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Tuesday, June 26, 2012

OT-P: President Obama Booed After Thanking Boston For Kevin Youkilis « CBS Boston

Political loyalties aren’t as strong as team loyalties.


NOTE: As I discussed in the Off-Topics, Politics, and the Redesign thread, in the redesign I’m making non-baseball content opt-in. Until the redesign is done (about two months), I’m designating one thread each month (similar to the basketball and soccer threads) as Off-Topic Politics (OT-P) and will restrict off-topic political conversations to that thread. Off-topic political comments which appear in other threads will be deleted. Since this thread has been highjacked, I’m designating this thread as the June OT-P thread.

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   1. Craig Calcaterra Posted: June 26, 2012 at 06:57 AM (#4166352)
For balance, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was asked to comment on the Youkilis trade from the Red Sox perspective. He issued a statement saying that his position on the trade "has long been clear." When no one could find his position on the trade, he said he was a against it. When footage was then found of him supporting a Youkilis trade back in primary season he blamed Obama for the Red Sox being in last place.
   2. Leroy Kincaid Posted: June 26, 2012 at 07:21 AM (#4166355)
They weren't boo-ing. It was the Kenyan translation of "huzzah".
   3. Jim Furtado Posted: June 26, 2012 at 07:24 AM (#4166357)
Craig, Obama gets kudos from me on this. Unlike guys like Romney and Kerry, he's actually a sports fan and wasn't just pandering.
   4. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: June 26, 2012 at 07:28 AM (#4166359)
Racists.
   5. Lassus Posted: June 26, 2012 at 07:41 AM (#4166361)
This is awesome. Good show.
   6. bobm Posted: June 26, 2012 at 07:55 AM (#4166366)
At least Obama has now proved he knows the name of at least one player on the White Sox, even if Youkilis never played at old "Cominskey Field." :)
   7. Craig in MN Posted: June 26, 2012 at 08:09 AM (#4166379)

Craig, Obama gets kudos from me on this. Unlike guys like Romney and Kerry, he's actually a sports fan and wasn't just pandering.


Well, Romney is a fan of "sport", if Dressage qualifies as a sport.


   8. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: June 26, 2012 at 08:29 AM (#4166385)
In addition to the "sport" thing, here are a couple more vaguely related Romneyisms:

(1) "I've been a hunter pretty much all my life. (...) I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear. I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will." His campaign later revealed that he has been hunting twice, once when he was 15 and once when he was about 60, the latter time at a Republican fundraiser. Dick Cheney may very well have shot more humans than Romney has shot small varmints, if you will.

(2) When at a car race, the announcer interviewing him asked if he follows racing. "Not as closely as some of the most ardent fans, but I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners."

It's fine that he's not a fan - in fact I think the obsession on the part of some to make sure politicians follow sports is kind of dumb - but don't pretend, man. It's just pathetic. It's like he's a step away from "I have always been a big fan of the side of fellows who represent this city and/or state in this form of sport."
   9. AndrewJ Posted: June 26, 2012 at 08:29 AM (#4166386)
Well, there goes Massachusetts. Oh, who am I kidding?
   10. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 26, 2012 at 08:39 AM (#4166390)
Is it unusual that a sitting President issues a partisan sports quote? I remember GWB being quoted about how it wouldn't be appropriate for him to openly root for the Rangers from the White House.
   11. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 08:41 AM (#4166391)
It's fine that he's not a fan - in fact I think the obsession on the part of some to make sure politicians follow sports is kind of dumb - but don't pretend, man. It's just pathetic. It's like he's a step away from "I have always been a big fan of the side of fellows who represent this city and/or state in this form of sport


It's not like you're going to be able to make a comment in passing, fans just won't let you get away with it (yet somehow Boston Mayor Thomas Menino keeps stepping into this problem over and over and over). However, whoever comes out against Jack Morris induction will definitely get my vote, no matter how badly they #### up the reasons why.
   12. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: June 26, 2012 at 08:44 AM (#4166392)
For what it's worth, I have always been a big fan of the side of fellows who represent this city and/or state in this form of sport, unless Jack Morris is one of them.
   13. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 26, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4166398)
Well, Romney is a fan of "sport", if Dressage qualifies as a sport.

And don't forget firing people, which has been his favorite sport of them all. (/ducks)
   14. bunyon Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:02 AM (#4166399)
I think these sorts of things get a lot of press and make a lot of noise and, ultimately, matters even less than all the other trivia that goes on in news reporting of campaigns. I mean, I can imagine a liberal Red Sox fan may, this morning, be outraged. Come November, that person isn't voting for Romney.

Anyone see Newsroom? My wife and I debated whether a candidate (not a reporter) who made exactly the same speech as the anchor at the beginning (the one to the students) would be hurt or helped. I tend to think we all generally know we're on the wrong track and, though we might disagree on which track to take, most people would welcome someone who put the situation bluntly.

My wife disagrees saying, basically, that that guy would be tarred and feathered.


Anyway, that kind of speech would stick. No one cares who the candidate roots for.
   15. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:03 AM (#4166400)
They weren't "booing" booing. It was mock booing. It was a joke, both ways.

Hey, there's a bear in south Brookline, up a tree! News is on the scene! Excellent! Let's frighten the bear!
   16. spike Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:05 AM (#4166404)
The comments section is precious.
   17. chemdoc Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:15 AM (#4166407)
I'm pretty sure they were saying "Youk" and not "Boo"!
   18. Chicago Joe Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:18 AM (#4166409)
I'm pretty sure they were saying "Youk" and not "Boo"!


Boo-rack?
   19. Bob Tufts Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:25 AM (#4166414)
As for other politicians:

John Kerry was for the trade before he was against it.
Nancy Pelosi said that they had to make the trade before they found out who was in it.
Rick Perry couldn't remember the three players involved.
John Boehner cried.
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:31 AM (#4166418)
The comments section is precious.


Boy, you'd almost get the opinion that people in Boston don't cotton to colored folks fom reading those comments.
   21. spike Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:36 AM (#4166419)
A bit of schadenfreude this Georgia boy.
   22. Dread Pirate Dave Roberts Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:36 AM (#4166420)
Anyone see Newsroom? My wife and I debated whether a candidate (not a reporter) who made exactly the same speech as the anchor at the beginning (the one to the students) would be hurt or helped. I tend to think we all generally know we're on the wrong track and, though we might disagree on which track to take, most people would welcome someone who put the situation bluntly.

My wife disagrees saying, basically, that that guy would be tarred and feathered.


I agree with your wife. Ask Jimmy Carter how well that went for him, and he never even used the word malaise.

Anyway, that kind of speech would stick. No one cares who the candidate roots for.


Agreed.
   23. McCoy Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4166423)
My wife disagrees saying, basically, that that guy would be tarred and feathered.

This. Sorkin monologues don't work in real life.
   24. zonk Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4166425)
Craig, Obama gets kudos from me on this. Unlike guys like Romney and Kerry, he's actually a sports fan and wasn't just pandering.


He's more of an NBA/college hoops fan than a baseball fan, but I agree --

In 2003, when he was a relatively unknown Senate candidate, I went to a fundraiser for him (we're talking $20 and reduced price Miller Lite out of a plastic cup) and asked him to sign a Cubs schedule I happened to have in my wallet... He signed it "Go White Sox!"

...and Craig's #1 requires googling just to make sure it isn't true!
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4166427)

My wife disagrees saying, basically, that that guy would be tarred and feathered.


I haven't seen Newsroom, but knowing Sorkin, he'd be tarred and feathered for being overly preachy.
   26. Russ Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:45 AM (#4166432)
Is it unusual that a sitting President issues a partisan sports quote? I remember GWB being quoted about how it wouldn't be appropriate for him to openly root for the Rangers from the White House.


I think that Obama refuses to compromise on who he is as a person. He would rather lose an election because he was himself than win it by being fake. This is why all the BS about his "evolution" in support of gay marriage being politically motivated is so frustrating.

I'm OK with people who don't vote for Obama because they disagree with his views on having a strong central federal government, a strong executive branch, and a strong, federally funded social infrastructure. Obama has a seething (and, in my opinion, justified) contempt for the legislative branch which might rub people the wrong way as well. But the people who say that's he's not genuine are just full of $hit or don't know that much about him (or both). The dude is who he is and although his views on the world evolve, he's pretty transparent on the reasons why. He's not like many other politicians and that is his greatest strength and also, probably, his greatest vulnerability. I could totally see him getting voted out of office because he refuses to play along with the usual election machine.
   27. Russ Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4166435)
This. Sorkin monologues don't work in real life.
Especially because news organizations would cut and splice the clip to the point where it would look like the person was saying the opposite of what they had intended.
   28. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4166436)
20...Ya think? It's not just Boston. And, any polarizing politician will have irrational detractors (as well as rational detractors). Unfortunately, the undercurrent of race runs just below the surface of these posts.

The same posters who worry about Obama's use of "casual language" neglect to mention that W constantly butchered the language. Maybe the difference is that Obama knows better, and just chooses to speak informally.
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4166437)

John Kerry was for the trade before he was against it.
Nancy Pelosi said that they had to make the trade before they found out who was in it.
Rick Perry couldn't remember the three players involved.
John Boehner cried.


Bill Clinton says it depends on what your definition of "trade" is.
Sen. Tom Coburn denies a trade actually happened, despite evidence to the contrary.
Rep. Ron Paul thinks its ludicrous anyone in federal government would even comment on a private action like a baseball trade.
Rep. William Jefferson somehow made $4000 in cash off the deal and it is now hiding in his fridge.
Former Gov. Sarah Palin says she can see the trade from her house.

   30. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4166440)
I was saying "Yooooooou're welcome."
   31. Spahn Insane Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4166441)
John Boehner cried.

He's upset the Reds didn't get Youkilis.

Well, Romney is a fan of "sport", if Dressage qualifies as a sport.


Is that "sport" in the Roger Maynard sense?
   32. Spahn Insane Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4166444)
Racists.

Probably, being from Boston and all, but being from Boston and all, they're probably Obama supporters anyway.
   33. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4166446)
I think that Obama refuses to compromise on who he is as a person. He would rather lose an election because he was himself than win it by being fake. This is why all the BS about his "evolution" in support of gay marriage being politically motivated is so frustrating.



I agree with this, although I think it pushes the "genuine" argument as far as it can possibly be. I was born a Yankee fan and I'll probably die a Yankees fan. But if I find myself in a Boston sports bar or if my boss is a Red Sox fan, I'll be quieter and less demonstrative. I don't think that reflects a lack of "being myself", just an acknowledgement that it may not be the world's greatest time to allow that facet of my personality to show.
   34. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 26, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4166447)
dressage is a sport and those who mock it do so out of ignorance

long-time horseman here

dressage is not my thing being a western guy but i respect the effort and dedication required

   35. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4166451)
Stop with the "Boston is racist" stuff, as in "Boston is particularly racist". If it makes you feel better to think you're any better at race relations where you live, good for you, but I doubt that you are.

South Boston, long a symbol of Boston bigotry, is a diverse community these days, and you see very little racial tension. Recently, a person of color was the victim of a violent crime (at the hands of another person of color), and neighbors of all races were interviewed and offered their support for the victim, saying how nice she and her family were (are). This is anecdotal but just as valid as the anecdotal stuff I'm sure you're relying on while making your comments.
   36. Russ Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4166452)
I agree with this, although I think it pushes the "genuine" argument as far as it can possibly be. I was born a Yankee fan and I'll probably die a Yankees fan. But if I find myself in a Boston sports bar or if my boss is a Red Sox fan, I'll be quieter and less demonstrative. I don't think that reflects a lack of "being myself", just an acknowledgement that it may not be the world's greatest time to allow that facet of my personality to show.


I'm not saying that it was a smart thing (or even a polite thing to say). Much of what I've read about Obama is that he's a pretty direct guy and not exactly well-mannered, but that's one of the things that endears him to me. I would always rather trust the person who errs on the side of too much honesty rather than not enough.

   37. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4166455)
I don't think anyone here is trying to say that dressage isn't a sport. But you have to admit that horse dancing is a bit of a snooty-sounding thing. It combines all of the perceived masculinity of ballet and the exclusivity of equestrian sports.
   38. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4166458)
dressage is a sport and those who mock it do so out of ignorance


Eh, my sister did dressage for many years, I guess it's a sport, in the sense that lots of things can be categorized as sports such as competitive herding with dogs, but it's certainly worthy of mockery.
   39. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4166464)
I think that Obama refuses to compromise on who he is as a person. He would rather lose an election because he was himself than win it by being fake.

Two words: puh and leeeeze. It's likely that Obama has never in his life said the word "folks" without a podium in front of him. If he looks like a real person, maybe it's because he's running against the robot from "Metropolis."
   40. Joey B. "disrespects the A" Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:14 AM (#4166467)
I think that Obama refuses to compromise on who he is as a person. He would rather lose an election because he was himself than win it by being fake.

I think you're living in a complete dream world. Try reading the new David Maraniss book; Obama is as phony and insincere as any politician who has ever lived. Even his autobiography is half bullsh*t. And Maraniss isn't some birther, he's a well-credentialed liberal.
   41. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4166469)
I'm surprised this is getting the analyses it's getting. He was obviously joking. He knew what the reaction would be. It was all in fun. The crowd adored him. The booing was all in fun. Jesus. Some people will grasp at any straw.
   42. Lassus Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:17 AM (#4166471)
I think "refuses" is an oversell, but not as much as Joey's "actually a parsel-tongued snake devil", so there's some give and take there.
   43. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4166472)
It's hard to watch that video and not realize that those boos were obviously good natured. You'd have to be pretty damn clueless not to realize that Obama wasn't just playing off his long and well known White Sox fandom and having fun at the expense of his Red Sox supporters, and not to realize that the Boston crowd wasn't just acting out its implicitly assigned role.
   44. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4166473)
I'm surprised this is getting the analyses it's getting. He was obviously joking. He knew what the reaction would be. It was all in fun. The crowd adored him. The booing was all in fun. Jesus. Some people will grasp at any straw.

"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."
   45. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM (#4166474)
Since the edit function isn't working, coke to Bivens.
   46. squatto Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4166475)
My first reaction was that the fans were probably Youkin'.

No one's linked this yet, but Obama on baseball, with Bob Costas, circa 2009 .

Bits I enjoyed: his first MLB game was a Royals game when he was 11 or 12. He doesn't remember who was on the Royals at that time. He says there is some debate as to who has the bigger potty-mouth, Ozzie or Rahm. I'll leave the rest for you to enjoy.
   47. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4166476)
i competed in licensed events for both competitive herding as well as hound field trials

also competed in marksmanship events for both shotgun and rifle

also rodeo

   48. Esoteric Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM (#4166479)
Are we all done patting each other on the back in here? Good? Okay, let's shut this thread down now.
   49. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM (#4166480)
Sure Harvey, if you cast a wide enough net almost any activity can be a sport. Net casting, for example.

Video gaming is considered a sport by many. Never play a Korean at Starcraft.
   50. squatto Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4166481)
also rodeo

As a clown?
   51. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4166483)
also competed in marksmanship events for both shotgun and rifle


Note to self: Don't piss off Harvey.
   52. Chicago Joe Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4166485)
Two words: puh and leeeeze. It's likely that Obama has never in his life said the word "folks" without a podium in front of him. If he looks like a real person, maybe it's because he's running against the robot from "Metropolis."


He used to tend more towards "guys" than "folks", at least when he was in the Statehouse here in Illinois. Both my dad and I had occasion to meet him in informal circumstances (myself in a bar that each of us frequented) and my dad because he was a legislative specialist. Nice guy and easy to talk to. Avid NC and CHIW fan, though he was accepting of my Illini fandom. Not so much with the Cubs, though.
   53. escabeche Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4166488)
It's likely that Obama has never in his life said the word "folks" without a podium in front of him.


Wait, what? Why? I use that word reasonably often and I think I'm culturally more or less in the same bucket as Obama.
   54. zonk Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4166489)

I think you're living in a complete dream world. Try reading the new David Maraniss book; Obama is as phony and insincere as any politician who has ever lived. Even his autobiography is half bullsh*t. And Maraniss isn't some birther, he's a well-credentialed liberal.


I think he's earnest - but a good politician... and a good politician has to, on occasion, be phony and insincere. Jimmy Carter wasn't phony and I think he was fairly sincere - and look where that got him.

If the question is - does he believe the soaring rhetoric, the 'hope and change', in a fundamental transformation of the status quo? OK - that, I'll give you... I think he's a lot more cautious and conventional than his rhetoric and whatever 'sheen' certain media outlets, some circles of his support, and yes - his campaign apparatus - have layered onto him.

He's a wonk who masquerades as a rock star -- but rock stars win elections and wonks don't, so I don't hold it against him.

I don't claim that I've got any sort of enormous insight into him, but like I said -- I attended several smaller campaign events when he was a Senate primary candidate and outside of the canned speeches (which were special, even in a sparse crowd of 50 people), the politician he most reminded me of in more conversational/discussion oriented settings was actually Dick Lugar. Circumspect, even-handed, not wishy-washy or without a compass - but certainly more willing to consider alternate ideas and theories than most partisans would prefer (and I say this AS a partisan).
   55. Chicago Joe Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4166493)
and whatever 'sheen' certain media outlets, some circles of his support, and yes - his campaign apparatus - have layered onto him.


Probably more Martin than Charlie.
   56. Spahn Insane Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4166497)
Stop with the "Boston is racist" stuff, as in "Boston is particularly racist". If it makes you feel better to think you're any better at race relations where you live, good for you, but I doubt that you are.

Oh, jeez--my original post was completely tongue in cheek (playing on the very "Boston is racist" rap you allude to). That said, I apologize for any offense it caused, as none was intended.
   57. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4166500)
jose

bah. since the stroke my aim has gone to hell

some twerp kids were vandalizing my wife's flower garden and i missed their backsides completely with the shots of rock salt

scared the crap out of them though so not a total waste
   58. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4166501)
I think that Obama refuses to compromise on who he is as a person. He would rather lose an election because he was himself than win it by being fake. This is why all the BS about his "evolution" in support of gay marriage being politically motivated is so frustrating.


I think you're living in a complete dream world. Try reading the new David Maraniss book; Obama is as phony and insincere as any politician who has ever lived. Even his autobiography is half bullsh*t. And Maraniss isn't some birther, he's a well-credentialed liberal.


I think the truth on this little point is quite a bit closer t Joey's take on it...

Of course Obama is not as phony and insincere as any politician who has ever lived- one only need to look at Romney to find someone even phonier and less sincere, plus I get to live in NYC, so I see and hear quite a bit from and about two incredibly (by politico standards) insincere phonies, Governors Cuomo and Christie.

as he is in so many things, Obama is once again surprisingly pedestrian and mediocre.
   59. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4166502)
Both my dad and I had occasion to meet him in informal circumstances (myself in a bar that each of us frequented) and my dad because he was a legislative specialist. Nice guy and easy to talk to.


I recall in the 2000 election that the notoriously liberal mainstream media opined that a very important consideration in vetting presidential candidates was the test of which candidate you would rather have a beer with - folksy man of the people Dubya Bush, or uptight wonk Al Gore. I'm sure we'll see a resurrection of this standard in the coming months; combined with a thorough examination of Mormon beliefs akin to those published about Obama's former church, this will clearly prove once and for all that the liberal media hate Republicans.
   60. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:41 AM (#4166503)
It's likely that Obama has never in his life said the word "folks" without a podium in front of him.

Wait, what? Why? I use that word reasonably often and I think I'm culturally more or less in the same bucket as Obama.


I don't know you, but I imagine it doesn't come out nearly as artificial and canned when you say it. Romney's a "folks" guy, too; presumably the research shows that it's a good word for politicians to use. Just one irritating piece of the whole "rather have a beer with" chapter of Politics for Dummies.
   61. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4166504)
scared the crap out of them though so not a total waste


If that is literal then at least you got some fresh fertilizer out of the deal!
   62. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4166506)
Are we all done patting each other on the back in here? Good? Okay, let's shut this thread down now.

What's the point of this comment?

I think the truth on this little point is quite a bit closer t Joey's take on it...

If you find yourself agreeing with Joey, it might be time to reassess your views.
   63. aleskel Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4166509)
Obama is not as phony and insincere as any politician who has ever lived- one only need to look at Romney to find someone even phonier and less sincere

I'm sorry, but no one, and I mean no one, could be more phony (at least in their general mien, not necessarily their political beliefs) than the Bushes, HW and W.

One of the most ludicrous aspects of W's good-ole-boy act: the Crawford ranch, where he spent all those vacations clearing brush? He bought it in 1999. And when his presidency ended, he moved to Dallas.
   64. zonk Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4166510)
Furtado weighed in - so I think that buys the thread a page and a half....
   65. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4166511)
I don't know you, but I imagine it doesn't come out nearly as artificial and canned when you say it. Romney's a "folks" guy, too; presumably the research shows that it's a good word for politicians to use. Just one irritating piece of the whole "rather have a beer with" chapter of Politics for Dummies.


I remember back in 1984, Walter Mondale in the midst of his catastrophically awful campaign made a stop near where I was living, went to a local bowling alley, followed by the local media, donned a red checkered flannel shirt (while wearing un-pleated grey trousers...) and promptly rolled a gutter ball... maybe that was his warm up, maybe it was his only gutter, but it's all the TV showed...
   66. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4166512)
One of the most ludicrous aspects of W's good-ole-boy act: the Crawford ranch, where he spent all those vacations clearing brush? He bought it in 1999. And when his presidency ended, he moved to Dallas.


Come on hippie, if that were true don't you think the notoriously liberal media who hate people of devout faith would have pilloried Dubya for being as dishonest and insincere as Al Gore, who claimed to have personally invented the Internet?

Speaking of the Photo Op Ranch, see if you can find a photo of Cowboy Bush riding a horse.
   67. bunyon Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4166515)
bah. since the stroke my aim has gone to hell

That's what they make automatic weapons for. Land mines are also useful in this situation.


   68. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4166520)
I remember back in 1984, Walter Mondale in the midst of his catastrophically awful campaign made a stop near where I was living, went to a local bowling alley, followed by the local media, donned a red checkered flannel shirt (while wearing un-pleated grey trousers...) and promptly rolled a gutter ball... maybe that was his warm up, maybe it was his only gutter, but it's all the TV showed...


And remember we have a fiercely liberal media, so the real footage must have been even more damning - Mondale staring intently at this mysterious black sphere, wondering what the holes were for as the slowly rotated it in his small, effeminate hands.
   69. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4166523)
Furtado weighed in - so I think that buys the thread a page and a half....


Not only did Jim weigh in, he posted the damn thread ... looks like meat's politics's back on the menu!

   70. Morty Causa Posted: June 26, 2012 at 10:59 AM (#4166525)
Dressage? Is that the time-honored Mormon sport of tracking, killing, and gutting the wily horse in the field, and then bringing 'em back on the hood of your BMW SUV?
   71. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4166528)
I'm sorry, but no one, and I mean no one, could be more phony (at least in their general mien, not necessarily their political beliefs) than the Bushes, HW and W.

I will grant you W, he was a bit of a phony with the ranch thing, but I think HW came off as he was. Patrician, but a good guy.
   72. Joey B. "disrespects the A" Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:02 AM (#4166530)
Not only did Jim weigh in, he posted the damn thread ... looks like meat's politics's back on the menu!

Yeah, it is a little odd that Furtado posts a Repozian political pinata thread after claiming once again a little while back that politics was going to be put off into its own little section. I'm starting to strongly suspect this is all just a big silly game that's being played.
   73. Morty Causa Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4166534)
"I say, old bean, these balls are out of round."
   74. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4166535)
56...ok, no harm. I didn't get you're tone.
   75. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4166536)
Before this thread gets taken down, last week Harveys claimed that Republican discipline was going to kick in and no one was going to make too much of a fuss about Obama's executive order on immigration... It looks indeed that even most teapers got the message and there has been little ranting from or pandering to the "know nothing" wing...

until yesterday, looks like no one gave the memo to Scalia...
   76. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4166538)
I'm starting to strongly suspect this is all just a big silly game that's being played.

*Slaps hand on table and screams "YAHTZEE"!!!*
   77. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4166539)
Dressage? Is that the time-honored Mormon sport of tracking, killing, and gutting the wily horse in the field, and then bringing 'em back on the hood of your BMW SUV?


I thought the Mormon tradition was to kill it in the field while dressed up as Indians, and take any young colts back to your compound to be converted. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I only know a few Mormons since I live in Colorado.
   78. The Good Face Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4166544)
Before this thread gets taken down, last week Harveys claimed that Republican discipline was going to kick in and no one was going to make too much of a fuss about Obama's executive order on immigration... It looks indeed that even most teapers got the message and there has been little ranting from or pandering to the "know nothing" wing...

until yesterday, looks like no one gave the memo to Scalia...


Scalia doesn't count. He's like the honey badger of conservatives.
   79. Biscuit_pants Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4166547)
One of the most ludicrous aspects of W's good-ole-boy act: the Crawford ranch, where he spent all those vacations clearing brush? He bought it in 1999. And when his presidency ended, he moved to Dallas.
While I don't care who is more fake, this is a bit of a stretch. My mother, 7 years ago swore she was going to be a on the go, do it yourself, self-sufficient woman into her 90's. She moves into a maintenance free community in a month. My dad 5 years ago wanted to move to the country and create a huge garden, which was his hobby, today his garden is smaller than it was when he had a 5x10 plot to work with in Chicago. At that age peoples health dictate what they decide is how they are going to live their lives. Did Bush get the ranch for votes, don't know, don't care but plenty of people cannot physically do what they used to enjoy in a 7 year time frame.
   80. Lassus Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4166549)
Between the substance of and commentary on internet dating, reality TV, and politics in this modern world I must admit I've lost sight of whatever the hell "phony" is supposed to mean.
   81. Answer Guy Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4166552)
Boy, you'd almost get the opinion that people in Boston don't cotton to colored folks fom reading those comments.


For crying out loud, it's a news site comment board. They're not any better in DC. They're like that everywhere.
   82. Biscuit_pants Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4166555)
Between the substance of and commentary on internet dating, reality TV, and politics in this modern world I must admit I've lost sight of whatever the hell "phony" is supposed to mean.
I assume everyone on this site is a phony, except Smitty*, I really do think that man hates pants. It looks like Ackbar was right from the begining.
   83. Answer Guy Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4166557)
I mean, I can imagine a liberal Red Sox fan may, this morning, be outraged. Come November, that person isn't voting for Romney.


I don't think there's really any outrage. He's a fan of the other party to the trade, and I think we all know that, and if we had friends who were ChiSox fans we'd expect them to say something similar. He's not pretending to be a Red Sox fan and I don't see why he should have to.
   84. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4166560)
While I don't care who is more fake, this is a bit of a stretch.


No its not.
   85. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4166565)
Furtado weighed in - so I think that buys the thread a page and a half....


Dude, Jimmy
posted this story
. Jimmy's Repozzing his own website!
   86. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4166571)
He's not pretending to be a Red Sox fan and I don't see why he should have to.

He's actually pretending that baseball is important enough to include in his address. Context is everything. He's not expected to go on MLBnetwork and dissect and analyze the pennant races. It was a non-sequitur, to begin his address.
   87. aleskel Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4166578)
but I think HW came off as he was. Patrician, but a good guy.

I was too young to be fully aware of it, but my understanding of HW was that during the Reagan years and his presidency he would try to adopt some Texas affectations, which he was pretty lousy at, then completely dropped the act and went Kennebunkport after he was voted out.
   88. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4166580)
I mean, I can imagine a liberal Red Sox fan may, this morning, be outraged.

*slaps forehead*

No. I can't. Unless they're an imbecile.
   89. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4166599)
If W maintained his Crawford Ranch for craven vote-getting reasons, wouldn't he have shut it all down in November 2004? He probably could have gotten a better price for it then as well.
   90. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4166600)
HW vacationed at Kennebunkport during his presidency. And FWIW, I think he was genuine about liking pork rinds and disliking broccoli.
   91. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4166603)
but I think HW came off as he was. Patrician, but a good guy.


Stop talking about Harveys as if he's not here.
   92. Biscuit_pants Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4166604)
No its not.
Point well stated, I completely agree with the assertion now.
   93. bunyon Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4166612)
I mean, I can imagine a liberal Red Sox fan may, this morning, be outraged.

*slaps forehead*

No. I can't. Unless they're an imbecile.


Well, yeah, that's basically what I meant. There are plenty of liberal Red Sox fans who are imbeciles (and conservative Yankee fans who are, too). I just don't think, however imbecilic that person is, that comments about fandom are going to affect votes.
   94. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4166620)
At least HW played sports. He was the captain of the Yale baseball team (who reached the College World Series twice).
I dislike him politically, but I fully respect his baseball/sports credentials.
   95. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: June 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4166623)
I didn't agree with most of his policies, but I never thought George HW Bush was a phony or particuarly dishonest.

For recent presidents and presidential candidates, I'd rank their phoniness as follows:

Romney > Edwards > Bush junior > McCain > Reagan > Kerry > HRC > Obama > Clinton > Gore > Bush senior > Dole > Carter

Gore, Bush senior, Dole, and Kerry were all fairly stiff patricians, but I don't think any of them really pretended otherwise.
   96. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 26, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4166627)
We have talked about this before. I can't imagine disagreeing politically more with anyone than I did with W.

But as far as baseball, he owned a team and actually voted against interleague play (the only owner, IMR, that voted this way). His "rancher" bona fides might be in doubt, but I don't think his baseball ones are, at least as far as I'm concerned.
   97. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: June 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4166634)
I have no doubt that W is a serious baseball fan.
   98. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: June 26, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4166642)
Not just serious, but baseball-conservative, as this vote shows. I support this.
   99. Esoteric Posted: June 26, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4166644)
Romney > Edwards
Oh spare me. Could the distortion of your political bias be any more apparent?

By the way, I see people talking all the time about how Romney is "phony" but I don't see it at all. It strikes me as a lazy meme that gets repeated without any actual thought to it, because in my estimation it just really isn't that true. Romney comes across as the guy I think he really is: a genuinely Ward Cleaver-esque throwback in his personal life and mores (surely nobody is arguing that his sterling family life or commitment to private charity is phony -- this is a guy who literally spends his spare time building houses for people and uprooting stumps and making sure there's no media coverage of it), and somewhat awkward conservative-leaning pragmatist in terms of his politics. Where's the "phoniness?" This bias towards people who pick up their flaming swords and bellow a battlecry of pure, unvarnished emotion strikes me as childish, especially because THAT is more likely to be a 'pose' from a politician than Romney's native caution and reluctance to commit on the record to things he honestly doesn't think are good ideas.

Again: the whole "Romney's so PHONY!" thing is just a meme that liberals repeat to themselves without actually analyzing it, because if they actually tried to square it with his public actions and words it would be immediately clear that it ISN'T true. After all, isn't the OTHER criticism of Romney that he 'gaffes' too often by making it known how rich and "out of touch" he is? I mean, it's not like he's an ultra-rich, adulterous trial lawyer posing as a 'virtuous man of the people' -- that was John Edwards' schtick, and it's why Yearrgghhh's patently hackish ranking of Romney ahead of Edwards is so auto-discrediting, so obviously based on "oh no, Obama might lose to this guy!" reflex-fear. Rather, Romney holds himself out as the guy he truly seems to be: a very rich businessman with a strong pragmatic streak, a downright admirable personal life, and a decidedly awkward public bearing borne out of native caution and the ghosts of his father's experiences.
   100. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4166646)

Gore, Bush senior, Dole, and Kerry were all fairly stiff patricians,


Didn't Bush Senior just have an interview where he admitted now that he's not in public office he didn't have to pretend he was a Texan anymore?

I'm also a big Clinton fan and voted against McCain, but I don't see how anyone could have him as less phony than John McCain. McCain may "sell out" for his party at times, but in interviews he seems to be as he genuinely is. I think Bill Clinton genuinely cares about people, but that sometimes falls to the wayside in favor of his own self-interest.

I think W was pretty genuine. He was Frat Boy in Chief with a churchy bent. I don't think he hid that.

Edwards > Romney > Palin > Clinton > Reagan > HW Bush > Kerry > HRC > Gore > W. > Obama > McCain > Dole > Carter
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