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Tuesday, November 27, 2012

Posnanski: Time Moves On: The Painful Split Between Frank White and the Royals

So that year has a powerful meaning for Kansas City baseball fans. Many—most, probably—are just plain sick of hearing about 1985. This is the way time winds. At first, everyone still remembers 1985. Heck, it just happened. But soon, the kids have to be told about it. Soon after those kids are in middle school, then high school, and before long they are in college, they have graduated. And they don’t remember 1985.

And suddenly you look around and nobody under 30 or 35 has any recollection of the Royals actually winning anything. What they DO recollect is being told about 1985 their whole lives ... and told about it ... and told about it ... until they are sick of listening, sick of celebrating something they cannot remember, sick of the Royals never giving them their own memories to cherish.

CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 27, 2012 at 10:07 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: November 28, 2012 at 01:20 AM (#4311151)
The 1985 Royals (and the 1987 Twins) are an example of why, when you've got a chance to go to the playoffs, you've got to go for it. The Royals won 91 games in a lousy division, had a Pyth% of 86-76, and basically took having arguably the best hitter and pitcher in the league (Brett and Saberhagen), plus Leibrandt and Quisenberry, to a championship. They were down 3-1 to Toronto in the ALCS, and down 3-1 to the Cardinals (and, lets face it, one of the most famous wrong ump calls of our lifetimes), but come back to win.

We're closing in on 30 years since that title, and it is still the seminal moment in Kansas City sports history since Bart Starr. My in-laws live in KC, so every time I go out there, the 1985 championship comes up in some form. Nobody talks about 1976-1978, when the Royals lost in the ALCS. Nobody talks about 1980, when they lost to the Phillies. Only 1985. How much more empty would hundreds of thousands of sports fans' lives in western Missouri be if Jorge Orta is called out at first?

It is really hard to win a championship - you have to be good, and you have to be lucky. When you get a chance to "make the tournament", you've got to go for it...
   2. Dr. Vaux Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:02 AM (#4311162)
The Braves notwithstanding, you're still going to win the tournament more often the more often you make it there in the first place. Since it's virtually impossible to get a better than 1-in-8 (or how ever many teams) chance of winning it, hurting your chances to make it in future years is always the wrong decision.
   3. Mark Armour Posted: November 28, 2012 at 02:16 AM (#4311168)
We're closing in on 30 years since that title, and it is still the seminal moment in Kansas City sports history since Bart Starr.

Bart Starr? I would think winning Super Bowl IV would resonate more than getting crushed in Super Bowl I.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: November 28, 2012 at 06:26 AM (#4311187)
I would think winning Super Bowl IV would resonate more than getting crushed in Super Bowl I.

Meh ... who hasn't beaten the Vikings in a super bowl?
   5. John Northey Posted: November 28, 2012 at 08:03 AM (#4311198)
Its much like in the Toronto area how you hear about 1967 over and over and over again - the last time the Leafs won the Stanley Cup. I'm in my 40's and it was before I was born. For Jay fans we are starting to get sick of 92/93 as I remember it clearly but it was 19 years ago now and thus people who can vote were not born when it happened.

This is part of the price of a 30 team MLB - the more teams, the longer the breaks between World Series appearances and wins for each club.
   6. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: November 28, 2012 at 08:43 AM (#4311201)
a) Sorry, I meant Len Dawson. I was Typing While Tired.
b) #2: I definitely don't mean trading Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen so that you can pick up a 37-year-old reliever for 22 innings on the way to winning a crappy division with 88 wins. That's always a bad decision. I don't think the Royals should trade a guy like Wil Myers for anybody short of Felix Hernandez or something.

But if you are 2012 Orioles, don't you eat some money if it means making a deadline deal? I mean, here's a team radically overachieving, based both on past performance and their RS versus RA ratio. This was not a roster that would typically win 93 games in a season....but they did, because everything was breaking right. The city of Baltimore, I presume, is starving for baseball success.

So the Orioles are givign a combined 38 starts to Hunter and Arieta - they really could've used a dependable, league-average pitcher who could get the game every fifth day to their excellent bullpen. Is there somebody who wants to unload $5 million for little-to-no-talent in return? There always is at the deadline. Take a chance.
   7. Bitter Mouse Posted: November 28, 2012 at 09:35 AM (#4311228)
Meh ... who hasn't beaten the Vikings in a super bowl?


Your words are hurtful. Fun Vikings fact, they have lost five straight (ones they were in) NFC championship games. Sigh.
   8. Bug Selig Posted: November 28, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4311309)
Meh ... who hasn't beaten the Vikings in a super bowl?


The Bills?
   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: November 28, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4311313)
bitter

there was a vikings blog branded 'pacifist viking'. reading his entries were fascinating as the writer was obviously angst-ridden by his team's failures

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