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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-20-2017

Richmond [Indiana] Palladium, October 20, 1917:

Byron Bancroft Johnson, president of the American league, is preparing today to leave for Washington, D.C., where he will offer his services to the government in any capacity. Johnson will not express preference for any branch of the service, leaving that matter entirely to the government.

Because of the probability that Johnson will be in the service of the country within a short time, the annual American league meeting scheduled for December in Chicago will be held early in November. Johnson said today he had been planning for some time to retire from baseball, but declined ot discuss his probable successor.

I don’t know whether Johnson changed his mind, or if Uncle Sam simply declined the offer of military service from a pudgy 50-something year old, but Johnson kept his job as the head of the American League through 1927.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 07:52 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 07:54 AM (#5558770)
Some excellent high-end talent on today's Birthday Team and not much else. The dropoff from Juan Gonzalez to Dave Collins is pretty massive.

C: Jocko Fields (3.11 WAR)
1B: Keith Hernandez (60.01 WAR)
2B: Jigger Statz (4.36 WAR)
3B: Judy Johnson (0 WAR, Negro leagues star)
SS: Bobby Floyd (-0.56 WAR)
LF: Dave Collins (15.9 WAR)
CF: Mickey Mantle (109.72 WAR)
RF: Juan Gonzalez (38.48 WAR)

SP: Juan Marichal (63.1 WAR)
SP: Rick Ownbey (0.22 WAR)
SP: John Russell (0.18 WAR)
SP: Archie Campbell (-0.59 WAR)
SP: Don Heinkel (-0.59 WAR)
RP: Jose Veras (4.17 WAR)
RP: Rudy Seanez (3.58 WAR)

Spare OF: Bruce Campbell (15.3 WAR)
Owner: Lester Smith
Stadium PA announcer: Bob Sheppard
Umpires: Paul Runge, Jerry Meals
Fun names: Skel Roach, Toots Coyne, Cuke Barrows, Wickey McAvoy, Choo Freeman
   2. BDC Posted: October 20, 2017 at 09:29 AM (#5558814)
Dave Collins played for eight teams in a 16-year career, and was never traded mid-season. There's probably some way of framing that as an all-time record – Reggie Sanders, for instance, played for eight teams and never changed teams mid-season, but his career was 17 years, so Collins does him one "better." Both played the most for Cincinnati, but were never teammates; Sanders was a rookie the year after Collins retired. I would suspect reincarnation but there are several problems with that theory.
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 20, 2017 at 09:40 AM (#5558826)
Fot some reason I always confuse the names Jake Stenzel, Jigger Statz, and Riggs Stephenson. Stenzel probably should have the Pirates rookie batting average record, but he had 52 plate appearances in two call up seasons, then 248 in his real rookie season (.362). Then he hit .352 in his first fulltime season. I think Lloyd Waner has the actual Pirate rookie record, at .355. Stephenson hit .336 lifetime in the majors. Birthday boy Statz only hit .285 in the majors, but played in the PCL forever and made over 4,000 hits in the majors and PCL.
   4. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:13 AM (#5558847)
The dropoff from Juan Gonzalez to Dave Collins is pretty massive.


Seems an odd comment given Collis had a perfectly cromulent 16 career WAR. I imagine few birthday teams do better from their 3rd OF. Meanwhile, for a massive drop look no further than the rotation, where you go from 63 to 0.22.
   5. Batman Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:25 AM (#5558859)
By the time he stopped getting signed, Rudy Seanez was one of the last players left from the 1980's, but fans of most of his teams probably never noticed he was around. He never started a game and averaged 33 innings and less than a save per season. Apparently his nickname is Action Traction.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:27 AM (#5558867)
Sanders was a rookie the year after Collins retired.

My first thought was that there was no way this was possibly true, but by God, Dave Collins did somehow hang around until 1990. Astonishing.
   7. stanmvp48 Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:31 AM (#5558873)
I count 9 teams for Dave Martinez.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:35 AM (#5558878)
But Martinez changed teams in midseason - he played for 4 teams in 2000 alone.
   9. Batman Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:49 AM (#5558900)
Henry Blanco played for 11 franchises without ever getting traded during the season. He did get released and changed teams during his last season.
   10. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:46 AM (#5558947)
Apparently his nickname is Action Traction.

I thought he was dubbed Traction Action by Prospectus because of his numerous back problems as noted in this playoff preview.
   11. stanmvp48 Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:03 PM (#5559012)
Dusty Baker let go by Washington
   12. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:04 PM (#5559013)
Dusty Baker and staff OUT in Washington.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:17 PM (#5559031)
Dusty Baker let go by Washington

If ever there was a team that needed Billy Martin, Washington is probably it. The desperately need someone to drive them hard to a Pennant or Championship before Harper reaches FA, and Scherzer, Murphy etc. get old.
   14. KJOK Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:29 PM (#5559041)
Negro Leaguer P Juan Padron would probably be #2 on this pitching staff.
Juan Padron Seamheads.com
   15. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5559042)
I presume my Dusty credentials are in order, but lemme just say this --

If it isn't Dusty Baker who can finally get the Nats over the hump, I'm not exactly sure who the Nats FO thinks would be better. For all his faults that I won't bother re-documenting, I think Dusty actually IS this generation's "over the humper".

That's not to say that there aren't candidates out there who would probably make fine, even great managers -- but if they're now about to start a "search" rather than actually having that person in mind, then I think they made a mistake.

I'll admit that despite my prior antipathy towards him, I would (have liked? Is this it for Dusty?) like to see him get a ring (as a manager, I know he's got one from the '81 Dodgers).

I suppose I'll save further thoughts (or really, probably just recitation of the above with more words :-)) for the inevitable Dusty thread, but I will say that I think he belongs in the HoF as a manager, if this is truly the end of the line for his managerial career.
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5559044)
If Dusty does get a HOF plaque, will it include a little toothpick protruding from the mouth?
   17. BDC Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:41 PM (#5559050)
Baker, Martin, and Davey Johnson are the only managers to get to the postseason with four different clubs, if I'm reading B-Ref correctly. The other two won their WS rings (one apiece), but Baker got to a seventh game of a WS, so it's not like his postseason record is sheer hopelessness, either. I agree that he's the contemporary avatar of Billy Martin, at least in employment and success profile.
   18. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 20, 2017 at 01:48 PM (#5559056)
If Dusty does get a HOF plaque, will it include a little toothpick protruding from the mouth?


In an amusing bit of coincidence -- I just did a some cleaning last weekend and in tossing out a box of crap that sorta follows you around from place to place, I came across a box of Thursday Plantation toothpicks that I'm certainly I bought 14 years ago...
   19. Batman Posted: October 20, 2017 at 02:03 PM (#5559075)
Baker is 39 wins behind Gene Mauch for most regular season wins without a World Series ring. Dusty would have to manage almost three more years to catch Mauch in total games managed.
   20. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 03:00 PM (#5559137)
If ever there was a team that needed Billy Martin, Washington is probably it. The desperately need someone to drive them hard to a Pennant or Championship before Harper reaches FA, and Scherzer, Murphy etc. get old.


Hire Bobby V.!
   21. esseff Posted: October 22, 2017 at 01:55 PM (#5560137)
What no Alex Cora or Mickey Callaway threads? C'mon, BTF.

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