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Saturday, March 27, 2010
Two hours before he took the mound against the Florida Marlins on Saturday, pitcher Brad Penny sat in the Cardinals clubhouse and listened as Hall of Famer Bob Gibson told stories from his decorative baseball career.
Gibson, of course, is one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history and his 1.12 ERA in 1968 is widely regarded as the reason Major League Baseball decided to lower the pitcher’s mound from 15 inches to 10 inches prior to the 1969 season.
So Penny sat and listened as Gibson talked about everything from his 14-inning complete game loss to his string of starts in the 1964 and 1967 World Series’.
“I love hearing those stories,” Penny said. “I was trying to figure out how in the world they threw 300-something innings every year. You would have to give me the ball and say ‘we’re not taking you out of the game, even if you give up 14 runs’. That to me is the most impressive thing. Those guys had like 50 percent complete games, throwing 300 innings a year. Those days are gone. You’re not going to see that anymore.”
Sure you will…just change the strike zone, the ball, and oil Ray Oyler up with a doozy of a re-ani dose.
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1. The District Attorney Posted: March 27, 2010 at 11:28 PM (#3487299)Wait, these old-timer Hall-of-Famers go around hawking their own replica jerseys?
We didn't see it that much then. Gibson threw 300+ only twice plus two seasons of 290+.
From 1925-1959, there were only 50 300+ seasons (1.5 per season).
From 1960-1980 (Carlton the last), there were 66.
From 1981 there have been none.
From 1925, your leaders are Perry and Roberts with 6 such seasons, Jenkins with 5, Wood/Palmer/Niekro/Hubbell/Drysdale with 4 each. Only half of those guys made it past 4000 IP. We've seen 4 guys pass that mark since 1981 (Maddux, Clemens, Johnson, Glavine) and Moyer might join them this year (needs 92 IP).
There were a lot more guys in the 3500-4000 range among the 60s workhorses though. Only Smoltz, who looks done, is within range of 3500 and the only other current pitcher over 3000 (and he ain't pitching). Is Johnson pitching this year? Wakefield, Pettitte and maybe but probably not Pedro will pass 3000 IP this year.
Well, in the three WS seasons, Gibson threw 27 more innings in the WS. Gibson's total innings (regular season plus post-season) from 1964-1970: 314.1, 299, 280.1, 202.1, 331.2, 314, 294. I think it's fair to say that Gibson was throwing 300 innings/season for that stretch (he broke his leg in 1967 and still threw 200+ innings, including dominating the WS).
1969 284.1
1972 282.1
1974 302.1
1975 275.2
1976 270.2
1977 330.1
1978 334.1
1979 342.0
And from 1967-1975, Perry threw 293, 291, 325, 329, 280, 342, 344, 322, 305. Same thing. They both beat Gibson pretty easily.
Gibson was a great pitcher but he never finished higher than 3rd in (regular season) IP, only led in complete games once and was never higher than 5th in games started. His career high in starts is the same as Halladay's (36) and Gibson had only 3 seasons with more than 33 starts. Only 92 of his 482 career starts came on 3 days rest. In contrast, 280 of Perry's 690 came on 3-days; Jenkins 226 of 594. Gibson was pretty much on a 5-day rotation for his career.
He was, and in that regard he was distinct from contemporaries such as Koufax, Marichal, Drysdale, and Bunning (as well as Larry Jackson), all of whom were working on the 4-day rotation more than Gibson.
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