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Tuesday, September 02, 2008

PPG:  Cook:  2008 Pirates Minor League Year in Review

I apologize for 2 Post-Gazette posts in one day like this, but honestly:  the paper’s making amazing strides in usefulness.  Personally, I like what the Coonelly/Huntington leadership is doing.  Even if you don’t, at least the paper isn’t stuck writing non-stop “Bonifay/Littlefield could be worse” articles.

The methodology was up to Huntington’s choice for director of player development, 30-year-old Kyle Stark, who initiated a total overhaul of instructional techniques, a break-a-few-eggs disciplinary approach to make them count, and a wholly new computer-based framework for communicating and storing scouting and statistical information.

Because the old system of “writing everything on legal pads and chatting about it over pay phones while smoking stogeys” just wasn’t working properly.  Not using computers for info storing gives me the same reaction as when people pay at the grocery store with checks.

Lincoln, 23, made a surprisingly effective return from elbow reconstruction with Hickory, earning a promotion to high Class A Lynchburg and finishing 6-10 with a 4.69 ERA. Most important, given the surgery, he walked only 17 in 103 innings.

Moskos, 22, was converted to a starter in his first full professional season but sent back to the bullpen in August because he physically wore down. Bottom line: 5.95 ERA and 43 walks in 110 innings. Still, he will resume starting next year.

Again want to re-iterate that I much prefer Tim Lincecum and Matt Wieters.

Hurdle's Heroes (SuperBaes) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:08 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Chase Utley, Shooty's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:59 PM (#2925810)
Are Pirates articles the new market inefficiency?? Three in a row...wow.
   2. WTM Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:19 PM (#2925915)
The article was written by Kovacevic, not Cook.
   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:21 PM (#2925920)
"The article was written by Kovacevic, not Cook."

And thank God for that. Cook can't write his way out of a paper bag.

I thought the ban on sinkers was pretty interesting.
   4. Hurdle's Heroes (SuperBaes) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2925960)
The article was written by Kovacevic, not Cook.

My bad; was reading lots of Pedro Alvarez bashing from Cook and Collier and just mixed everything up. Unfortunately, I'm way too stupid to edit and change it.
   5. Hurdle's Heroes (SuperBaes) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:49 PM (#2925963)
Are Pirates articles the new market inefficiency?? Three in a row...wow.

Just further proof that the Pittsburgh fanbase is rapidly growing. Pirate Nation?
   6. Greg Schuler Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:52 PM (#2925971)
One question - the Pirates had a hard enough time enticing decent replacements for their rancid minor league coaching staff (with plenty of Littlefield holdovers for htis year). Is this automaton approach for the pitching side going to push away talented coaches? The Braves, for example, have an organizational approach, but trust their coaches enough to allow the coaches to implement the plan with the seemingly dictatorial oversight of an overall coordinator.

I have no idea if Buckely's plan is going to work, but a lot of pitching is mental and a lot of the work a minor league pitching coach does with his staff is talking. Are the pitching coaches allowed to do that - to talk and discuss "things" with the pitcher? Or is that verboten if Herr Buckely is not around?
   7. Greg Schuler Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:00 PM (#2925982)
A few more thought (bored at work):

The teams were old enough this year and played as poorly as their records. The hope that Bradenton is the future of the organization is a nice idea, but, well - don't hold your breath. Unless Kyle Stark has a bullet-proof development plan in place, the majority of those prospects might not last past High A, let alone make it to the majors in a productive role.Of the vaunted first wave of Rene Gayo's Latin America talent search, most of them are in their early 20s - not especially inspiring when a 20 year old (or older) does much of anything in the GCL.

That top ten list is baffling. Jeff Sues - really? A 25 year old minor league reliever is one of the ten best players in the system? One with significant injury issues in his near past - that's one of the top ten players.

Any guess of which player was left out of the AFL? I think it might be Boone or Corley - they both flailed at the end of the AA campaign and were both talked up through the year by the Pirates.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:18 PM (#2926004)
"That top ten list is baffling. Jeff Sues - really? A 25 year old minor league reliever is one of the ten best players in the system? One with significant injury issues in his near past - that's one of the top ten players."

Sadly, in this system, that's plausible. Sues at least has a live arm, which is more than you can say for 90% of the pitchers in the system.

"Any guess of which player was left out of the AFL? I think it might be Boone or Corley - they both flailed at the end of the AA campaign and were both talked up through the year by the Pirates."

Corley has never done anything BUT flail, so I don't know why that'd surprise them. Boone is plausible. I think you might be right about it being an OF - this article lists seven players, and an OF spot to be determined later, suggesting that it might've been an OF who got the axe.

Could also be Delaney, I guess. He didn't hit much after his promotion to AAA.
   9. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:46 PM (#2926039)
I think putting Sues on the list was just a bit of an attention-getting move, to call attention to how some players have actually overachieved this year in what otherwise continues to be a pretty bleak minor-league system; Sues has never been listed like that before.

Another ruffling came with a no-sinker rule implemented for young pitchers. The idea was to emphasize simple fastball command, but sinkerballers such as Mike Crotta at Class A Lynchburg initially were handcuffed -- and hit hard -- and some outside observers wondered if such a plan might kill careers prematurely.


Note that teams do things like this all the time in their minor league systems. What this amounts to from a stats point of view is a program of intentionally depressing certain players' stats so that they no longer reflect the player's ability. We shouldn't really be surprised when a minor leaguer's MLEs, or any of his individual stats, suddenly change from year to year - or even within a given year, as he notes that Crotta's stats got better when the no-sinker rule was relaxed late in the season.
   10. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2926059)
What this amounts to from a stats point of view is a program of intentionally depressing certain players' stats so that they no longer reflect the player's ability.


...which is why you have to be careful when evaluating minor league stats, ESPECIALLY for pitchers.

-- MWE
   11. Keith Law Posted: September 03, 2008 at 02:59 AM (#2926891)
Note that teams do things like this all the time in their minor league systems.

I have never heard of a no-sinker rule. I've heard of no-slider rules, no-breaking ball rules, but never a no-sinker rule. It strikes me as dumb.
   12. greenback Posted: September 03, 2008 at 03:10 AM (#2926929)
Altoona's roster last season had an older average age than the Pirates.
...
That included the docking of pay for Lynchburg's staff for allowing Moskos to exceed his limit by a half-dozen pitches in a game April 23.

Um, wow.

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