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Sunday, April 27, 2008

Post-Gazette: Morris, Pirates could be parting ways

Hey, I thought we went through the Monty Hall problem already.

The Pirates will recall starter John Van Benschoten from Class AAA Indianapolis this morning and, thus, must make another move to clear roster space. And indications were very strong last night that, in some way, that will involve Morris.

Management met shortly after Morris’ latest implosion, six runs over 1 2/3 innings that led to an 8-4 loss to the Philadelphia Phillies at PNC Park, and two options were believed to have been laid out:

1. Move Morris to the bullpen and replace him in the rotation with reliever Phil Dumatrait.

2. Release Morris, even though it would mean eating the remainder of his $10,037,283 salary, as well as the $1 million buyout of his 2009 option, all of it guaranteed. That would be slightly more than $10 million.

...There is a third option, of course, but this one is in Morris’ court: He could elect to retire at age 33, allowing the Pirates to keep all or some of that money—depending on whether a buyout would be sought—and exiting with the same class he has demonstrated throughout what remains an exemplary career in Major League Baseball.

That scenario should not be ruled out.

SHAZAM! SHAZAM!...Matt Morris released.

Repoz Posted: April 27, 2008 at 12:35 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. tribefan Posted: April 27, 2008 at 01:05 PM (#2760406)
He could elect to retire at age 33, allowing the Pirates to keep all or some of that money

Easy to say when it's not your money.
   2. Padraic Posted: April 27, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2760424)
Monty would never propose a deal with three cows.
   3. s.zielinski Posted: April 27, 2008 at 03:30 PM (#2760430)
Since Morris' guaranteed money would go to the cheap a#### Nutting partnership I wouldn’t complain if he pocketed the money. As a team fan I can’t expect the team to invest this $10M windfall in the team. So, I’d rather Morris have it for his retirement.
   4. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: April 27, 2008 at 03:47 PM (#2760434)
The Morris trade was awful at the time and it's only gotten worse.
   5. Repoz Posted: April 27, 2008 at 04:08 PM (#2760444)
Matt Morris released...

Matt Morris, the veteran right-hander added by the Pittsburgh Pirates late last season to stabilize a young rotation, was released Sunday after failing to pitch past the second inning in his latest start.

The decision to cut Morris will cost the Pirates more than $10 million, in addition to what they already have paid him this season. Morris is making $10,037,283 this season, or about one-fifth of their payroll, and has a $1 million buyout for 2009.

"Matt Morris is a true professional,'' manager John Russell said. "He's had a great career. He wanted to help us win, but it just wasn't working out.''

.
   6. pyrite Posted: April 27, 2008 at 04:34 PM (#2760451)
I wonder if the news has reached the Dairy Queen that Dave Littlefield runs...

This is a good sign, but we're now stuck with Phil Dumatriat (9.87 career ERA; PECOTA projected ERA: 5.69) in the rotation. If Gorzellany goes on the DL, which seems inevitable, we'll have John Van Benschoten (8.78; 5.25) there as well.

It's going to get ugly.
   7. MSI Posted: April 27, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2760453)
They wasted 1/5 of their payroll on Matt Morris and released him.

Shudder.
   8. s.zielinski Posted: April 27, 2008 at 05:03 PM (#2760457)
And yet, releasing him was the sensible thing to do. His pitching was just outraging Pirate fans who are mostly a docile lot.
   9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: April 27, 2008 at 05:22 PM (#2760473)
I wonder if the news has reached the Dairy Queen that Dave Littlefield runs...

Err, mops.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 27, 2008 at 06:21 PM (#2760577)
What, exactly, is different about Matt Morris today, that the Pirates already didn't know when they traded for him?
   11. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: April 27, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2760593)
What, exactly, is different about Matt Morris today, that the Pirates already didn't know when they traded for him?

Pirates fans are now calling for his head. They weren't before.
   12. Davo Malvolio Posted: April 27, 2008 at 09:20 PM (#2760787)
Is it just me, or are there more dysfunctional organizations today than there were 10-15 years ago? Half the teams seem to use a magic 8-ball for their personnel decisions.
   13. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 27, 2008 at 10:09 PM (#2760815)
What, exactly, is different about Matt Morris today, that the Pirates already didn't know when they traded for him?


Nothing. Morris hasn't changed, but the people making the baseball decisions have.

It is mildly encouraging that they decided to eat the money now rather than keeping him around to suck (up innings) - it shows at least some awareness of the concept of sunk cost. Dumatrait, at least, has some upside (albeit not much), and the Pirates have little to lose by seeing what he might be able to contribute. They also might as well find out whether they'll ever get anything out of VanBenschoten or Burnett.

-- MWE
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: April 27, 2008 at 10:15 PM (#2760818)
I dont know their roster situation, but why not try him as a reliever for a month? If he succeeds, maybe they can trade him (eating $$, of course) and save $1-2 million and/or get back a live body in the deal? If he fails, then you can just release him.
   15. greenback Posted: April 27, 2008 at 10:30 PM (#2760822)
I could've seen them doing something like that, Nate, but Morris certainly looks like he's toast. He may have lost another 1-2 mph since the trade, and he was sometimes throwing a 78-80 mph pitch that the various automated systems called a changeup, but looked like a really crappy fastball. There just doesn't look to be much salvage here.
   16. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: April 27, 2008 at 10:49 PM (#2760830)
Do the Pirates have any interest in helping the Giants again by taking Barry Zito off our hands? We'd be willing to take Nyjer Morgan or someother waiver wire fodder in return for an established starter...

EDIT: Zito gave up 8 runs in 3 innings (6 in the 1st) en route to his 6th loss in 6 starts this season. This is getting REALLY ugly.
   17. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: April 27, 2008 at 10:55 PM (#2760833)
Seems like a good candidate to sabotage the Mets' playoff hopes this year. Go get him, Omar!
   18. Crispix Attacks Posted: April 27, 2008 at 10:57 PM (#2760835)
No, Zito's contract is REAL money, and the Pirates may not want a pitcher with an 0-33 record during what is already a season of quite noticeable and inevitable futility.

The goal is to spend a token amount of money so it looks like the front office is just incompetent and half-assed instead of actively malevolent.

It would be tough to say goodbye to Nyjer Morgan, but maybe Brian Bixler could be exchanged for Dave Roberts or Randy Winn.
   19. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: April 27, 2008 at 11:25 PM (#2760846)
I'd do Bixler for both Roberts and Winn. Want Durham too? Rich Aurilia?
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 27, 2008 at 11:55 PM (#2760857)
Is it just me, or are there more dysfunctional organizations today than there were 10-15 years ago? Half the teams seem to use a magic 8-ball for their personnel decisions.

I think there are far fewer. The Brewers and Tigers used to be laughingstocks, now they're doing quite well. The Rays have a loaded system. Even the Orioles at least seem to understand they need to get young and replenish the system. The Royals are still losing, but not laughingstocks.

I think there are only a handful of teams in which I truly feel sorry for the fanbase - the Giants, the Orioles, and the Pirates. The Astros are making some pretty bad decisions, but the team isn't awful yet.
   21. Crispix Attacks Posted: April 27, 2008 at 11:58 PM (#2760859)
Teams are more likely to admit mistakes and sunk costs now than 10 years ago. They are less likely to say "We thought he was worth the starting job back then, so by gum, we're going to keep putting him in there until he proves us right."

So, by admitting mistakes, you admit that the organization is capable of being dysfunctional, but at the same time you are showing that it is less dysfunctional now than it was back then.
   22. Maury Brown Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:35 AM (#2760899)
Mr. Emeigh summed it up better than I, but when you think that this is the Nuttings allowing for the sunk cost, well... Maybe a zebra can change its stripes. The Zito deal may be the worst in recent memory, but the Morris deal at the deadline at least removed some of the stupidity factor from Sabean. Getting Littlefield to take the whole contract was enough to make anyone's jaw hit the floor.
   23. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 28, 2008 at 01:40 AM (#2760909)
you think that this is the Nuttings allowing for the sunk cost, well... Maybe a zebra can change its stripes.


I'd like to believe it, anyway. I suspect that #11 is probably right, though; the Nuttings generally don't swallow money until the negative PR forces them to do so.

-- MWE
   24. WTM Posted: April 28, 2008 at 08:49 PM (#2761695)
I'd like to believe it, anyway. I suspect that #11 is probably right, though; the Nuttings generally don't swallow money until the negative PR forces them to do so.

This is the tradition in Pittsburgh. Derek Bell didn't get released because he sucked, he got released because of his mouth. Kevin Young finally got released when he blamed the fans for the team's poor play.

The flip side is that most fans seemed ecstatic when the trade first happened. It was a classic Dave Littlefield move--create some PR by relying on the fact that the average fan still thinks of Morris as the guy who was the Cards' ace. Same thing he did with Casey, Randa and Burnitz. Hopefully, the PR-driven signings are history along with Morris.

I suspect another reason for cutting bait on Morris was the realization that they can't expect the bullpen to throw five to seven innings three of every five games. With Duke still effectively a batting practice pitcher and Gorzelanny maybe being hurt or who knows what, they have to search for somebody who can last five innings now and then.

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