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Wednesday, October 17, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-17-2018

Washington Times, October 17, 1918:

Babe Ruth, batting ace of the world’s champion Boston Red Sox, is a suffered [sic] with Spanish influenza at his home in Baltimore. At the close of the baseball season Ruth accepted essential employment at the Lebanon plant of the Bethlehem Steel Corporation, and became a membor of the Lebanon team, Bethlehem Steel League. While called to Baltimore on a business mission he fell a victim of the scourge. His condition is not serious.

I know how this story goes, but it’s remarkable to see all the articles about the flu outbreak one day at a time.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:50 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5768770)
Today's Birthday Team is decent enough, as long as the GM doesn't send all its best players to the Yankees in exchange for a bag of magic beans.

C/Manager: Buck Ewing (47.6 WAR)
1B: Pop Dillon (0.9 WAR)
2B: Jim Gilliam (40.7 WAR)
3B: Red Rolfe (23.5 WAR)
SS: Dan Stearns (1.4 WAR)
LF: Dan Pasqua (10.7 WAR)
CF: Carlos Gonzalez (24.7 WAR)
RF: Glenn Braggs (5.8 WAR)

SP: Paul Derringer (37.0 WAR)
SP: Johnny Klippstein (10.6 WAR)
SP: Ernie Wingard (6.8 WAR)
SP: Ken Dixon (2.2 WAR)
SP: Rich Folkers (1.7 WAR)
RP: John Rocker (3.5 WAR)

General Manager: Parke Carroll
Writer: Dick Young
BBTF legend: John F. Mabry (-2.19 WAR)
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5768778)
Glenn Braggs is married to Cindy Herron from En Vogue, so I assume he has the highest Wife Above Replacement of anyone on today's birthday team.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:10 AM (#5768791)
SP: Paul Derringer (37.0 WAR)

Derringer's 1933 is strangely fascinating. 7-27 with a 103 ERA+. He must have had noooo run support at all.
   4. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5768797)
The Greatest Moment of Glenn Braggs' career - he went back so nonchalantly on this play that we didn't realize that would have been a HR until the replays. He had it all the way.

The 2nd greatest moment of Glenn Braggs' career - takes some strength to break your bat just with the force of the swing... :-)
   5. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5768798)
Derringer's 1933 is strangely fascinating. 7-27 with a 103 ERA+. He must have had noooo run support at all.

I remember looking that one up years ago. From memory, his team was shutout in eight of his starts - including four in a row.

I believe he won a 1-0 game in extra innings over St. Louis - a victory that must've been doubly sweet because the Cards traded him to the punchless Reds early in the 1933 season.
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:19 AM (#5768799)
I assume he has the highest Wife Above Replacement of anyone on today's birthday team.

Who would be the all-time leader? DiMaggio? Verlander?
   7. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:22 AM (#5768803)
Derringer's 1933 is strangely fascinating. 7-27 with a 103 ERA+. He must have had noooo run support at all.


22 GS that year with 2 or fewer runs scored for him. 8 times the Reds were shutout when he pitched. 2.17 rpg support. so, yeah, pretty close to no run support. :-)
   8. BDC Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5768811)
Wife Above Replacement of anyone on today's birthday team.

Who would be the all-time leader? DiMaggio? Verlander?


Depends on the metric :)

Nomar Garciaparra and Todd Zeile are married to world-class sportswomen, and Ray Knight and Jackie Jensen were at one point, too. I am probably forgetting some even more famous examples.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5768817)
So the Machado thing last night had me looking up Robert Fick who got in trouble about 15 years ago on a similar play. I was curious what if any punishment he suffered ($25,000 fine by his team, no suspension, no action by MLB). Anyway, that led me to his Wikipedia page which included this little chestnut;

Fick is a former child actor. During the 1980s, he was an extra in Cheers, Who's the Boss?, and Webster. He also did a Gatorade commercial when he was 13 years old.[6]
   10. PreservedFish Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5768818)
Jose Lima ftw!
   11. Batman Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5768820)
Casey Daigle, Matt Treanor, and Don Drysdale are or were married to world-class athletes too. David Justice had a famous wife for a while too.

And Kris Benson. Bret Barberie too.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5768826)
I suppose Cindy Sandberg would be roughly the Bill Bergen of baseball wives.
   13. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5768829)
And Kris Benson. Bret Barberie too.

I suppose Cindy Sandberg would be roughly the Bill Bergen of baseball wives.

I mean, it turns out that Kris Benson's wife was suspected of a murder before meeting him. And didn't she get arrested for threatening him at the end, too?
   14. Batman Posted: October 17, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5768830)
Bill Bergen's brother was the Bill Bergen of husbands.
   15. Cblau Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5768866)
Chuck Finley's wife was pretty gorgeous, but ........
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5768879)
Chuck Finley's wife was pretty gorgeous, but ........

This discussion desperately needs to consider this:

The Universal Hot vs Crazy Matrix
   17. JJ1986 Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5768892)
Nomar Garciaparra and Todd Zeile are married to world-class sportswomen, and Ray Knight and Jackie Jensen were at one point, too. I am probably forgetting some even more famous examples.
Matt Treanor's wife isn't more famous, but she was the class of her sport.
   18. Batman Posted: October 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5768894)
This year's shutout leaders had one. It's the first time nobody has pitched multiple shutouts since 1871, when teams played about 30 games and averaged more than ten runs a game.
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 17, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5768924)
My thinking was that Cindy Sandberg had the most detrimental on-field influence of any baseball wife. She forced the trades of Davey Martinez and Rafael Palmeiro, and caused Ryne Sandberg to retire at the age of 34, half a season removed from an All-Star year.
   20. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 17, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5768935)
Mike Donlin and Rube Marquard had wives who were well known actresses/vaudeville performers in their day.
   21. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 17, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5768981)
I suppose Cindy Sandberg would be roughly the Bill Bergen of baseball wives.

My thinking was that Cindy Sandberg had the most detrimental on-field influence of any baseball wife. She forced the trades of Davey Martinez and Rafael Palmeiro, and caused Ryne Sandberg to retire at the age of 34, half a season removed from an All-Star year.


Wouldn't that make her the Yoko Ono of baseball wives?
   22. KJOK Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5769125)
Leo Durocher was married to Laraine Day while he was managing.
   23. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5769133)
Tough to see any baseball player's wife top Mrs. Tom Brady.
   24. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 17, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5769148)
Jim Gilliam was a 40-WAR player? Damn.

He’ll join Stan Javier, Mark Mclemore and Rey Sanchez on the “Guys with twice as much WAR as I would ever have guessed” All-Star team.
   25. AndrewJ Posted: October 17, 2018 at 07:51 PM (#5769448)
The Babe was treated for the Spanish flu by having his throat coated with silver nitrate -- this apparently accounted for his husky speaking voice.
   26. AndrewJ Posted: October 17, 2018 at 07:56 PM (#5769453)
Ralph Kiner's first wife was tennis star Nancy Chafee. I'm certain he called her "Nancy Chapstick" more than once.
   27. Hank Gillette Posted: October 17, 2018 at 08:24 PM (#5769471)
My thinking was that Cindy Sandberg had the most detrimental on-field influence of any baseball wife. She forced the trades of Davey Martinez and Rafael Palmeiro, and caused Ryne Sandberg to retire at the age of 34, half a season removed from an All-Star year.


So, she tripped Martinez and Palmeiro, and their penises just happened to fall into her vagina? I’ve got to think that one of the unwritten rules of baseball would be, “Don’t boink your teammate’s wife.”
   28. Hank Gillette Posted: October 17, 2018 at 08:29 PM (#5769477)
The Babe was treated for the Spanish flu by having his throat coated with silver nitrate -- this apparently accounted for his husky speaking voice.


Got a cite for that? I’ve seen clips of Ruth and until he was dying of nasopharyngeal cancer, his voice doesn’t sound notably husky to me.
   29. Hank Gillette Posted: October 17, 2018 at 08:42 PM (#5769483)
I assume he has the highest Wife Above Replacement of anyone on today's birthday team.


Who would be the all-time leader? DiMaggio? Verlander?


DiMaggio was married to Monroe for 274 days (and reputedly was physically abusive). Verlander and Upton have been married for 347 days, so Verlander by a smile.
   30. Man o' Schwar Posted: October 17, 2018 at 09:38 PM (#5769573)
Not married, but remember that Barry Zito, Carl Pavano, and Brad Penny all dated Alyssa Milano (presumably at different times).

As far as Girlfriend Above Replacement goes, they're fighting for the crown.
   31. SandyRiver Posted: October 18, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5770534)
DiMaggio was married to Monroe for 274 days (and reputedly was physically abusive). Verlander and Upton have been married for 347 days, so Verlander by a smile.

If that's the metric, doesn't Stan Musial win? Has anyone in the HOF (or all of MLB) had a longer union?

Tough to see any baseball player's wife top Mrs. Tom Brady.

One of my favorite headlines came from a Brazilian newspaper following SB 49, "Gisele Bundchen's Husband Wins 4th Lombardi Trophy"
   32. bobm Posted: October 18, 2018 at 10:25 PM (#5770701)
   33. Batman Posted: October 19, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5771004)
If that's the metric, doesn't Stan Musial win? Has anyone in the HOF (or all of MLB) had a longer union?
72 years is pretty impressive. The Musials beat out the Berras by seven years and the Zimmers by nine.

As far as I can tell, Joan Ford is still alive and married to Whitey. If that's accurate, they've been married for 67 years. Whitey's SABR bio says he met Mickey Mantle for the first time right after his wedding. The Fords got married three days before Mickey started his major league career.
   34. SandyRiver Posted: October 19, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5771233)
Whitey turns 90 on Sunday, got married when about 4 years older than Stan's age at marriage. I'm not an actuary, so no guesses on whether the Fords pass the Musials.

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