

Yes, this will require bending the rules because a player must be out of the game for five years before being on the Hall of Fame ballot. Jeter and Rivera are deservedly both first-ballot Hall of Famers, but are slated to enter the hall one year apart if chosen on their respective first ballot.

So why not bend the rules? It’s been done before and for Yankee greats. Lou Gehrig — the only player on a special ballot — was elected in a special vote at the 1939 Winter Meetings because it was uncertain how much longer Gehrig would live with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis — now also known as Lou Gehrig’s Disease.

Joe DiMaggio was excluded when the five-year rule was introduced in 1954 because he was close to the 75 percent needed for election. He was elected in 1955 despite retiring in 1951.

...Jeter and Rivera only wore the Yankee uniform in the era of free agency and were never mentioned in conversations of using performance enhancement drugs.

Rivera was deserving of the attention on his farewell tour in 2013 and the same can be said for Jeter in 2014. They are great role models and ambassadors for Major League Baseball.

They’re definite first-ballot hall of famers, but baseball and the writers should do this duo justice by inducting them together into the Baseball Hall of Fame Class of 2019.

Repoz Posted: February 14, 2014 at 05:20 AM | 100 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cooper Nielson Posted: February 14, 2014 at 06:25 AM (#4656726)
Yes, it would absolutely destroy the sanctity and the integrity of the Hall of Fame if they do not allow Rivera and Jeter to enter together.
   2. Barnaby Jones Posted: February 14, 2014 at 06:35 AM (#4656727)
So why not bend the rules? It’s been done before and for Yankee greats. Lou Gehrig — the only player on a special ballot — was elected in a special vote at the 1939 Winter Meetings because it was uncertain how much longer Gehrig would live with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis — now also known as Lou Gehrig’s Disease.


A very analogous situation.
   3. Jim Wisinski Posted: February 14, 2014 at 06:37 AM (#4656728)
#### you
   4. villageidiom Posted: February 14, 2014 at 07:23 AM (#4656731)
If Jeter wants to enter with Mo, he should retire now. EDIT: Or die.

And if you are a HoF voter who wants them to enter together, don't vote for Mo in his first year.

   5. John Northey Posted: February 14, 2014 at 07:40 AM (#4656732)
Or if the Yankees want to make it so, bring back Rivera for one game in September and use him as a pinch runner or hitter (thus having his last mound appearance stay the same). Heh - have Mo come in defensively for Jeter in Jeter's final game...now that would be fun.
   6. toratoratora Posted: February 14, 2014 at 07:47 AM (#4656733)
Oh jeez, this incessant fluffery is unbecoming and this train hasn't even left the station.

Jetes was a nice SS,not a freaking Saint.

Besides, if the Captain really wanted this to occur, he could arrange to die in a charity related plane crash or succumb to a fatal,little known, disease.
That's how ya skip the waiting period.
   7. villageidiom Posted: February 14, 2014 at 07:50 AM (#4656734)
But trips to the induction ceremony in consecutive years would be too inconvenient for people in New York.
   8. Andy McGeady Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:05 AM (#4656736)
Ridiculous article.
   9. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:25 AM (#4656738)
Jetes was a nice SS,not a freaking Saint.


I have it on good theological authority that praying to a Derek Jeter bobblehead is just as likely to invoke divine intervention as praying to a statue of any saint. Since Mr. Jeter was also a New York Yankee, I'd say that makes him better than a saint.
   10. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:37 AM (#4656739)
Or the writers could elect Rivera in his second year of eligibility. There's that too.
   11. JE (Jason) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:41 AM (#4656741)
But trips to the induction ceremony in consecutive years would be too inconvenient for people in New York.

Or look at it from another perspective: If you're Bruce Markusen, do you want Yankee Redneck coming to town on consecutive summers to crash on your sofa, raid the fridge, and terrorize the family dog?
   12. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:43 AM (#4656742)
I've got a strong feeling that this so-called "Dan Pietrafesa" is really the wily Repoz in one of his many clever disguises. After all, cui buono? and all that, and in terms of provoking a reaction this is like dangling a hot co-worker in front of Sugar Bear's boner machine.
   13. Bruce Markusen Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:48 AM (#4656743)
Cooperstown can use as much business as possible, so Rivera and Jeter in back-to-back years would be just fine.
   14. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4656744)
Or look at it from another perspective: If you're Bruce Markusen, do you want Yankee Redneck coming to town on consecutive summers to crash on your sofa, raid the fridge, and terrorize the family dog?


Fear not Bruce, I'm living in Albany!
   15. Textbook Editor Posted: February 14, 2014 at 08:57 AM (#4656745)
Yup, we have at least 7-1/2 more months of this kinda stuff to go.
   16. Lassus Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4656746)
Yup, we have at least 7-1/2 more months six years of this kinda stuff to go.
   17. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:09 AM (#4656747)
THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!
   18. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4656748)
(barf)
   19. TJ Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4656749)
Heh - have Mo come in defensively for Jeter in Jeter's final game...now that would be fun.
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It would improve the Yanks defensive range at shortstop at least...
   20. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4656751)
The thing that gets me about this is as a fan I would prefer my favorite player wait out the waiting period. Let there be some time between retirement and induction then have the opportunity to celebrate the player's career all over again. Also, if I were a Jeter fan I'd rather have him going in on his own rather than marrying him with Mariano. For example the Red Sox team Hall of Fame this year has Pedro, NOmar and Roger all going in at the same time. Great class but all three guys have a place in Red Sox history that makes them deserving of their own day in my opinion.
   21. Scott Ross Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:35 AM (#4656753)
They should put Mo, Jeter, Jorge and Pettitte together on the ballot as one choice, preemptively declare their selection unanimous and then announce the Hall is full and no more are inductions are necessary.
   22. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:40 AM (#4656754)
If anything, I'd think you'd want them going in back-to-back years so the Yankees can space out the publicity/marketing and make a big deal about it two years in a row.
   23. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4656756)
Back-to-back years with Yankee icons going in virtually through acclimation is just what the folks in Cooperstown want. The marginal value, in terms of additional people who will attend Induction Weekend if they both go in at the same time is probably pretty small. If you are planning to go for Rivera, you are probably going the next year for Jeter. I'm not more likely to go to Cooperstown in Rivera's year because Jeter is going, too...but I've got Yankee fan friends who are probably booking hotels for those two years this morning...
   24. zonk Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4656759)
Only if their plaques will show them kissing each other.
   25. AndrewJ Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4656760)
Back-to-back years with Yankee icons going in virtually through acclimation is just what the folks in Cooperstown want.


This FTW.
   26. villageidiom Posted: February 14, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4656763)
What other concessions should we make to Jeter's glory?

Let's put the ball on a tee when he bats, so he has a better chance at getting 4,000 hits before the season ends.

Let's just give the Yankees a bye all the way through the playoffs, so Jeter can get another ring.

Let's give the Yankees 162 home games this year so Yankees fans have more opportunities to say farewell.

Let's rename it Jeter Stadium. Hell, let's rename all the stadia.

Let's award him the MVP, Cy Young, Nobel prizes for peace, economics, and chemistry, the Peabody award, the Medal of Honor, a Caldecott medal, and the pole position at Daytona.

Let's put him on a box of Wheaties, Corn Flakes, Cap'n Crunch, Honey Smacks, Kashi, Honey Bunches of Oats, and Jeter-O's, a new cereal made with little bits of Jeter so you know it's good.
   27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM (#4656764)
Back-to-back years with Yankee icons going in virtually through acclimation is just what the folks in Cooperstown want.


I bet the shopkeepers and restaurant owners and hotel operators of Otsego County are already planning to storm the offices of the Poughkeepsie Journal demanding a retraction, lest anyone get any ideas.
   28. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM (#4656765)
The MVP award will be called the Derek Jeter award, and no one will ever be deemed worthy enough to win it.
   29. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM (#4656768)
Given that the top 4 threads at this point all concern Jeter, we should just get it over with and rename BTF into The Jeter Think Factory.
   30. zonk Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4656770)
Given that the top 4 threads at this point all concern Jeter, we should just get it over with and rename BTF into The Jeter Think Factory.


Jim still hasn't completed the DNS switch over to the Mariano River Think Factory!
   31. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4656773)
I've got Yankee fan friends who are probably booking hotels for those two years this morning...


Is that even legal?
   32. AndrewJ Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM (#4656774)
What other concessions should we make to Jeter's glory?

Replace "two" -- hell, replace "to" and "too" while we're at it -- with "Jeter."
   33. zonk Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM (#4656777)
Replace? We should retire the number 2.

Not the uniform, mind you, the number in total. Lots of work to do here -- the theoretical mathematicians have their work cut out for them and then we have a ton of work to do redoing everything from computers to calendars -- but it seems like the least we could do.
   34. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4656778)
Who is going to be the first person to write an article advocating that #2 be retired throughout the game? "In an era when cheating was rampant Derek Jeter upheld the ideals of America, fair play, hard work, dedication, and that should be honored."
   35. jdennis Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:20 AM (#4656781)
Surely one of the months can be renamed for Jeter. Right now they are all named after Roman jerks.
   36. Howie Menckel Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4656783)

As for Smoltz - well, he'll have to sit out the Maddux/Glavine lovefest. This stuff only works for Yankees.

Plus it makes much more sense to bend the rules for a closer who pitches 2-3 times a week to go in with a shortstop, as opposed to all three members of the greatest starting pitching trio in baseball history to go in together.

   37. Swoboda is freedom Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM (#4656785)
Surely one of the months can be renamed for Jeter. Right now they are all named after Roman jerks.

Clearly it would have to be February, because that is the second month. However, it is the shortest month, so some days from other months will need to be added to February. Take a day from January and March to make it 30 days. Least we could do.
   38. JE (Jason) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4656786)
Who is going to be the first person to write an article advocating that #2 be retired throughout the game? "In an era when cheating was rampant Derek Jeter upheld the ideals of America, fair play, hard work, dedication, and that should be honored."

Find out on The Sports Reporters this Sunday morning on ESPN and ESPN2.
   39. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4656787)
Of course, Smoltz himself spent four years as a closer who pitched 2-3 times a week.

Anyway, this bozo writes for an upstate NY newspaper, so yeah, this stuff only works for Yankees. I guess Georgia needs to work on breeding better bozos.
   40. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4656790)
I guess Georgia needs to work on breeding better bozos.


I always figured Sam was bozo enough not just for Georgia, but for most of the Southeast.

   41. JE (Jason) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4656791)
Clearly it would have to be February, because that is the second month. However, it is the shortest month, so some days from other months will need to be added to February. Take a day from January and March to make it 30 days. Least we could do.

Speaking of which, has Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton ever criticized the decision to have Black History Month in February?
   42. TJ Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4656793)
What other concessions should we make to Jeter's glory?


Rename shortstop "Jeter's Place".

Change the scorekeeping numbers- Shortstop will now be "2", and catcher has to change to "6".

All living shortstops, past and present, now have to add the phrase "I'm no Derek Jeter" when signing autographs, including you, Cal Ripken Jr. ("I'm no Derek Jeter")and pay Jeter a royalty if they get paid for the autograph.

   43. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4656795)
Replace? We should retire the number 2.

Not the uniform, mind you, the number in total. Lots of work to do here -- the theoretical mathematicians have their work cut out for them and then we have a ton of work to do redoing everything from computers to calendars -- but it seems like the least we could do.


I am looking forward to Jeter-o-clock, a quarter to Jeter, and half past Jeter. Well, that last one we got plenty of during his playing day, but it would be a nice reminder.



   44. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4656796)
Obviously, the verb "fellatio" must be renamed to "Jeter." Or maybe "Jeterize."
   45. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4656798)
Who is going to be the first person to write an article advocating that #2 be retired throughout the game? "In an era when cheating was rampant Derek Jeter upheld the ideals of America, fair play, hard work, dedication, and that should be honored."

Find out on The Sports Reporters this Sunday morning on ESPN and ESPNJeter.


FTFY
   46. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 14, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4656803)
They should rename it "The Derek Jeter Hall of Fame."

And no one in major league baseball should ever wear #2 again. It just wouldn't be right.
   47. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4656808)
Back-to-back years with Yankee icons going in virtually through acclimation is just what the folks in Cooperstown want.

Is the weather in Cooperstown that much different than NYC in the summer?
   48. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4656809)

Even more need for Piazza to go in the HOF soon. Please don't let him hang around ~70% for a few years, only to have his induction overshadowed by Yankees (although it would be a fitting throwback for late-90s Mets fans).
   49. Lassus Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4656811)
test

Hmmm... surprised that didn't work.
   50. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4656812)
Italics are appropriate for a Jeter thread. They lean to the right and leave a lot of space to the left.
   51. villageidiom Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4656816)
</i>We should rename the italics button for Jeter.
   52. donlock Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4656820)
Is this another New York thing?
   53. jmurph Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4656830)
I never understand how these italics mistakes happen. Don't you guys just use the "i" button? I don't get it.
   54. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4656835)
"Hall of Fame should move Jeter's eligibility up so they can turn two big attendance induction ceremonies into only one big attendance induction ceremony (with no increase in attendance, because they're both Yankees)"

Am I getting this right?
   55. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: February 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4656842)
Just don't vote Mo in on the first ballot. Done deal.
   56. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4656846)
Just don't vote Mo in on the first ballot. Done deal.

He shouldn't go in on the first ballot anyway. Pampered, niche role -- the equivalent of 5-6 starter seasons' IP. Failed starter, likely would have been barely able to even carve out a career pre-1990. Entirely a creation of time and place, not timeless and universal.

Hardly first ballot timber.
   57. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4656849)
Just don't vote Mo in on the first ballot. Done deal.

He shouldn't go in on the first ballot anyway.


He should probably be inducted automatically as the best ever to fill the role, but I'm not a fan of changing rules on the fly.
   58. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4656853)
I only thought I was being snarky when I wrote in the Schoenfield/Jeter defense thread yesterday

It is a national tragedy that St. Derek will have to wait five years before Hall of Fame enshrinement, just like so many other run-of-the-mill first-ballot Hall of Famers. I hope the Hall will see fit to do the right thing and waive that whole waiting period nonsense on Captain Clutch's behalf.

Little did I know a sports "journalist" would actually run with the idea.
   59. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4656855)
Clearly it would have to be February, because that is the second month.

While we're at it, November should be renamed Mister November enabling America to scrap that whole Pilgrims/Indians nonsense for Thanksgiving and replace it with a day-long nationwide tribute to the Yankee Captain.
   60. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4656858)
It should also be noted that the idea that Jeter was "clean" is entirely speculative. We do know that he played in a clubhouse filled with roiders, for an organization that had no compunction employing roiders -- see, e.g., the Giambi roid clause cross-out.
   61. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM (#4656864)
It should also be noted that the idea that Jeter was "clean" is entirely speculative.


He's the cleanest player in baseball. If there was but a whiff of chicanery about Derek Jeter, Bud Selig and George Mitchell would have spared no expense bribing and cajoling people for even the flimsiest evidence. A steroid-tainted Derek Jeter is Bud Selig's white whale, the most popular player on baseball's most popular and successful franchise.
   62. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4656866)
Just don't vote Mo in on the first ballot. Done deal.


He shouldn't go in on the first ballot anyway. Pampered, niche role -- the equivalent of 5-6 starter seasons' IP. Failed starter, likely would have been barely able to even carve out a career pre-1990. Entirely a creation of time and place, not timeless and universal.

Hardly first ballot timber.


I've met Ray (RDP), and SugarBear Blanks, you're no Ray (RDP).
   63. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4656867)
So why not bend the rules? It’s been done before and for Yankee greats. Lou Gehrig — the only player on a special ballot — was elected in a special vote at the 1939 Winter Meetings because it was uncertain how much longer Gehrig would live with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis — now also known as Lou Gehrig’s Disease.]

But did Gehrig give his disease to Jessica Alba's great-grandmother?
   64. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4656868)
If Jackie had to wait 5 years, so does Jetes.

I do think it is interesting that the media is absolutely sure that Jeter is clean. I'm 98% sure, but it's tough to say with an sort of certainty that he didn't do it.
   65. JE (Jason) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4656876)
If there was but a whiff of chicanery about Derek Jeter, Bud Selig and George Mitchell would have spared no expense bribing and cajoling people for even the flimsiest evidence. A steroid-tainted Derek Jeter is Bud Selig's white whale, the most popular player on baseball's most popular and successful franchise.

Puh-leeze. Selig reserves the bribing and cajoling only for those stars who threaten Hank Aaron's 755.
   66. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 14, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4656888)
Puh-leeze. Selig reserves the bribing and cajoling only for those stars who threaten Hank Aaron's 755.

Right, like Barry and A-Rod.
   67. John Northey Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4656898)
Just thinking about hit records. Shame that Jeter was hurt last year as I was hoping for him to reach Rose (or for someone to pass Rose, don't care who) just because I am sick of Pete Rose 'hit king'.

So he is #10 all time, with 3316. #9 (Molitor) is just 3 hits away. Yaz 103 hits. Wagner 104, and Anson 119 away. Those all are reachable targets for Jeter and would get him to #6 all-time. #5 is Tris Speaker but that would require 198 hits (possible, but unlikely). The top 4 are all out of reach (over 300 hits away). 43 runs scored and he ties A-Rod for 10th all-time.

Btw, checking records I noticed the active leader in Stolen Bases is Juan Pierre (hopefully his career is over) at 614 then Ichiro with 472 - both less than 1/2 way to the leader while Pierre would need to steal 300 more to move into 3rd place all-time. By seasons end both could be retired along with Jeter. Wonder what that HOF year would be like - Jeter & Ichiro. Of course, I hope Ichiro hangs on for another year or two and gets to 3000 hits (258 away). The HOF would love that - Rivera one year, Jeter the next and Ichiro the next would ensure very big crowds for 3 straight years.

So HOF likely...
2015: Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Craig Biggio (he has to make it this time right?)
2016: Griffey Jr, maybe Piazza and/or Bagwell and/or Raines (speaking of stolen bases)
2017: Clearing house year as I-Rod, ManRam both have PED issues and I don't see Vladmir making it year one (or via writers). John Smoltz, Curt Schilling, and others have a good shot here.
2018: Chipper Jones, Jim Thome while Scott Rolen gets ignored
2019: Rivera
2020: Jeter
2021: Ichiro maybe

Meanwhile, in sad news, we'll have to put up with Selig getting in at some point during that stretch. Ick. Hope lots of booing occurs.
   68. JE (Jason) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4656901)
Joe DiMaggio was excluded when the five-year rule was introduced in 1954 because he was close to the 75 percent needed for election. He was elected in 1955 despite retiring in 1951.

So frickin' what? DiMaggio had been on the 1953 and 1954 ballots so he was grandfathered in when the five-year waiting rule was instituted for 1955. The extraordinary decision would have been not allowing Joe D to remain on the ballot.
   69. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4656904)
I've met Ray (RDP), and SugarBear Blanks, you're no Ray (RDP).

The Yankee clubhouse was filled to overflowing with roiding stars during Jeter's prime. Giambi basically told King George, "I roid." And King George said, "Fine ... where do I sign?"

Is there any real reason to believe Jeter didn't go where all his peers went ... beyond Rain Man-esque Yankee fanboy slurpetry?
   70. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4656906)
Obviously, the verb "fellatio" must be renamed to "Jeter." Or maybe "Jeterize."


It's a noun; you're doing it wrong.
   71. His Clutchness, The Just Pasha Diving Jeter Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4656908)
Fellas...

I am so honored to see what you all think of me.

Renaming February? Retiring an entire number? I just can't accept, but I truly appreciate it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to plow a couple smoking babes. Which one of you has the hottest girlfriend?
   72. JE (Jason) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4656909)
   73. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4656910)
In honor of Jeter's most prolific accomplishments, Valtrex should be renamed "Number 2", and ladies should be required to say "Thanks, Derek" or "I've been twoed!" when ordering it.
   74. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4656911)
Is there any real reason to believe Jeter didn't go where all his peers went ... beyond Rain Man-esque Yankee fanboy slurpetry?


Because the Yankees are the most-investigated team in baseball. Bud Selig hates the Yankees. Bud Selig hand-picked a member of the Red Sox franchise to investigate them. Bud Selig has bribed witnesses to testify against Yankee players.

Derek Jeter is Bud Selig's white whale, George Mitchell his Queequeg, but no amount of forged steel or purloined doubloons nailed to the mainmast could get his him quarry. Bud will go to Davy Jones' locker unfulfilled, with only his massive wealth to salve his failed ambition.
   75. BDC Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4656915)
Is there any real reason to believe Jeter didn't go where all his peers went

None except that, nice guy though he may be, there would be tremendous temptation for somebody – teammate, writer, supplier – to out Jeter as a juicer, just for the awful thrill of it. That proves no negatives; it's just another factor that lines up in the absence of positives. I mean, Canseco was his teammate, at least for a few weeks. Would any gift basket on earth have stopped Canseco from naming Jeter's name?
   76. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4656919)
Is there any real reason to believe Jeter didn't go where all his peers went


He spent about half of his career in the testing/investigative era, and at no point has he been dinged in any way. That's a real reason.
   77. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4656920)
Bud Selig has bribed witnesses to testify against Yankee players.

Yeah ... the ones everybody hates. He never would have gone after Jeter like he went after A-Rod.
   78. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4656921)
It's a noun; you're doing it wrong.


Of course. *sigh* Not enough caffeine at that point ...
   79. DL from MN Posted: February 14, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4656941)
How about just naming it Derek Jeter League Baseball?
   80. JE (Jason) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4656946)
Here's Craig on Jeter and PEDs:
I have zero reason to think that Derek Jeter ever used PEDs. I’d personally be surprised if he did. As would I assume most people. But I also think that his use or lack thereof, absent any actual information about it, is pretty irrelevant to our consideration of him as a player. There’s plenty there to consider about the guy. God knows we’ve done a lot of that here in the past 24 hours or so.

But there are some people for whom Jeter’s actual track record is not enough. Some people for whom Jeter must be used as an avatar to fight the dragons and demons with which they preoccupy themselves. Bob Klapisch, for example. Who spends about half of his Jeter appreciation column going after PED users in general and Alex Rodriguez specifically.

Not only has Jeter served as the billboard of the beautiful war with the Red Sox, he has stood for success without chemicals, without the PEDs that Alex Rodriguez became so hopelessly addicted to. . . That would be Jeter’s last laugh on the steroid junkies, outlasting them all, outperforming their beloved chemicals.

Last laugh for Jeter, or for you, Bob? Because I recall absolutely zero instances of Derek Jeter inserting himself into a leadership or example role in the PED conversation the way you’d cast him now. If he had strong feelings about it he kept them to himself, just as he’s kept everything of actual substance to himself over the years.

In recent years Jeter has said all the right things — broad things — about cheating being bad. But in the past he also said things about supporting his teammates like Roger Clemens, Jason Giambi and, yes, Alex Rodriguez. At no time did he stand up in a union meeting in, say, 1999 and demand that the players submit to drug testing. He was like most other players who have not had PED suspicion about him: generally silent, but supportive of the way in which the conversation has progressed. He is not at all an outspoken leader like some other players. Rick Helling stood for success without chemicals, quite vocally. Jeter, as with most things, was cooler about it.
   81. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 14, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4656951)
I never understand how these italics mistakes happen. Don't you guys just use the "i" button? I don't get it.

Apologies, I always use the <i>con, but upon looking at the source through EDIT, I must have deleted the the slash in the second [ em ]. I could use the excuse that I was distracted by work, I suppose.

Heh, I almost did it again but decided to preview, when I realized that I had better place spaces around the word em. WHEW!
   82. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 14, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4656959)
But there are some people for whom Jeter’s actual track record is not enough. Some people for whom Jeter must be used as an avatar to fight the dragons and demons with which they preoccupy themselves.


And there is also, of course, the mirror image of this phenomenon. On prominent display in this very thread as it happens.
   83. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 14, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4656961)
And there is also, of course, the mirror image of this phenomenon. On prominent display in this very thread as it happens.

The entire premise underpinning the slurpetry is a 50-50 proposition or so.

Again applying the relevant test ... the Anton Chugurh coin flip test -- right you live, wrong you don't -- I'd say yes. Don't even have to think long. I simply don't buy that Jeter's never dabbled. Possible. Not likely.
   84. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 14, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4656971)
I wasn't talking so mucha about PED-speculation, but about the whole "use him as an avatar" thing in general. It apparently pisses some people off to see Jeter held up as a positive example of anything, yet those same people have no qualms about trying to use him as a negative example of everything.
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: February 14, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4656990)
He's the cleanest player in baseball. If there was but a whiff of chicanery about Derek Jeter, Bud Selig and George Mitchell would have spared no expense bribing and cajoling people for even the flimsiest evidence. A steroid-tainted Derek Jeter is Bud Selig's white whale, the most popular player on baseball's most popular and successful franchise.


Good joke....at least I hope it was, because if there was anything serious in that paragraph, I feel sorry for your offspring who are being born with an utter inability to rationalize.

I think Jeter is clean, mostly because he is so careful about his image, but to say he is the cleanest in baseball, is an utter joke.

   86. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 14, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4656992)
How about just naming it Derek Jeter League Baseball?

Food service and clubhouse/pressbox catering leaguewide should be provided exclusively by Derek Jeter's Taco Hole.
   87. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 14, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4656996)
From now on, defecating will no longer be known as a "Number Two." It will henceforth be referred to as "a rod," as in "floating a rod" or "pinching off a rod."
   88. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 14, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4657002)
A lazy columnist makes an attention-seeking, silly proposal. Almost as silly as the over-reaction to it. You guys need to to calm down or you're going to be worn out before Jeter is named the next Commissioner of Baseball.
   89. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4657054)
Right. Because the rules aren't bent enough for the Yankees. #adidasdeal #JeffreyMaier
   90. SG Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4657057)
#JeffreyMaier


That was 18 years ago. It may be time to get over it.
   91. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:15 PM (#4657062)
That was 18 years ago. It may be time to get over it.

Throwing snowballs at Santa is 45 years ago; 18 years is nothing.
   92. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4657070)
Good joke....at least I hope it was, because if there was anything serious in that paragraph, I feel sorry for your offspring who are being born with an utter inability to rationalize.


My offspring were born with excellent cognitive abilities and rapidly developing jiu-jitsu skills. You offspring be wise stay respectful my fren.

I think Jeter is clean, mostly because he is so careful about his image, but to say he is the cleanest in baseball, is an utter joke.


Why are you looking on BBTF when the joke is in your hand?
   93. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4657073)
Right. Because the rules aren't bent enough for the Yankees.


It isn't the Yankees fault the Mets are a crappy woebegone franchise with dwindling value and an ugly fanbase. Stop hatin'
   94. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4657082)
and an ugly fanbase

Aren't the Yankees the team that has Homeless Santa Claus sitting in an A+ seat behind home plate, every game?

Which is not to say that the Bronx doesn't have a history of filling the stands with sexy eye candy. Well, sexy no-eye candy.
   95. Howie Menckel Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4657092)

I will accept this request if we also get Piazza and Clemens - and no one else - inducted in the same year
   96. Karl from NY Posted: February 14, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4657099)
The MVP award will be called the Derek Jeter award, and no one will ever be deemed worthy enough to win it.

Bud Selig To Accept Inaugural Derek Jeter Award

Italics are appropriate for a Jeter thread. They lean to the right and leave a lot of space to the left.

I'm still chuckling at that one ten minutes later.
   97. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 14, 2014 at 05:00 PM (#4657100)
Why you wanna make Mike wait til 2020?
   98. AndrewJ Posted: February 14, 2014 at 06:04 PM (#4657125)
Jeter isn't next to godliness. He's way above it.
   99. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4657166)
Aren't the Yankees the team that has Homeless Santa Claus sitting in an A+ seat behind home plate, every game?


He's not homeless, he just wants to get some Santa-time away from Mrs. Claus.

And RIP Freddy, the coolest person to ever appear in a House of Pain video.
   100. Hank G. Posted: February 15, 2014 at 02:45 AM (#4657247)
Seems to me that the logical thing to do would be to hold a special election so that Jeter could be inducted right now, allowing him to play his final season as the only active HOF player.

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