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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-10-2018

Harrisburg Telegraph, October 10, 1918:

The New York Giants will likely change hands before the December baseball meetings [in New York], it was learned from an authoritative source last night. Harry N. Hempstead, president of the club, is known to be eager to sell the outfit, and is at present considering a tentative offer made him by a prominent New York businessman.

Arnold Rothstein - yes, that one - brokered this deal to sell the Giants to the family that would eventually move the team to San Francisco. I can’t find any reports that he kicked a puppy while pouring sugar in somebody’s gas tank during the negotiations, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Rothstein did have a habit of leaving devastation in his wake.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 12:36 PM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5764023)
A heck of a lineup on today's Birthday Team. It took me ten years after his last pitch, but today is the first October 10 of the Birthday Team era that I remembered Noah Lowry is no longer a professional baseball player.

C: Gene Tenace (46.8 WAR)
1B: Pat Burrell (18.9 WAR)
2B: Kolten Wong (10.9 WAR)
3B: Placido Polanco (41.5 WAR)
SS: Troy Tulowitzki (44.1 WAR)
LF: Wally Berger (42.1 WAR)
CF: Andrew McCutchen (42.0 WAR)
RF: John Stone (25.1 WAR)

SP: Ad Gumbert (20.4 WAR)
SP: Noah Lowry (10.0 WAR)
SP: Shelby Miller (8.4 WAR)
SP: Otto Hess (7.1 WAR)
SP: Harry Eisenstat (7.0 WAR)
RP: Brad Ziegler (12.9 WAR)

Manager: Bill Killefer
Replaced this season by Wong: Floyd Baker (7.66 WAR)
Argh, I had tickets to Game One of the '92 World Series in Pittsburgh: Francisco Cabrera
Not that one: Ramon Martinez
Fun names: Homer Peel, Toots Shultz
   2. PreservedFish Posted: October 10, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5764045)
Amazing that Polanco is right there with Tenance, Tulo, Berger and Cutch. Can't say that I ever thought of him as a defensive wizard exactly. Solid, no doubt.
   3. TDF, trained monkey Posted: October 10, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5764135)
Today's edition of just how freaking great Mike Trout is:

Since Barry Bonds' last great season (2004), there have been 5 10+ bWAR seasons for position players. Mike Trout had 3 of them.

In baseball history, there have been 60 player seasons of 10+ bWAR for position players. Trout now owns 5% of them. Here's the list of players with 3+ 10+ bWAR seasons:
Babe Ruth (9)
Rogers Hornsby (6)
Willie Mays (6)
Barry Bonds (3)
Mickey Mantle (3)
Mike Trout (3)
Ted Williams (3)
Ty Cobb (3)

Trout just played his age-26 season. Here's the list of players with 3+ 10+ bWAR seasons thru age-26:
Mike Trout (3)
   4. Hank Gillette Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5764306)
Arnold Rothstein - yes, that one - brokered this deal to sell the Giants to the family that would eventually move the team to San Francisco.


So, Rothstein knew that 40 years later Horace Stoneman would move them to San Francisco? That’s pretty serious evil.
   5. Itchy Row Posted: October 10, 2018 at 05:55 PM (#5764341)
Trout also has the record for most 9+ bWAR seasons (5) and 7+ (6) through age 26.

His five 8+ seasons are tied with A-Rod and his seven 6+ seasons are tied with Ty Cobb for the most.


   6. AndrewJ Posted: October 10, 2018 at 07:13 PM (#5764380)
Wally Berger, with 5.7 WAR for the 38-win 1935 Braves. That's got to be a record.
   7. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 10, 2018 at 07:17 PM (#5764382)
Wally Berger, with 5.7 WAR for the 38-win 1935 Braves. That's got to be a record.

That's only 15%. Steve Carlton had 21.2% of the 1972 Cardinals WAR.
   8. Perry Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:39 PM (#5764458)
Steve Carlton had 21.2% of the 1972 Cardinals WAR.


Alas, the Cardinals had traded him, and he did that for the Phillies.
   9. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 10, 2018 at 11:51 PM (#5764461)
Wally Berger, with 5.7 WAR for the 38-win 1935 Braves. That's got to be a record.

That's only 15%. Steve Carlton had 21.2% of the 1972 Cardinals WAR.


Are you talking % of team's wins, or team's WAR? Because Pete Alexander in 1911, and Walter Johnson in 1910 had a much higher % of their team's total WAR.
   10. QLE Posted: October 11, 2018 at 03:00 AM (#5764480)
So, Rothstein knew that 40 years later Horace Stoneman would move them to San Francisco? That’s pretty serious evil.


To say nothing about how he knew so far in advance how much the neighborhood around the Polo Grounds would decline by the mid-1950s.....
   11. Itchy Row Posted: October 11, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5764554)
Are you talking % of team's wins, or team's WAR? Because Pete Alexander in 1911, and Walter Johnson in 1910 had a much higher % of their team's total WAR.
If we go way back, Jim Devlin had 18.3 of the 19.2 WAR for the 30-36 1879 Louisville Grays. Devlin pitched 622 of their 643 innings. He only had four teammates who had better than 0.0 WAR. There might be another pitcher from that time who had more WAR than his team's total.

He only pitched two and a half years before he was kicked out of baseball for throwing games, but Devlin is ranked between James Shields and Rick Rhoden on the career WAR list, a few spots ahead of Madison Bumgarner.

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