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Thursday, December 07, 2017

Pioneer Press: Twins use international bonus money to acquire two minor-league prospects

The Twins were unable to make it to the final round in the competition for Shohei Ohtani, but they still found a way to capitalize on the mania surrounding the two-way Japanese sensation.

In separate trades announced Wednesday night, the Twins shipped $1 million of their remaining 2017-18 international bonus money to both the Seattle Mariners and Los Angeles Angels in exchange for promising 2017 June draftees.

Surprised more of the runners-up haven’t tried this.

Mike Emeigh Posted: December 07, 2017 at 11:11 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: los angeles angels of anaheim, minnesota twins, ohtani, prospects, seattle mariners

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   1. DL from MN Posted: December 07, 2017 at 12:36 PM (#5587995)
Great move by the Twins. Acquire actual players for opportunity cost.
   2. Cris E Posted: December 07, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5588011)
Part of that money they traded away came when they sent Kintzler to Washington, so doubly clever.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: December 07, 2017 at 01:46 PM (#5588079)
does that mean the M's have more money to throw at Ohtani or is that capped?
   4. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 07, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5588094)
Both the M's and Angels have $1mil more than they did before.

The 4 NL teams are all capped at $300k, but the M's and Angels can still add more money.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 07, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5588095)
I don't see it mentioned in the article, so perhaps I'm misremembering, but don't teams also have the option to roll unused pool funds into the next year? Thought I saw something on that somewhere, but haven't seen it mentioned recently, so maybe not.
   6. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 07, 2017 at 02:03 PM (#5588106)
No, I don't think they can.

The Angels have signed a couple of those ex-Braves prospects, but for some reason they can use either this year or next year's allocation for those. So they could still give Ohtani their entire amount for this year and sign those guys.
   7. Sleepless in Munich Posted: December 07, 2017 at 02:28 PM (#5588133)
I don't see it mentioned in the article, so perhaps I'm misremembering, but don't teams also have the option to roll unused pool funds into the next year? Thought I saw something on that somewhere, but haven't seen it mentioned recently, so maybe not.

Teams can't roll over money to the next year. But it was reported that teams can use 2018-19(next year's) money to sign the Braves' prospect that became free agents recently - maybe that's what you think about.
   8. Batman Posted: December 07, 2017 at 02:54 PM (#5588156)
the Twins shipped $1 million of their remaining 2017-18 international bonus money
Sounds like they keep the money lying around somewhere and then had to box it up to send it to Anaheim and Seattle. I hope that's how it works.
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 07, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5588180)
There's a cap on how much international bonus money any team can acquire, so I don't know that Anaheim or Seattle can add all that much more pool at this point.

Banuelos seems like a solid pickup. Not so sure about the other guy, even though he was a higher draft pick.
   10. Rally Posted: December 07, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5588204)
They can add up to 75% of their original budget through trades. I don't know if the Angels have made other trades, but between this and the one with the Braves they have added over 2 million. Looks like they are allowed to add another million or so.
   11. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: December 07, 2017 at 03:21 PM (#5588216)
Looks like they are allowed to add another million or so.


And the Twins have some more pool money to trade.
   12. bookbook Posted: December 07, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5588256)
Sure, but do the Mariners have other prospects?
   13. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 07, 2017 at 05:44 PM (#5588336)
In the Dee Gordon trade, the Mariners got another $1mil in int'l money, so now they can offer Ohtani more than the Rangers.
   14. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: December 07, 2017 at 05:54 PM (#5588344)
Dammit. Didn't know that the Gordon trade included int'l money. Really hoping that the Halos can snag Ohtani...
   15. Greg Pope Posted: December 07, 2017 at 06:22 PM (#5588357)
In the Dee Gordon trade, the Mariners got another $1mil in int'l money, so now they can offer Ohtani more than the Rangers.

Doesn't it seem odd that Ohtani apparently doesn't care about the $100M or so that he's leaving on the table by coming over early, but he does seem to care about an extra $1M signing bonus?

I know we don't know what the negotiation process has been, but this strikes me as strange. Unless the teams are just acquiring money under the assumption that it will matter.
   16. bookbook Posted: December 07, 2017 at 06:27 PM (#5588359)
If I had to forgo $100 million in order to get where I wanted to go two years quicker, I still wouldn't mind getting a $3 million check. It's really not inconsistent at all.
   17. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: December 07, 2017 at 06:59 PM (#5588376)
Doesn't it seem odd that Ohtani apparently doesn't care about the $100M or so that he's leaving on the table by coming over early, but he does seem to care about an extra $1M signing bonus?

We don't know he cares about that. Considering 4 of the finalists are capped at $300k I'd argue he doesn't. That doesn't mean it's not worth Seattle trying to do everything they can to get him.

Seeing how 2 teams have added money it might also be safe to say he didn't ask the teams to do this.
   18. JJ1986 Posted: December 07, 2017 at 07:10 PM (#5588379)
If Ohtani signs with the Mariners, odds are he ends up traded somewhere else within the next 6 months.
   19. Greg Pope Posted: December 07, 2017 at 07:11 PM (#5588380)
If I had to forgo $100 million in order to get where I wanted to go two years quicker, I still wouldn't mind getting a $3 million check. It's really not inconsistent at all.

I get the sunk cost concept. The $100M is gone, so it has no relevance. He is in negotiation, so why not get as much as he can? But I wouldn't think that the amount of the bonus would affect his decision on where to play.
   20. bookbook Posted: December 07, 2017 at 07:43 PM (#5588389)
Maybe it’s a tie-breaker? Even if he has already decided to sign with the Mariners, as long as that isn’t 100% clear he has serious leverage until 12/22. DiPoto won’t be popular if he falls half a million in bonus money short of signing a potential franchise player.
   21. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 08, 2017 at 09:58 AM (#5588662)
I've asked before: does anyone know what's up with the Korean shortstop Ji Hwan Bae? Braves gave him 300k, plus 600k under the table. His contract was voided, which seems to have put him in a different category than the other Braves players. Is he just a free agent, maybe waiting for July because he's not in the group teams can dip into next year's pool for?

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