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Thursday, May 18, 2017

Pillar, Bautista apologetic after bench-clearing incidents

Blue Jays outfielders Kevin Pillar and Jose Bautista were both apologetic on Wednesday night after they were involved in on-field incidents that twice cleared the benches against the Atlanta Braves.
In the top of the seventh inning, Jason Motte struck out Pillar to end the inning. After his swing and miss, Pillar said something to Motte as the pitcher headed for the dugout and despite there being no physical aggression, both benches cleared.
Speaking to reporters after the game, Pillar called the moment “stupid and immature.”
“I think it just stems from a little frustration in myself and just the way this series has been going,” Pillar told reporters after the game. “Obviously I’m going to do whatever I’ve got to do to reach out and apologize and let (Motte) know he didn’t do anything wrong. It was all me.”
In the eighth inning with the Blue Jays down 8-3, Bautista hit a solo home run and flipped his bat after connecting off Eric O’Flaherty. Braves first baseman Jace Peterson said something to Bautista as he rounded the base and the Jays’ slugger briefly stopped before continuing toward second. Atlanta catcher Kurt Suzuki also had some words when Bautista arrived at home plate and the two dugouts to emptied once again.
Again, no punches were thrown.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 09:25 AM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. wjones Posted: May 18, 2017 at 09:58 AM (#5458261)
Blue Jays hit 7 Braves batters, the last being quite possibly a long-term injury to Freeman. Blue Jays respond by getting angry at the Braves. Unbelievable.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:07 AM (#5458271)
Pillar also allegedly used a homophobic slur that rhymes with bag.
   3. Paul d mobile Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:12 AM (#5458276)
1 - do you think that any of the hit batters were intentional? They all looked accidental, particularly the Freeman pitch, no?
   4. jmurph Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:13 AM (#5458279)
I'm totally fine with bat flips and other celebrations... unless you're currently a sub-replacement level player.
   5. AROM Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:18 AM (#5458283)
Cutting the other team's lead from 4 to 3 runs in the 9th doesn't seem like something typically celebrated either.
   6. wjones Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM (#5458290)
1 - do you think that any of the hit batters were intentional? They all looked accidental, particularly the Freeman pitch, no?

Hard to say. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, and it appeared the only time the Braves retaliated was after the Freeman pitch. But 7 times? Damn! If they were all accidental, they need to work with them, or more aggressive teams (like the Sox when Manny appeared to do an innocent slide) will cause some really fierce brawls.

At any rate, whether you did it intentional or not, you'd best not fan the flames AFTER you knock out the other team's star by yelling slurs at a pitcher who had the nerve to strike you out, or doing the bat flip thing when you deliver that clutch homer that brings your team within 4 runs.
   7. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:41 AM (#5458297)
Pillar also allegedly used a homophobic slur that rhymes with bag.


Reportedly Manfred is considering looking into Pillar's comments. Potentially considering a suspension?
   8. dlf Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:46 AM (#5458301)
Blue Jays respond by getting angry at the Braves. Unbelievable.


I'm a Braves fan and was watching last night. Pillar did seem to get mad that Motte quasi-quick pitched him, but that was diffused immediately and his quotes after the game acknowledged that he was wrong.

Batista's bat flip was silly being down by five in a largely meaningless game between two non-rivals early in the season, but again, he appeared to apologize immediately upon rounding the bases and his after-game quotes didn't show any anger towards Atlanta. Oh yeah, the line in the story about Bats "briefly stopping" his HR trot are just not accurate - he broke stride and took a little hop step when Jace called him out rounding first but there was no stopping at all.

I get being frustrated about all the HBP, particularly the one that may knock Freddie out for a while. But taking offense at a bat flip is, in my not very humble opinion, stupid. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun. No need to go all Brian McCann on those who dare desecrate it. If I ever hit a ball over the fence, I'd do a somersault at first, a Belushi-like cartwheel at second, moon walk my way into third, and slide into home, maybe, like Jimmy Piersall, going around the whole thing backwards.
   9. Brian C Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:53 AM (#5458305)
If I were a pitcher (or other opposing player), I just can't imagine my reaction to a bat flip being any stronger than, "OK dude, whatever." Hard to respect people who get offended so easily by such minor things, in life as well as baseball.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: May 18, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5458306)
But taking offense at a bat flip is, in my not very humble opinion, stupid.


Yeah, but if you're going to flip bats, you ought to be immune to other guys saying things to you. Now, when someone pulls a McCann and impedes a guy's progress around the bases, that's different. But just as a bat flip doesn't hurt anyone, neither does "drop your bat and run."

If they were all accidental, they need to work with them, or more aggressive teams (like the Sox when Manny appeared to do an innocent slide) will cause some really fierce brawls.


For the record, unlike the Braves, the super-aggressive Sox didn't hit anyone.
   11. wjones Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:00 AM (#5458310)
I get being frustrated about all the HBP, particularly the one that may knock Freddie out for a while. But taking offense at a bat flip is, in my not very humble opinion, stupid. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun. No need to go all Brian McCann on those who dare desecrate it. If I ever hit a ball over the fence, I'd do a somersault at first, a Belushi-like cartwheel at second, moon walk my way into third, and slide into home, maybe, like Jimmy Piersall, going around the whole thing backwards.


If you are playing the Red Sox, I'd probably avoid it. You might get a pitch in your ear, or at least an attempt, for 40 consecutive at bats.

If I were a pitcher (or other opposing player), I just can't imagine my reaction to a bat flip being any stronger than, "OK dude, whatever." Hard to respect people who get offended so easily by such minor things, in life as well as baseball.

That's easy to say in an isolated instance. But if your teammates have been hit 7 times already, and the 7th knocked out your best player, possibly for a long time, then another Blue Jay yells offensive slurs at another of your teammates for striking him out, then comes the bat flip after a pretty meaningless homer, well you might feel differently.
   12. wjones Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5458312)
For the record, unlike the Braves, the super-aggressive Sox didn't hit anyone.

So the mirror image of the Jays? Jays hit batters without trying, Sox can't hit batters no matter how hard they try.
   13. Greg K Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:07 AM (#5458319)
Yeah I'd say it was a frustration induced incident. Pillar struck out on a legal quick-pitch and got upset (likely more about losing their third game in a row to the Braves than striking out). Bautista then delivered a \"#### you" to those meanies that had cruelly struck out his team-mate.

It's funny that the thing that brought out both dugouts was Suzuki saying to Bautista "you're a dick" and Bautista saying "yeah, sorry about that".
   14. Jose is El Absurd Pollo Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:11 AM (#5458327)
Yeah, but if you're going to flip bats, you ought to be immune to other guys saying things to you. Now, when someone pulls a McCann and impedes a guy's progress around the bases, that's different. But just as a bat flip doesn't hurt anyone, neither does "drop your bat and run."


So much this.
   15. wjones Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:12 AM (#5458328)
It's funny that the thing that brought out both dugouts was Suzuki saying to Bautista "you're a dick" and Bautista saying "yeah, sorry about that".

That is hilarious!

They say the first step to tackling a problem is admitting to it.
   16. Greg K Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:14 AM (#5458329)
I suppose that is the advantage of a slow trot around the bases. You have time to reflect on your initial reaction to the home run and realize you were being a douche.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:26 AM (#5458347)

If I were a pitcher (or other opposing player), I just can't imagine my reaction to a bat flip being any stronger than, "OK dude, whatever."


I mean, I just got into a fight with my wife because she didn't rinse or soak her empty cereal bowl.
   18. Bug Selig Posted: May 18, 2017 at 11:58 AM (#5458408)
This is a game, it's supposed to be fun.
The bat flip body language was emphatically not "Yay! I did good!" It was much more toward the "That's right, #####\" end of the spectrum. Nothing fun about it. Jose Bautista is a red-ass narcissist who has never, does not currently, and will likely never promote fun.
   19. RJ in TO Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:02 PM (#5458414)
I mean, I just got into a fight with my wife because she didn't rinse or soak her empty cereal bowl.
This is incorrect. You just got into a fight with your wife because you're an idiot.

It's the same reason most of us get into fights with our wives.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:06 PM (#5458424)
This is incorrect. You just got into a fight with your wife because you're an idiot.

It's the same reason most of us get into fights with our wives.


Eh, wives are idiots just as often as husbands are. The modern stereotype of the bumbling husband, and the uber-competent wife needs to die already.
   21. dlf Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:07 PM (#5458428)
This is incorrect. You just got into a fight with your wife because you're an idiot.

It's the same reason most of us get into fights with our wives.


And our wives got married to us because they are idiots. What were they thinking to have married basement dwelling dweebs?!? (And mirror image for bbchick should she come visiting this particular thread.)
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:07 PM (#5458429)
@pgammo
One Brave veteran told a friend "we'll have a fight today" after Loup broke Freddie Freeman's hand
   23. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:24 PM (#5458467)
Maybe Bautista is just getting his ass-hattery out of his system. The Blue Jays play the Rangers next week.
   24. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM (#5458485)
21. dlf Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:07 PM (#5458428)

This is incorrect. You just got into a fight with your wife because you're an idiot.

It's the same reason most of us get into fights with our wives.



And our wives got married to us because they are idiots. What were they thinking to have married basement dwelling dweebs?!? (And mirror image for bbchick should she come visiting this particular thread.)


- grinning
no basements in houston

and i am not sure i qualify for dweeb

and we don't fight that much

but i would say there are always sore spots with every couple
and some scab over and some are brown recluse bites that only get worse and won't heal
   25. PreservedFish Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5458508)
I'm the competent one! I always rinse my cereal bowls! 4 seconds of effort now saves like 30 seconds of effort later.
   26. jmurph Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5458513)
The modern stereotype of the bumbling husband, and the uber-competent wife needs to die already.

I think this is only a thing in unfunny CBS sitcoms.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:01 PM (#5458517)

I think this is only a thing in unfunny CBS sitcoms.


And post [19] :-)
   28. RJ in TO Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5458543)
Nope, not at all. It was intended as a comment on how most of the fights husbands and wives get into are over stupid things that no one should bother fighting about, like an unwashed cereal bowl. As PreservedFish admitted he started the fight on that one, he gets to wear the idiot crown on that one too.
   29. PreservedFish Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5458546)
Oh, it's worth fighting about.
   30. RJ in TO Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:16 PM (#5458549)
You're really not helping your case here.
   31. Styles P. Deadball Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5458557)
I mean, I just got into a fight with my wife because she didn't rinse or soak her empty cereal bowl.


You're justified in throwing behind her tomorrow. She needs to learn to breakfast the right way. If you don't police the situation, who will?

/RedAss
   32. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:25 PM (#5458562)

I mean, I just got into a fight with my wife because she didn't rinse or soak her empty cereal bowl.


That's why I have my own cereal bowl that I wash and put away, so it's always there for me in the morning. She can deal with her own cereal dishes.
   33. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:43 PM (#5458595)
These two incidents were awfully small to cause benches to clear, and Manfred to look into it.
   34. RJ in TO Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:43 PM (#5458596)
Also, to get back to all the HBP in the series, it should be noted that three were by Bolsinger, who is only even in the majors because of the assorted injuries to the Jays. Given when he hit them, and the couple walks, and the 95 pitches to get through 4.2 innings, this seems more like an issue with him just not being very good, rather than him trying to hit batters. Two more of the HBP were by Loup - he's a guy who has hit an abnormal number of batters during his career (26 in 241.2 IP), but he's never struck me as a guy who was deliberately throwing at batters.

I didn't see the games, so I don't know how intentional any of them looked, but this seems to me to be more of a crappy pitchers pitching crappily problem, rather than an intent to injure.
   35. The Good Face Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:43 PM (#5458597)
Oh, it's worth fighting about.


Keep up the good fight. My wife has the unbreakable habit of using good kitchen knives and leaving them dirty and encrusted with food to dry on the counter. I've been on her about it for a good decade or so and I know she'll never change, but similarly I can never learn to let it go. Clean the ####### knives dammit!
   36. Lassus Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:48 PM (#5458599)
I mean, I just got into a fight with my wife because she didn't rinse or soak her empty cereal bowl.

My girl refuses to close any jars or pitchers fully or properly. Ever.
   37. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:54 PM (#5458604)
Living with people is just the worst, except of course for living by yourself.

   38. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 01:56 PM (#5458608)
Keep up the good fight. My wife has the unbreakable habit of using good kitchen knives and leaving them dirty and encrusted with food to dry on the counter. I've been on her about it for a good decade or so and I know she'll never change, but similarly I can never learn to let it go. Clean the ####### knives dammit!


Heh, I feel your pain. I try and get my wife to wash the knives and the wooden cutting boards immediately. Can't stand watching meat juice/tomato acid/crushed garlic/etc seep into the wood.
   39. Leroy Kincaid Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:00 PM (#5458614)
My girl refuses to close any jars or pitchers fully or properly. Ever.


Yes! My wife refuses to completely close pretty much anything in a container, bag, bottle, etc. Just now I had some popcorn and I found that she folded it once and then put a bag clip on it. THAT'S NOT CLOSED!!!
   40. The Good Face Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5458624)
Heh, I feel your pain. I try and get my wife to wash the knives and the wooden cutting boards immediately. Can't stand watching meat juice/tomato acid/crushed garlic/etc seep into the wood.


The cutting boards I gave up as a lost cause a long time ago. Tried switching to glass, but that just resulted in her blunting the knives immediately after sharpening. We now use cheap plastic and buy new boards every few months or so. Sigh.
   41. RJ in TO Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:08 PM (#5458628)
Women.... Am I right? You fellas know what I'm talkin' about.
   42. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:10 PM (#5458629)
26. jmurph Posted: May 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5458513)

The modern stereotype of the bumbling husband, and the uber-competent wife needs to die already.


I think this is only a thing in unfunny CBS sitcoms.


- there is no such stereotype in real life UNLESS the bumbling husband is filthy rich. and or HOTTTTTTTTTTTTT. and or famous

because intelligent/competent women in real life do NOT go for fat, ugly, not rich, bumbling idiots
   43. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:14 PM (#5458638)
41. RJ in TO Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:08 PM (#5458628)

Women.... Am I right? You fellas know what I'm talkin' about.


- grinning

well there boy
you DO have the alternative of the fat, bumbling HUSBAND, you know
   44. Lassus Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:14 PM (#5458639)
The modern stereotype of the bumbling husband, and the uber-competent wife needs to die already.

Yeah, I gotta say, I think this is a strawman. Where is this stereotype currently occurring?
   45. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:21 PM (#5458650)
I didn't see the games, so I don't know how intentional any of them looked, but this seems to me to be more of a crappy pitchers pitching crappily problem, rather than an intent to injure.

Intent is important, but not the whole story. Gross negligence invites retaliation, too. MLB teams have a reasonable expectation that the other team will utilize a pitcher with MLB level control. You can't just say "Our Meathead has no idea where the ball will go, but he doesn't mean anything by it, so you'll just have to live with a few bumps & bruises, as well as the occasional fracture". It's a bit more difficult to draw the line when intent isn't the issue, but 7 HBP would seem sufficient.
   46. The Good Face Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5458654)
Yeah, I gotta say, I think this is a strawman. Where is this stereotype currently occurring?


It was pretty much a sitcom (and advertising staple) back in the 90s and early aughts, but I cut the cord a good decade ago and more or less stopped watching TV, so I have no idea if it's still a thing or not.
   47. wjones Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:38 PM (#5458672)
I didn't see the games, so I don't know how intentional any of them looked, but this seems to me to be more of a crappy pitchers pitching crappily problem, rather than an intent to injure.

Maybe so, but that's still no reason for Toronto to retaliate because THEIR pitchers hit 7 Braves.
   48. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:39 PM (#5458673)
it is still an advertising staple on products intended for females

as for sitcom, don't ask me because i hardly ever watch them
   49. Greg K Posted: May 18, 2017 at 02:47 PM (#5458687)
I think the HBP played zero (or next to zero) role in the whole business.

I think it comes down to
1] Jays annoyed that they've sucked this week
2] Motte (legally) quick-pitched Pillar, which served as a flimsy excuse for him to let out some anger at the team sucking, which he directed at Motte.
3] Bautista, also annoyed that the team has been sucking, in addition to him sucking in general this season, tapped into the even flimsier excuse of "they screwed my team-mate!" as an outlet for frustration. This presented itself in a \"#### you" response to the hated enemy when he hit a meaningless home run.

Somewhere around second base Bautista seems to have realized how stupid this all was, though by that time the Braves had quite rightly had enough of being the focus of all this mis-directed frustration.

I suppose in some small way "these idiots have hit a bunch of our guys, including injuring our best player, why are they the ones whining?" played into Atlanta's response...but really I think this plays out pretty much the same without the HBPs.
   50. Perry Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:00 PM (#5458706)
it is still an advertising staple on products intended for females


Not just there...there's one running for MAACO now that I see a lot during ballgames (pretty much the only commercial TV I watch). Dude is trying to paint his car with a roller, wife comes up and says in exasperation "What are you doing? Put the roller down.... I'll fix it" and walks off.

Then there's the doofus whose kid and wife know perfectly well that NBA games "are never sold out on nbatickets.com" but have been keeping it from him for some reason, even though they all love going to ostensibly sold out games.

Those are just two off the top of my head, I'm sure I could think of more.
   51. Justin Turner Overdrive Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:02 PM (#5458709)
Looks like Freddie Freeman has a fractured wrist and will be out 8-10 weeks.

There could be some fireworks in Atlanta tonight.
With 7 Braves being hit in the series to Toronto's 1(deserved), the Braves best player knocked out for at least a couple of months, combined with Pillar & Bautista's ass-hattery, Blue Jays hitters would probably be well advised to step lightly in to the box tonight.
   52. Justin Turner Overdrive Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:11 PM (#5458727)
And God help Aaron Loup if Gibbons is stupid enough to bring him into the game. He could see a lot of bunts to the right side where he has to cover 1B.

Be a shame if a collision or an "accidental" spiking were to happen...
   53. The Good Face Posted: May 18, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5458783)
Not just there...there's one running for MAACO now that I see a lot during ballgames (pretty much the only commercial TV I watch). Dude is trying to paint his car with a roller, wife comes up and says in exasperation "What are you doing? Put the roller down.... I'll fix it" and walks off.

Then there's the doofus whose kid and wife know perfectly well that NBA games "are never sold out on nbatickets.com" but have been keeping it from him for some reason, even though they all love going to ostensibly sold out games.

Those are just two off the top of my head, I'm sure I could think of more.


It is, unsurprisingly, a well documented trope.
   54. Jesus Frankenstein Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5458798)
Keep up the good fight. My wife has the unbreakable habit of using good kitchen knives and leaving them dirty and encrusted with food to dry on the counter. I've been on her about it for a good decade or so and I know she'll never change, but similarly I can never learn to let it go. Clean the ####### knives dammit!


I dunno, cussing out a woman with a knife in her hand seems like a bad idea. Also, my #1 rule in life is not pointing fingers. I AM an idiot too many things to count, and I generally thank my gf for pointing it out. OTOH, you gotta be careful criticizing your woman 'cos she's not likely to be too rational about it.

But what do I know, I live alone and I like it.
   55. Jesus Frankenstein Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5458807)
A real shame about Freeman, but c'mon, you can't blame Loup for merely pitching inside. That's baseball. The other stuff, yeah, the Blue Jays need to cut out this repeated unprofessionalism and stop acting like jackasses.
   56. Greg K Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5458815)
I also haven't seen a lot of network sit-coms the last couple years, but I think Modern Family is still going, and it uses the bumbling dad and competent wife model.

Of course, The Simpsons and (I think) The Family Guy are both still on the air, and they offer variations on the theme.

Marge is quite often just used as something for Homer to play off, but she occasionally gets a chance to shine on her own. She's particularly great as "Marge the Square". She can also have a certain under-stated sadness - waking up Maggie so that she'll have someone to be with, or when Lisa says that her and Marge are each other's best friends (and Marge realizes Lisa means this as a bad thing).
   57. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5458823)
54. Like Flies On Sherbert Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5458798)


I dunno, cussing out a woman with a knife in her hand seems like a bad idea.


- well there IS that

Also, my #1 rule in life is not pointing fingers. I AM an idiot too many things to count, and I generally thank my gf for pointing it out.


- well, there IS that

OTOH, you gotta be careful criticizing your woman 'cos she's not likely to be too rational about it


- well, yeah
unless you LIKEY sleepin on the couch
   58. The Good Face Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5458824)
I dunno, cussing out a woman with a knife in her hand seems like a bad idea.


If the knife is in her hand there's a chance she might clean it. Instead, the knife is on the countertop, filthy and encrusted with dried food, while my wife is in another room. A stabbing would be a small price to pay if it meant the knives would get cleaned and not left all dirty on the countertop.
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5458826)
- well, yeah
unless you LIKEY sleepin on the couch


Is this really a thing? I've always assumed that was a total TV trope.
   60. Jesus Frankenstein Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5458833)
By idiot, I mean emotional intelligence. Also, the places where you're convinced you are 100 percent right are called blind spots.
   61. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5458835)
snapper
it really IS a thing
if he makes HER sleep on the couch it is gonna take a lot LOT longer to make things right

i haven't been mad enough at my Husband to tell him to sleep on the couch since he came up with some excuse to not go to cooperstown when biggio got elected

and before that it was a good 10 years

i mean, because of being pissed off

there have been other reasons to sleep separately, but i really hate sleeping alone and so does he. so we pretty much usually make it up pretty quickly

   62. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:31 PM (#5458841)
58. The Good Face Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5458824)
I dunno, cussing out a woman with a knife in her hand seems like a bad idea.


If the knife is in her hand there's a chance she might clean it.


- uh, not if you are busy cussin her out

besides, don't you have a dishwasher? those DO clean knives
   63. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:36 PM (#5458847)
snapper
it really IS a thing
if he makes HER sleep on the couch it is gonna take a lot LOT longer to make things right


OK, it's literally never happened in my marriage. We really don't fight much, but in almost 12 years, nobody has ever slept anywhere except our bed.
   64. The Good Face Posted: May 18, 2017 at 04:48 PM (#5458868)
- uh, not if you are busy cussin her out


I only gripe about the knives when she leaves them dirty on the counter.

besides, don't you have a dishwasher? those DO clean knives


Not good to put expensive, high quality knives through the dishwasher. Plus when something is covered in dried-on food, it really needs a rinse/clean before it goes into the dishwasher anyway for best results.

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