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Thursday, July 18, 2019

Price responds as Eckersley dispute resurfaces

Two years ago, Red Sox lefty David Price set up a meeting to apologize to Dennis Eckersley for yelling at the Hall of Famer in front of his teammates on a team flight from Boston to Toronto.

When Eckersley chose not to show up for the meeting, he said he just wanted to “move on.”

And that’s why Price was angered on Wednesday by a profile on Eckersley in The Boston Globe in which the NESN analyst and former closer discussed the incident.

“I didn’t know how to deal with that,” Eckersley said of the incident. “I don’t plan on saying a word to him, I don’t plan on seeing him, never. I don’t really give a [expletive] one way or another. I don’t think he really cares one way or the other.”

Jim Furtado Posted: July 18, 2019 at 12:28 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: david price, dennis eckersley, red sox

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   1. RoyalFlush Posted: July 18, 2019 at 05:21 PM (#5863039)
Seems like petty crap by all parties. No one wins.
   2. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: July 18, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5863050)
Yeah that’s about right. Frankly, in this iteration I blame Price the least.

It started with Chad Finn of the Boston Globe (their media reporter) did a piece on Eck that was shared here. It was a good piece and there was a throwaway line about the 2017 kerfuffle. As Finn has noted on Twitter it’s part of the story of Eck as a broadcaster.

The next day Alex Reimer of WEEI.com put together a bit of a hit piece on Price about it which meant the media “had” to ask Price about it. Price responded in what I thought was a fairly tame way but it was clear that he was not a fan of Eck.

Cue Twitter and sports radio outrage and the story is on.

There was nothing new in the initial piece and no reason for it to be raised with Price but one thing led to another and here we are.

Tl;dr a bunch of BS not worth our time.
   3. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: July 18, 2019 at 06:43 PM (#5863061)
If it weren't for Price's thin skin and delicate ego, this wouldn't even exist. He's the one who hunted Eck down on the team plane to scream in his face.
   4. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 18, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5863081)
David Price is pitching well, which is all I really give a #### about. He's making $31m this year, and $96 million more between 2020-2022. Between the 2018 postseason and the way he's pitching this year, nobody in New England is complaining about the contract. Considering where he stood in the public eye up here a few years ago, that's an accomplishment. If I were him, I'd just keep pitching well, staying healthy, and not reading the Globe or listening to WEEI. Whatever.
   5. Srul Itza Posted: July 18, 2019 at 09:04 PM (#5863085)
There was an old saying about never start a war of words with someone who buys ink by the barrel. Players used to be bit more circumspect about starting up with the media.

With social media today, anyone can have a platform, and the war is fought on more even ground.

   6. villageidiom Posted: July 19, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5863157)
Yeah that’s about right. Frankly, in this iteration I blame Price the least.
Eck is asked about it and says he's moved on. Price is asked about it and says he's moved on but clearly Eck hasn't if he's still talking about it to the media. Of the two, Price is perpetuating it more... There's a ton of irony in his comments about who has moved on.

But there's nothing here, ultimately.
   7. Cris E Posted: July 19, 2019 at 11:29 AM (#5863172)
There are a lot of people in sports and sports media that continually churn and move and bump into one another across the country and across the years. There's no way they're all going to get along, much less have any need for a substantial relationship. A media member's animus will color the work, so knowing that might help interpret certain reporting. But no one needs to know what players think about media, that's just human interest nonsense. If it turns out there's a goofy relationship where an announcer is always busting a friend's chops on the air then that can be fun, but what's the news in a player being ticked that bad things were said after a poor performance? Yawn.

EDIT: All that said, Price gets a couple points for trying to do the right thing and sticking with his "...And it continues to come up. There’s no reason for it. Honestly, I just think it’s trash.”
   8. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 19, 2019 at 12:17 PM (#5863186)
Eck is asked about it and says he's moved on. Price is asked about it and says he's moved on but clearly Eck hasn't if he's still talking about it to the media. Of the two, Price is perpetuating it more... There's a ton of irony in his comments about who has moved on.
Yeah, no.

Eckersley in that piece: "I didn’t know how to deal with that. I don’t plan on saying a word to him, I don’t plan on seeing him, never. I don’t really give a (expletive) one way or another. I don’t think he really cares one way or the other.”

Eck has every right to say that, but that is decidedly not "I've moved on." *Especially* given his blowing off the meeting Price tried to arrange to apologize.

Price was in the wrong with his initial tirade, but at this stage a lot of this is on Eck.
   9. villageidiom Posted: July 19, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5863280)
Eck has every right to say that, but that is decidedly not "I've moved on." *Especially* given his blowing off the meeting Price tried to arrange to apologize.
I mean, in your last sentence it's 100% clear Eck moved on before Price.

Neither one of them has brought the subject up, and while both have discussed it when asked neither appears pleased to discuss it. Price asked Eck to discuss it further with him in private, and Eck didn't participate. Sure it's a dick move by Eck not to tell him he wasn't going to show, and good for Price for at least attempting to make things right between them. But that's a different subject. The point is that both of them are handling the issue in the media the same way - answer not dodge, and express displeasure, and say they want to move on - but Price seems to think Eck is doing the opposite of him.

The standard being applied here by Price is that anyone who ever discusses the past, when asked about the past, has not moved on from the past. “(Eck should) say he doesn't want to talk about it. Like he said, he wants to move on. You want to move on? You move on. That's it... It happened. I dealt with it. I moved on. He obviously hasn't." Like, that's it. Eck talked about it instead of saying "I don't want to talk about it", so in Price's view Eck "obviously" hasn't moved on, while Price - WHO IS DOING THE SAME ####### THING AS ECK, talking instead of just saying he doesn't want to talk - thinks he has. This is a completely absurd standard, and it's one that Price applies to Eck but not himself.

Again, let me emphasize that ultimately there's nothing here. As I said, neither is happy to answer, but neither is dodging the questions. And neither is bringing it up. That's the basic element not just in this case but in pretty much every case where someone complains about what a celebrity said. Why is the celebrity bringing it up? In most cases, they're not.

In the interview Eck talks about his alcoholism, about his first wife's affair with his teammate and close friend, about career adversity in general, about the Gibson HR. He talks about all of it. So when they ask about the Price incident he's supposed to say "I'm not going to talk about it"? Wouldn't that make it an even bigger story? Like, his wife and best friend behind his back, and the divorce, and then having to raise a daughter along with the two of them, he'll talk about that but not Price? And that, when published, will make the Price incident go away? In the Boston sports media market? That's incredibly naive. Maybe David Price is incredibly naive, or (more likely) he hasn't really thought through what would happen here other than that he's getting questions and wants the questions to go away.

I mean, after the Eck interview the folks on this site were saying things like "Very, very nice story, made me like Eckersley a lot more." Nobody said "I can't believe he's bringing up the David Price stuff," or "wow he clearly hasn't moved on from the Price thing," or whatever. In the article, Eck just moving on and getting back to living life is clearly a consistent element of his life and career. The Price incident was at best a punchline at that point. Only after David Price claimed Eck hasn't moved on are we even discussing it. The media saw a worm everyone was overlooking, and baited the hook. Price bit. So yeah, bad on the Boston media for striving to make something out of nothing, but bad on Price for obliging them. And bad on us for getting hooked as well.
   10. villageidiom Posted: July 19, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5863310)
Just to be 100% clear: they're both trying to move on, on their own terms. Eck's terms are independent of Price, and incompatible with Price's terms.

Regarding the incident, Eck is the victim. Price attacked him for having indicated a teammate's bad performance was bad, which in reality was Eck doing his job well. If he's going to be attacked for doing his job well, then there's really no reason to trust the attacker. It's much the same as if Price were pitching perfect games in every outing but being blamed by the media for a teammate's bad performance (due to Price's lack of leadership or whatever); Price would have no reason to trust the media nor to want to interact with them. Eck's version of moving on is not to dwell on it and just live life. He'll answer questions about it if asked, but when the questions stop Eck goes back to living life. Whether it's a coping mechanism or not, it's how he has consistently dealt with adversity in his life. He's moving on, on his own terms. He needs nothing from Price to do so.

Price was the transgressor. He knows he was wrong to do what he did, even if his intentions (to defend his teammate) were good. For him to move on he wants closure, and for that closure he wants to apologize directly to Eck, face to face. In a way, that closure requires a concession from the victim - show up and sit there while I say what I want, and oh by the way we will be revisiting the thing you want to move on from. Price has no right to that, and given he has breached the trust with Eck there's not much incentive for Eck to grant him that opportuity. Price cannot get the closure he wants. Instead, he is stuck with the loose thread of having done something wrong and not making it right. Every time questions are asked he is reminded of that status: he did something wrong and is unable to make it right. It pisses him off not to have closure he wants, but in a sense he has the closure a transgressor deserves.

All of this is just natural, for both people. But I'm not going to shed a tear over a victim not granting the transgressor the specific form of closure he wants. The notion that Eckersley should go into a room to be talked at by Price, to bring closure to a situation in which Eckersley was unjustifiably ripped by Price... Like, why would Price be entitled to that? Why would he think any sales pitch would work on Eck to get him in that room?

On further reflection it's not that Price is taking the high road. He's trying to climb his way off the low road, and expecting the guy he tried to run off the road to lend him a hand.

Again, it's good for Price to recognize an apology is in order. If he knows he shouldn't have done it, and has remorse, and seeks forgiveness, that's like 95% of the way there, and I don't mean to suggest any of that is bad. It's great. It's bad that it was necessary, but it's great that he knows it. I just hope he figures out that he's not entitled to the other 5%, and if he wanted Eck to help him with that then maybe he shouldn't have attacked Eck. If an attacker needs the victim's forgiveness for closure, then the attacker should recognize they might never get it, and either accept a different form of closure or just deal with it.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 19, 2019 at 08:45 PM (#5863352)
David Price is pitching well . . .
He’s allowed 6 earned runs through 4 innings against the Orioles tonight. What’s Price going to do when he has to face real Major Leaguers?
   12. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 19, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5863370)
Like, why would Price be entitled to that? Why would he think any sales pitch would work on Eck to get him in that room?


He isn't entitled, but once Eckersley granted him the request, it was churlish not to appear.

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