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Friday, July 27, 2012

Posnanski: Live from the Olympics

Sports on five years’ probation?

Yes, I’ve been away for a little while. I know there are a lot of questions about my book about Joe Paterno, and I will do my best to answer them in a few weeks when the book is published. For now, I’ve been working like crazy on the the new Web site we will be launching, in conjunction with USA Today and MLB Advanced Media, called Sports on Earth. I could not be more thrilled about it. We will obviously be developing as we go, but the idea is to build an all-sports site around compelling, funny, thoughtful, ridiculous and sublime sportswriting. We have an amazing lineup of staff writers right at the start—Tommy Tomlinson, Gwen Knapp, Shaun Powell, Mike Tanier just as a starting point.

The District Attorney Posted: July 27, 2012 at 05:58 PM | 66 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Don Malcolm Posted: July 28, 2012 at 01:40 AM (#4194347)
Oh, goodie: Grantland for geezers. Way to go, Joe!
   2. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 01:52 AM (#4194350)
They have Mike Tanier on football and will have Will Leitch as ombudsman. I'm cautiously optimistic.
   3. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:32 AM (#4194371)
Poz is only like 5 years older than Simmons (if that) ... of course, probably a couple decades older in maturity.
   4. zachtoma Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:54 AM (#4194374)
I feel bad for Poz here, this whole book project has blown up in his face in a way I'm sure he was incapable of fathoming. Now he finds himself in a real no-win situation with the publisher pushing his book up by a lot so it comes hot on the heels of the Freeh report and the removal of the Paterno statue. Ideally, he (and everyone else) would take an extra year to process everything that's happened in the last 8 months and come out with the book then, but apparently his publisher doesn't see the eminent good sense of that - instead, they're going to let him get creamed for writing a book nobody wants to read, and that's a shame.
   5. DKDC Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:27 AM (#4194382)
It's hard to imagine a better situation for a sportswriter: he had done all his research and had direct access to the subject just before the subject became the most interesting sports story of the year.

It sounds like Posnanski just wrote the wrong book. Of course, maybe all the advance press is wrong and this will be a book people want to read.
   6. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:45 AM (#4194384)
Aw, man. First Hitler hosts the Olympics, and now the Hitler of our time, Joe Posnanski, is given a press pass.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 08:46 AM (#4194393)
where's Jesse Owens when you need him?
   8. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4194404)
where's Jesse Owens when you need him?

The Soul of Track.
   9. The District Attorney Posted: July 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4194492)
Now he finds himself in a real no-win situation with the publisher pushing his book up by a lot so it comes hot on the heels of the Freeh report and the removal of the Paterno statue. Ideally, he (and everyone else) would take an extra year to process everything that's happened in the last 8 months and come out with the book then, but apparently his publisher doesn't see the eminent good sense of that - instead, they're going to let him get creamed for writing a book nobody wants to read
Well, they didn't push it up because they think nobody wants to read it, right?

As for Poz' new project... Shaun Powell seems to just be a guy who moves around between various beat writer jobs. Calling him "amazing" is like calling Geoff Blum amazing. I believe Tommy Tomlinson was the Governor of Wisconsin. I don't know these other guys. Of course, that doesn't mean they're no good.

Poz > Simmons, so you'd figure his Grantland would be better than Simmons'. There's a disadvantage, though, in being second to market. I also get the impression that ESPN is very hands-off with respect to letting Simmons run Grantland. I dunno if USA Today and MLB Advanced Media (BTW, really?) will be the same.
   10. Eddo Posted: July 28, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4194497)
Posnanski, even with the Paterno situation taken into account, is still a good writer.

Tanier might be my favorite writer working right now. His farewell piece at FO was wonderful.

I am looking forward to SoE.
   11. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4194584)
Speaking of sites like SoE and Grantland, what's happening with Tim Marchman's "The Classical". I think it's up, but I hear nothing about it and it's never linked here.
   12. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4194595)
The publisher is looking out for its interests and could not care less what happens to Joe Posnanski. And the publisher believes it is very much in its best interests, financially, to have this book out yesterday, while Paterno is still sitting atop the news cycle.
   13. zachtoma Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4194617)
Well, they didn't push it up because they think nobody wants to read it, right?


Yeah, but it will be judged very harshly because the tone in which Poz wrote is probably about 180 from the tenor of public opinion at the moment, and there will be piling on - even if the news cycle/controversy help it sell. It would be best for the book to let Poz work with the material for longer in light of recent revelations and to let the surreal shock and outrage of this moment pass - they really are putting his head on the chopping block to advance their own interests here.
   14. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4194629)
It would be best for the book to let Poz work with the material for longer in light of recent revelations and to let the surreal shock and outrage of this moment pass - they really are putting his head on the chopping block to advance their own interests here.


But the publisher's goal is not to make the book as thoughtful and factually correct as possible. The publisher's goal is to maximize revenue from the book. The publisher is probably, at least in the narrow, correct in its belief that publishing the book now will get the most revenue from it.
   15. DA Baracus Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4194632)
Poz > Simmons, so you'd figure his Grantland would be better than Simmons'.


It's not "his Grantland." Simmons is the editor in chief of Grantland, Posnanski is just a full time writer for SoE.
   16. Steve Treder Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4194638)
The publisher is probably, at least in the narrow, correct in its belief that publishing the book now will get the most revenue from it.

While there are always going to be obvious and notorious exceptions, in general it's smart money to assume that professional specialists working in an industry know what they're doing.
   17. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4194650)
While there are always going to be obvious and notorious exceptions, in general it's smart money to assume that professional specialists working in an industry know what they're doing.


True, but the smartest money finds industries whose professional specialists, for all their sound and fury, haven't a clue what they're doing. They're certainly around to be found, if you know where and how to look. (Baseball up until about fifteen years ago, for instance, and lingering in some places to this day.)
   18. Steve Treder Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4194654)
True, but the smartest money finds industries whose professional specialists, for all their sound and fury, haven't a clue what they're doing.

What's the evidence that the people who publish high-profile titles at Simon & Schuster haven't a clue what they're doing?
   19. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4194659)
tanier has developed a cult following so when jp's ill-fated confluence of events leads to him being excoriated again only this time by those of greater influence of bbtf at least tanier can leverage his devotees into at minimum his old job.

or maybe joe gets the boot and mike is the lead name on the masthead. that works

on a side note i am really disappointed jim had to accept these ads pimping females. if he needs more donations just say so for crissakes.
   20. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4194667)
on a side note i am really disappointed jim had to accept these ads pimping females. if he needs more donations just say so for crissakes.
Pretty sure that's not the way it works with the ads. Jim doesn't choose the specific ads that get shown on BBTF, he's part of an ad network, and the ads rotate around, often at random, but also sometimes based on your personal internet usage habits (e.g. I surf a lot of political sites so I get tons of Obama/Romney webads.)

Therefore LOOK WITHIN, MY FRIEND. :-)
   21. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4194671)
esoteric

give me a break

and yes i have seen all the political ads but figured that was a given in an election year
   22. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4194673)
esoteric

give me a break
Heh, couldn't help it. Actually I'm pretty sure in this case it's just about what's on the ad network BBTF is part of. I agree, it's a little seedy -- I'm seeing them too.
   23. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:19 PM (#4194677)
All I'm getting is orange juice and cell phones. HOW DO I GET THE SEEDY LADIES?
   24. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4194679)
What's the evidence that the people who publish high-profile titles at Simon & Schuster haven't a clue what they're doing?


There is none and I don't suggest there is any. I was changing the subject.
   25. Swedish Chef Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4194680)
but also sometimes based on your personal internet usage habits

Google once decided that I needed to marry a virtuous muslim girl and hounded me with ads for matchmaking services for a month. I'd really like to know what triggered that.
   26. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4194682)
tanier has developed a cult following so when jp's ill-fated confluence of events leads to him being excoriated again only this time by those of greater influence of bbtf at least tanier can leverage his devotees into at minimum his old job.


I realize that a lot of people seem to like Tanier, but I don't get it. He makes a lot of lame jokes and offers relatively boring analysis. He's also a bit of a fanboy.
   27. Steve Treder Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4194684)
There is none and I don't suggest there is any. I was changing the subject.

OK, got it. My bad.
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4194687)
I realize that a lot of people seem to like Tanier, but I don't get it. He makes a lot of lame jokes and offers relatively boring analysis. He's also a bit of a fanboy.


It's the total vacuum-like absence of informative and entertaining football commentary in the world. YMMV but I think Tanier's humor and style hit more than they miss, and the analysis is usually at least worth reading. It could be done better, perhaps... but it's not. Not to my knowledge.
   29. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4194688)
on a side note i am really disappointed jim had to accept these ads pimping females. if he needs more donations just say so for crissakes.


Not sure how it works for BBTF but awhile back I was getting condom ads on BBRef that were not particularly ideal for work. I submitted a request and they were able to get those ads removed. Not sure if Jim has that ability with his ad provider here or how easy a process that is.
   30. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4194692)
you have to be at least moderately educated to get some of tanier's references. that has its place.

   31. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4194693)
Which one was Tanier? I used to read FO when I had more time. There was something about Barnwell that rubbed me the wrong way, but I don't really know who the other writers were by their writing.
   32. Eddo Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4194700)
It's the total vacuum-like absence of informative and entertaining football commentary in the world. YMMV but I think Tanier's humor and style hit more than they miss, and the analysis is usually at least worth reading. It could be done better, perhaps... but it's not. Not to my knowledge.

I agree with most of this. Much of the humor, like any humor, is taste-driven, as well.

Personally, I enjoy his analysis and general NFL commentary because he's the most level-headed, yet opinionated, writer I've ever read. By that, I mean he doesn't take stances without first putting a great deal of thought behind them, but he's also not too hesitant to call something good or bad, or right or wrong.

A good example is his thoughts on Mike Smith's decisions to go for it on fourth down in last year's wild card game against the Giants.
   33. Eddo Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:49 PM (#4194701)
Which one was Tanier? I used to read FO when I had more time. There was something about Barnwell that rubbed me the wrong way, but I don't really know who the other writers were by their writing.

Tanier wrote the "Walkthrough" column weekly, and also wrote matchup columns (and other miscellaneous columns) for the New York Times.

Barnwell's not bad; but yes, he has rubbed me the wrong way at times. I get the impression he tries to write like Bill Simmons, so he makes too many snarky comments that aren't really backed up by facts. And he does this too often in his harder analysis columns.
   34. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4194707)
barnwell is your standard internet produced jerk. a fat white kid who is given a voice and abuses the privilege.

its one of the downsides of the internet age. but like all things this too shall pass.
   35. Jim Wisinski Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4194711)
and will have Will Leitch as ombudsman. I'm cautiously optimistic.


I don't see how having the person who inflicted Deadspin, a site with questionable (or non-existent) journalistic ethics that's basically US Weekly for sports, on the internet as ombudsman is something to make you optimistic.
   36. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4194712)
Tanier is what Gregg Easterbrook thinks himself to be.
   37. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4194715)
Leitch's Deadspin was better than it was ever given credit for. If you want to blame someone for the decline and fall of whatever quality Gawker Media ever had, that's AJ Daulerio. Who was brought in by Leitch, which is not a good mark on his record.
   38. DA Baracus Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4194716)
Barnwell wasn't missed when he left Football Outsiders. Doug Farrar was pretty good but then he fell victim to the Yahoo blog content machine. Such a pity. Their recent hires are hit or miss. I find myself going back there less and less.

It's the total vacuum-like absence of informative and entertaining football commentary in the world.


Agreed. I'd add that football commentary, at least from what I have seen, is much more compartmentalized. Which makes sense since football is much more sectional: you can devote an entire blog just to rushing offense out of the spread, another entirely to pass defense, etc. (Additionally, football fans are much more parochial, reading about their favorite team is much preferred over reading about the league in general.) For example Chris Brown at Smart Football is highly informative, but is light on the humor and creative writing and is heavy on spread offense, because that's who he is. (Why he added Chase Stuart is beyond me, I never thought highly of him at PF-R.) Ditto Blitzology, which is heavy on the 4-2-5 formation, or Advanced NFL Stats, who can have a bug up their ass from time to time. They're really good reads--if you are very interested in the subject. If you're just looking for something to give you the edge in fantasy football, you're probably better off elsewhere. But fantasy football is so popular that if you want to get noticed, being worth your salt in fantasy is a good way to get there.
   39. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4194726)
For example Chris Brown at Smart Football is highly informative, but is light on the humor and creative writing and is heavy on spread offense, because that's who he is.


I have his book on reserve from the library. I like his site and I am an NFL fan, not a college one. If Blitzology is similar, I may check it out.
   40. DA Baracus Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4194739)
I have his book on reserve from the library. I like his site and I am an NFL fan, not a college one. If Blitzology is similar, I may check it out.


I can't vouch for all their work, but they had a pretty good breakdown leading into the Super Bowl of why the Patriots defense centers around Vince Wilfork by showing how on one side of Wilfork they play 3-4 and on the other side they play 4-3. Really good read.
   41. base ball chick Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4194767)
20. Esoteric Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4194667)

on a side note i am really disappointed jim had to accept these ads pimping females. if he needs more donations just say so for crissakes.

Pretty sure that's not the way it works with the ads. Jim doesn't choose the specific ads that get shown on BBTF, he's part of an ad network, and the ads rotate around, often at random, but also sometimes based on your personal internet usage habits (e.g. I surf a lot of political sites so I get tons of Obama/Romney webads.)

Therefore LOOK WITHIN, MY FRIEND. :-)


excuse you dude

i am getting the stupid sexy asian ladies ad and I AM NOT GAY. i do not wanna see no sexy females of ANY kind!!!

no matter WHAT i look at i never get any ads for hot sexy asian GUYS or hot sexy Black guys or hot sexy White guys or hot sexy males of ANY persuasion. seriously WTF all this sexism. i don't get it - it's not like we don't like looking. or, um, dating
   42. booond Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4194772)
Display ads that you see on the Internet are part random and part cookie-driven. I just booked a room for Labor Day weekend meaning I was on a few hotel sites and trip advisor and now hotel sites and San Francisco info sites are following me around the Internet. He can speak to his network but most of the random ones are those which fit the general demo of the site - males.
   43. booond Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4194773)
Destinee Hooker was a 4-time NCAA high jump champion. When she went to volleyball full time it was a bit of a blow for track enthusiasts.
   44. yb125 Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4194775)
no matter WHAT i look at i never get any ads for hot sexy asian GUYS or hot sexy Black guys or hot sexy White guys or hot sexy males of ANY persuasion. seriously WTF all this sexism. i don't get it - it's not like we don't like looking. or, um, dating


What's interesting is that I have found not matter what I am actually looking at if the site is housed under a more general adult-website or domain I am likely to get ads aimed at straight males. I've been at gay male sites but since they were part of a general adult site all the ads were about how ugly girls need to get laid too and there were some in your area then needed your loving and they could hook you up for free.

As for this website, no girlie ones for me but frozen-food and high-speed internet happens a lot. Although if they are trying to guess what ads to show you by your cookies or something, then a lot more then adult-sites would trigger those ads. I mean anytime I go to a gaming video site, or streaming T.V site I get lots of "get laid" ads.
   45. JE (Jason) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4194776)
Flash Blocker gets rid of many of the display ads and is a free download.

EDIT: According to the static ads, I am interested in consuming crates of red wine alongside my single Asian friends. Hmmm.
   46. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4194802)
I'm glad to hear I'm not only not the only one who was bothered by Barnwell's writing, but not even the only one who was bothered by it for the specific reason that he always seemed to be trying to impersonate Bill Simmons. (It worked for him, though.)
   47. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4194813)
It did. He got hired by Grantland. I once sent something over their transom. They said thanks, but they don't take unsolicited submissions. They just get too many of them.
   48. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4195050)
i don't get it - it's not like we don't like looking. or, um, dating


Silly BBC. Everybody knows there are no women on the Internet.
   49. bunyon Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4195059)
excuse you dude

i am getting the stupid sexy asian ladies ad and I AM NOT GAY. i do not wanna see no sexy females of ANY kind!!!


Hubby been on your computer again? :)
   50. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4195135)
I feel bad for Poz here, this whole book project has blown up in his face in a way I'm sure he was incapable of fathoming.


He is responsible for his fate here.
   51. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4195138)
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   52. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 29, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4195169)
51. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4195138)
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If only.
   53. cardsfanboy Posted: July 29, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4195188)
i am getting the stupid sexy asian ladies ad and I AM NOT GAY. i do not wanna see no sexy females of ANY kind!!!


I'm not... I'm jealous. I want the sexy asian ladies ad. Better than the boring charter ads.
   54. dave h Posted: July 29, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4195239)
We have a fantasy football league at work, and one week my boss was the high scorer. He sent an e-mail saying how honored he was to be awarded the "Viagra Performance of the Week" as he saw it on the league page. For all of the rest of us though, it was the "Heineken Performance of the Week".
   55. jwb Posted: July 29, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4195276)
i am getting the stupid sexy asian ladies ad and I AM NOT GAY.

bbc, I get those in the offseason, when I spend time on NPBTracker.com and YakyuBaka.com to see who is signed to play in Japan and what Japanese players might be coming to MLB.

Swedish Chef, Do you read Al Jazeera? It leads to similar results.
   56. Kurt Posted: July 29, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4195291)
We have a fantasy football league at work, and one week my boss was the high scorer. He sent an e-mail saying how honored he was to be awarded the "Viagra Performance of the Week" as he saw it on the league page. For all of the rest of us though, it was the "Heineken Performance of the Week".

I've started getting spam emails from senior dating services, which I guess stems from my acbl membership.
   57. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 29, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4195305)
i am getting the stupid sexy asian ladies ad and I AM NOT GAY


I get those too, but since I spend a lot of time looking at Japanese baseball, music, and anime sites, it's not that surprizing.
   58. base ball chick Posted: July 29, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4195449)
i never go to asian sites. i go to a lot of mom type sites, shopping, baseball. so why am i not getting any ads for GUYS???!!!!

it's sex discrimination that's what it is
   59. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: July 29, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4195466)
I mostly get Universal Studios ads, probably because I live in LA. I have a tire ad right now. I don't remember seeing anything close to NSFW here.
   60. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4195484)
I get the SEXY ASIAN LADIES all the time and I have no idea what in my browsing record might provoke it. It's making me nervous about what my wife's browsing when she's on the computer. But "Don't ask the question if you might not want to know the answer" is an important life rule of mine.

Seriously, I presume it's because my browsing record, due to being heavy on sports, causes the spam producers to peg me as a 15-to-55-year-old male.

EDIT: who am I kidding with the age ranges, "male" is sufficient cause for the spambot to assign a person SEXY ASIAN LADIES ads.
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4195498)
I browse a lot of stuff that should get me the sexy asian ladies, and yet I'm not getting them. I looked at the price of charter last week and since then I seem to only get AT&T and Charter ads. No sexy ads at all.
   62. base ball chick Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4195508)
maybe they DO think i'm a guy

might could be why i get all these ads and spam about how i could grow 3 inches which would be great because i'm so short but unfortunately the bone they talk bout growing won't help me get no taller
   63. base ball chick Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4195510)
oh *()%&#! now i'm getting amo latina

I AM NOT GAY AND HAVE NOT BEEN INTERESTED IN BOOBS IN OVER 30 YEARS!!!! YOU STUPID ADS!!!!!!!

   64. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4195511)
Apparently my Kaspersky Anti-Virus also has been effective in getting rid of the ads, as i haven't seen any of them recently. For awhile I was getting a lot of anti-Obama type ads, which seems silly if they know my preferences based on where I go and what I read.
   65. Jim Wisinski Posted: July 30, 2012 at 12:31 AM (#4195577)
I AM NOT GAY AND HAVE NOT BEEN INTERESTED IN BOOBS IN OVER 30 YEARS!!!! YOU STUPID ADS!!!!!!!


So over 30 years ago you were?
   66. Kurt Posted: July 30, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4195579)
So over 30 years ago you were?

Jeez, even I got the joke and I'm a complete dimbulb.

Over 30 years ago she was a baby. Babies are interested in boobs because of the milk.

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