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Sunday, September 05, 2010

Pina: Buster Posey: Baseball’s Most Important Player

Are you just going to ignore the 210 lb Giant squatting in America’s living room?

The steroid era is beginning to close—although how can we ever be 100 percent sure—and those famously associated are aging and rapidly mutating into irrelevance. Those who are actually clean—Derek Jeter is 36, Chipper Jones is 38 and after tearing his ACL looks to have played his last inning, and Ken Griffey Jr. already retired, at the age of 40, in June—won’t be around with hard hats and shovels to help in the rebuilding process.

Posey comes into the league at a time when you’d have to be clinically insane to stick HGH, or whatever undetectable cosmetic drug is now new on the market, in your body. The top shelf prospects coming up from this year forward won’t face the same level of scrutiny as the generation before them. The likes of Joe Mauer and Dustin Pedroia should crawl from the rubble unscathed, but they’re in a very small minority. The sport is just beginning to emerge from an incredibly scandalous and damaging decade; players like Posey are exactly what the sport needs—the talented, young, and undoubtedly clean talents.

In a game that values the statistic, these guys are giving MLB executives all the more reason to market them as the new face of the league. They should be in commercials and made household names as quickly as possible. They’re performing on the field, now they need to be in America’s living room.

Repoz Posted: September 05, 2010 at 12:17 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. bobm Posted: September 05, 2010 at 01:06 PM (#3633774)
Posey comes into the league at a time when you’d have to be clinically insane to stick HGH, or whatever undetectable cosmetic drug is now new on the market, in your body.


Putting Posey aside, why would a generic player have to be "clinically insane" to use an "undetectable" PED? What's the risk?

players like Posey are exactly what the sport needs—the talented, young, and undoubtedly clean talents.


Again, putting Posey aside, how can one say that these talents are "undoubtedly clean" if there are "undetectable" PEDs available to stick in one's body?
   2. Lassus Posted: September 05, 2010 at 01:13 PM (#3633776)
barf
   3. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: September 05, 2010 at 01:58 PM (#3633784)
And here I was thinking Jeff Francouer was the most important player in baseball.
   4. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3633800)
Putting Posey aside, why would a generic player have to be "clinically insane" to use an "undetectable" PED? What's the risk?

Because what's "undetectable" today may not be "undetectable" tomorrow, and sometimes ballplayers are known to be a little slow on catching up with the news. I'm sure that plenty of players who've tested positive in the past few years thought that they'd never get caught, either.

Again, putting Posey aside, how can one say that these talents are "undoubtedly clean" if there are "undetectable" PEDs available to stick in one's body?

We can't, but we can refrain from assuming otherwise until those "undetectable PEDs have actually been detected, while leaving the "undoubtedly"s to the sportswriters.
   5. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: September 05, 2010 at 02:55 PM (#3633804)
And here I was thinking Jeff Francouer was the most important player in baseball.


He is because his performance has clearly not been enhanced in any way.
   6. Don Lock Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3633821)
Those who are actually clean , Jeter, Jones and Griffey... How do we know this any more than we know about anyone else? Pick a player who had a long, productive career; Randy Johnson, Cal Ripken, Jeff Bagwell, Maddox, Tony Gwynn and explain how we know they are the clean guys and others are dirty?
   7. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 05, 2010 at 03:34 PM (#3633825)
Randy Johnson, Cal Ripken, Jeff Bagwell, Maddox, Tony Gwynn and explain how we know they are the clean guys and others are dirty?

We know Randy Johnson used no enhancements. If he were the type to resort to chemical aids, he would have used some concealer on his mug, at the very least Oil of Olay.
   8. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:17 PM (#3633850)
Those who are actually clean , Jeter, Jones and Griffey... How do we know this any more than we know about anyone else? Pick a player who had a long, productive career; Randy Johnson, Cal Ripken, Jeff Bagwell, Maddox, Tony Gwynn and explain how we know they are the clean guys and others are dirty?

Sportswriters have innate abilities not possessed by ordinary humans. Also, they have a better opportunity to check out whether players have back acne.
   9. OlePerfesser Posted: September 05, 2010 at 04:20 PM (#3633852)
Could you clarify, Dan? Are you saying that what athletes have used and believed to be PEDs are not actually performance enhancing? (I'm not being snarky - just unclear on what you're thinking on this.)

I'm aware of a few attempts to gauge the effect of drug usage on performance using statanalysis, but generally unconvinced by them - either way. There's so much noise in performance data that confidence intervals tend to be wide, so identifying whether someone's numbers have been improved - or not improved - by drugs is hard; maybe number crunching isn't the way to do it.

In any case, if there are some studies you think deserve more credence, could you highlight them? Thanks!
   10. OlePerfesser Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:25 PM (#3633889)
Thanks, Dan - I'm with ya on HGH.

Another PED-related thing I wonder about is whether testing can detect use in the off-season among the guys who might go offshore to get their supplies. Some people I know who have gone to winter ball in various countries have suggested that there's some stuff readily available - though its efficacy can be disputed.

What are the regs on this? I think MLB can test players in the off-season in the U.S. - what about elsewhere? What about minor leaguers?
   11. McCoy Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:52 PM (#3633902)
Because what's "undetectable" today may not be "undetectable" tomorrow, and sometimes ballplayers are known to be a little slow on catching up with the news. I'm sure that plenty of players who've tested positive in the past few years thought that they'd never get caught, either.

And in the meantime they make millions and when they finally get caught they only have to serve a 50 game suspension.
   12. Sam Hutcheson is the Rickey Henderson of... Posted: September 05, 2010 at 05:59 PM (#3633905)
Those who are actually clean , Jeter, Jones and Griffey... How do we know this any more than we know about anyone else? Pick a player who had a long, productive career; Randy Johnson, Cal Ripken, Jeff Bagwell, Maddox, Tony Gwynn and explain how we know they are the clean guys and others are dirty?


I'm pretty sure Gary Maddox was clean.
   13. tshipman Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:10 PM (#3633908)
Those who are actually clean , Jeter, Jones and Griffey


I would imagine that a fair amount of this speculation is actually based on off the record conversations with the players' in question teammates. I would imagine that the writers ask guys in the clubhouse, on the condition of not writing a column about it, if one guy or another guy is clean.

If it's really just BS, then that's just terrible reporting, and of course, also an option.
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 05, 2010 at 06:28 PM (#3633917)
I'm pretty sure Gary Maddox was clean.


So close.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:04 PM (#3633988)
I'm pretty sure Gary Maddox was clean.

But what about Garry Maddox?

(Live by the misspelling, die by the misspelling.)
   16. Walt Davis Posted: September 05, 2010 at 08:09 PM (#3633992)
I didn't RTFA but why Posey and not Heyward, Castro, Stanton, Garcia, etc? Or Matt Kemp? :-) I'll go out on a limb and say Casey Kotchmann is clean.
   17. ValueArbitrageur Posted: September 06, 2010 at 02:27 AM (#3634135)
I did RTFA, but still the articles point eluded me.

You know what baseball needs to jolt some life into it? It needs Big Mac and Slammin Sammy to find some truly undetectable super PEDs so they can come back next year and battle all season to see who is first to 80 homers. Baseball was rarely ever better or more interesting during that era, and for shame all those sportswriters trying to pretend it wasn't. A pox on those trying to exile that eras heros merely because they tried too hard to win, while they remain silent over a Hall of Fame being filled with a rogues gallery of spitball throwers, corked bat users, sign stealers, racists, and amphetamine poppers.

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