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Thursday, April 26, 2012

Price: Where does Jose Reyes really rank in Mets history

This time it Koonce! (laying in notebook for years…had to use)

But something that stuck with me from Tuesday’s game was a comment from Gary Cohen during Jose Reyes’ at-bat in the eighth. He was talking about where Reyes ranks in Mets history and said - if you take away pitchers - he’s likely in the top 5.

It’s been on my mind all day and I have to say - after thinking about it and discussing it with Met experts Dave the Harness Guy and Eric the Sunday Guy, I have to say, No Way, Jose.

OK, when you talk all-time Met position players, four jump out immediately: Darryl Strawberry, Mike Piazza, Keith Hernandez and Gary Carter. I guess this is where Cohen was going, but I think Ed Kranepool, Rusty Staub, Cleon Jones, Mookie and David Wright go on that list ahead of Reyes. And if you ask me, HoJo and Maz may get the nod, too.

Ok, I know Reyes has some of the best numbers in the franchise’s history, but this is not about numbers, if it were, John Franco and Armando Bentiez would be ahead of Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell on any list.

This is about what he meant to the franchise. Listen, Jose was a great Met, very exciting, hit a lot of triples, stole a lot of bases, but he is also one of the faces of an unacheiving group that blew two division leads and lost an NLCS to an inferior opponent.

Repoz Posted: April 26, 2012 at 06:06 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Doris from Rego Park Posted: April 26, 2012 at 07:30 AM (#4116633)
Still can't believe Mets fans are booing him this week (or at least last night, when I was at Citi). What ******* losers.
   2. Lassus Posted: April 26, 2012 at 07:56 AM (#4116634)
Agree, it was embarrassing.

(Also, there is a difference between "not cheering" and "lustily booing". They aren't even booing him because he's great, or has killed them so far this year. They are booing him because they are petty shits.

A couple Mets fans at work were happy that he was doing poorly, because he left. I accused them of being socialists, because they wanted him to work for less money than someone else would pay, when his employer wouldn't even OFFER to pay - I asked them if either of them would do that.

BLANK STARE ACTIVATE

   3. YR Misses Reggie Bars Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4116677)
A couple Mets fans at work were happy that he was doing poorly, because he left. I accused them of being socialists, because they wanted him to work for less money than someone else would pay, when his employer wouldn't even OFFER to pay - I asked them if either of them would do that.


I assume they laughed heartily at you characterization and pointed out that the Mets have some $100 million in fairly-earned revenue confiscated from them annually and redistributed to teams like the Marlins rather than used to compensate their own roster.
   4. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:38 AM (#4116683)
I assume they laughed heartily at you characterization and pointed out that the Mets have some $100 million in fairly-earned revenue confiscated from them annually and redistributed to teams like the Marlins rather than used to compensate their own roster.


Never let being colossally simpleminded and one-note make you think twice about blessing us with your insights.
   5. YR Misses Reggie Bars Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4116691)
When has that eve stopped anyone online, even a cosmopolitan sophisticate of your rank?
   6. formerly dp Posted: April 26, 2012 at 09:55 AM (#4116696)
A couple Mets fans at work were happy that he was doing poorly, because he left. I accused them of being socialists, because they wanted him to work for less money than someone else would pay, when his employer wouldn't even OFFER to pay - I asked them if either of them would do that.

BLANK STARE ACTIVATE


Awesome.

Reyes looks rather clean-cut this year-- maybe it's just an early-season thing, but I don't remember his hair being that short with the Mets.

He was a great Met and an absolute joy to watch play. I still don't think he'll be worth that contract, but as long as he's not hitting well against the Mets, I don't get the animosity.

My wife officially no longer cares about the Mets at all now that Jose's gone. So that sucks. She does not heart David Wright. Some chix dig the longballz, mine prefers triples...
   7. Flynn Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM (#4116705)
WAR fun:

Reyes, 29.3 WAR.

Hernandez 27.7 WAR.

Carter 11.2 WAR.

Straw 37.7 WAR.

Piazza 25.3 WAR.

For giggles: David Wright 32.6 WAR.

You can debate Piazza and Hernandez, but he's definitely better than Carter. Carter had two good seasons before his decline set in.

   8. JJ1986 Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4116713)
Reyes looks rather clean-cut this year-- maybe it's just an early-season thing, but I don't remember his hair being that short with the Mets.


He cut his hair off for charity at some point in the offseason.
   9. zack Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:15 AM (#4116715)
The real problem with losing Reyes was that he was the only one who could dethrone Kranepool from those last few career leaderboards: at bats, PAs, hits, singles. Wright might catch him as well, but it'll be a lot longer.

Wright is about to take care of times on base (40 short) and sac flies (4 short). Still 5 years from games played.
   10. formerly dp Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4116716)
He cut his hair off for charity at some point in the offseason.

What a selfish prick.
   11. salvomania Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4116742)
Really, "Maz"?????
   12. salvomania Posted: April 26, 2012 at 10:59 AM (#4116746)
Really, "Maz"?????


That's like casually throwing out "the Babe" and expecting people to think you're talking about the guy who was awesome in the '09 series.
   13. CrosbyBird Posted: April 26, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4116751)
I still don't think he'll be worth that contract, but as long as he's not hitting well against the Mets, I don't get the animosity.

Seeing Reyes in another uniform makes me angry, but at the Wilpons. A very small part of me takes consolation in the size of the contract, but the cold, hard reality is that the most exciting player to wear my team's uniform in my lifetime isn't on the team any more.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: April 26, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4116804)
Absurd to boo him. Mets fans are terrible.
   15. billyshears Posted: April 26, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4116874)
The entire Mets starting lineup today is home grown. I can't imagine when was the last time that happened.
   16. Lassus Posted: April 26, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4116897)
oh #### day GAME!
   17. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: April 26, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4116903)
WAR fun:


Career WAR Runs batting, Ed Kranepool the man with the most Met PAs in history:

-12


   18. PreservedFish Posted: April 26, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4116904)
The gamechatter is just humming along!
   19. PreservedFish Posted: April 26, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4116912)
I like the look of Valdespin. His stance looks like Robinson Cano's. He looks like one of those guys that can hit 15 homeruns, 15 steals, and not actually be that good (like the first Alex Gonzalez). But as a lefty that can play infield and outfield, that's a long career right there.
   20. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: April 26, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4116916)
He looks like one of those guys that can hit 15 homeruns, 15 steals, and not actually be that good (like the first Alex Gonzalez).
That's a great comment.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: April 26, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4116961)
Perhaps my very favorite bit of baseball magic is that, most of the time, Alex Gonzalez's most similar player is Alex Gonzalez.
   22. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: April 26, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4117020)
Perhaps my very favorite bit of baseball magic is that, most of the time, Alex Gonzalez's most similar player is Alex Gonzalez.


and vice versa

years ago in my roto league one year, during the auction a guy throws out Alex Gonzalez's name... a slight silence before someone says, "which one?" The guy who had started the bidding pauses, then said, "ummm.... doe sit really matter?"
   23. steM oG steL Posted: April 27, 2012 at 01:16 AM (#4117323)
WAR fun:

Reyes, 29.3 WAR.

Hernandez 27.7 WAR.

Carter 11.2 WAR.

Straw 37.7 WAR.

Piazza 25.3 WAR.

For giggles: David Wright 32.6 WAR.


More WAR fun:

Edgardo Alfonzo - 29.1 WAR

Carlos Beltran - 31.7 WAR

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