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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-23-2018

Memphis News Scimitar, October 23, 1918:

At least six more gold stars are to be added to baseball’s service flag, according to reports received during the past week. Four of the deaths of former players who entered the service were in camps on this side and from pneumonia following influenza, the other two were in France. Two of the departed heroes were former major catchers, Harry M. Glenn and John C. Cooper.

Capt. Eddie Grant, former New York Giant third sacker, was killed in action a few days ago.

As far as I can tell and for whatever it’s worth, Cooper never played in the majors. The other three deceased ballplayers mentioned in the article were minor leaguers who succumbed to the influenza outbreak: John Inglis, Harry Acton, and Frank Healey. The Cubs bought Inglis as a catcher/outfielder out of the New York-New Jersey League in 1913, but he decided to quit organized ball to play independent baseball and basketball. Acton was a pitcher who had a trial with the Tigers in 1917, and Healey was a Western Association umpire who had also spent some time as a player.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 23, 2018 at 09:58 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 23, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5772918)
Heck of a starting rotation on today's Birthday Team.

C: Dwight Lowry (1.3 WAR)
1B: 1930s Billy Sullivan (8.0 WAR)
2B: Kazuo Matsui (5.3 WAR)
3B: John Castino (15.2 WAR)
SS: Vern Stephens (45.5 WAR)
LF: Rube Bressler (19.6 WAR)
CF: Birdie Cree (15.4 WAR)
RF: Ben Francisco (2.5 WAR)

SP: Jim Bunning (59.6 WAR)
SP: Al Leiter (40.1 WAR)
SP: John Lackey (37.7 WAR)
SP: Ewell Blackwell (26.2 WAR)
SP: Kyle Gibson (9.4 WAR)
RP: David Riske (7.4 WAR)

League Founder: William Hulbert
Manager: Lena Blackburne
No-Hitter Guy: Bud Smith (-0.36 WAR)
   2. catomi01 Posted: October 23, 2018 at 10:11 AM (#5772930)
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5772937)
Jim Bunning's election to the Hall of Fame has always kind of baffled me. He was an excellent pitcher, but his traditional stats don't suggest much differentiation from Billy Pierce or Luis Tiant or Jim Kaat. He got exactly one vote for the Cy Young Award in his career (which, granted, was harder to get back when voters could only vote for one guy each year). Does anyone know what his reputation was like when he was active?
   4. Chicago Joe Posted: October 23, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5772949)
Better name for a news org: Memphis News Scimitar or tronc?
   5. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5772965)
Ewell “The Whip” Blackwell!

I had some book when I was a kid that was former players listing their “all-time great” lineups, and there were a handful who listed freakin Ewell Blackwell as the starting pitcher because “He was the hardest pitcher I ever had to face.”

So I always double-take when I see he had just a “pretty good” career.

I guess Hideo Nomo might be a good comp for that? Not thinking of injury-plagued guys like Kerry Wood and Mark Prior....just guys with a really bizarre delivery who gave a handful of sluggers the absolute fits. Orlando Hernandez?
   6. villageidiom Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5772969)
LONGEST ACTIVE STREAKS OF NOT LOSING A WORLD SERIES GAME

White Sox - last loss on 10/8/1959
Nationals - never lost, but 1st WS game in their existence was 10/11/1969
Reds - last loss on 10/21/1975, the Fisk HR game
Mariners - never lost, but 1st WS game in their existence was 10/11/1977
Pirates - 10/13/1979
Brewers - 10/20/1982
Orioles - 10/11/1983
A’s - 10/20/1990
Twins - 10/24/1991
Blue Jays - 10/21/1993

It amazes me that the Reds are on a 9-WS-game winning streak.

Separately, when you look at the last WS game lost for each team, 2 of them were at the hands of the Dodgers (Astros in 2017 and White Sox in 1959) and 3 were at the hands of the Red Sox (Cardinals 2013, Rockies 2007, Reds 1975). If Boston wins one game this year they gain a fourth, in the Dodgers. That would put them one behind the Yankees, who have the most, and would tie them with another team for second.

TRIVIA: Who is that team? Who are the four opponents?
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5772971)
I had to read that a few times to even understand what you were getting at.
   8. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5772972)
Jim Bunning's election to the Hall of Fame has always kind of baffled me. He was an excellent pitcher, but his traditional stats don't suggest much differentiation from Billy Pierce or Luis Tiant or Jim Kaat. He got exactly one vote for the Cy Young Award in his career (which, granted, was harder to get back when voters could only vote for one guy each year). Does anyone know what his reputation was like when he was active?


I can't answer your specific question but I think he got a lot of mileage out of "the only pitcher to throw a no hitter in both leagues." He was not unlike Jack "winningest pitcher of the 80s" Morris in that regard. On top of that he was second in career strikeouts when he retired and also the only pitcher other than Cy Young to win 100 games in both leagues.
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5772974)
I think the Cardinals were the last team to beat the Red Sox, Rangers, Tigers, and Brewers in a World Series game.
   10. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5772977)
I had some book when I was a kid that was former players listing their “all-time great” lineups, and there were a handful who listed freakin Ewell Blackwell as the starting pitcher because “He was the hardest pitcher I ever had to face.”

So I always double-take when I see he had just a “pretty good” career.


It does seem like there are fewer unusual delivery guys nowadays. Or if they're around, they're usually relievers (Carter Capps). As for Blackwell, there wasn't much depth to his career but he did have a couple of legitimately excellent seasons. That plus the delivery and high HBPs probably made him more feared than his career as a whole merited.
   11. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5772983)
Re: Bunning, could it also be that his long tenure as a US Congressman kept his name in the public sphere longer than for a typical retired ballplayer?
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 23, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5772992)
Blackwell apparently had a great reputation when he was active. He was the best pitcher in the NL in 1947, and finished second in the MVP voting, but followed that year up with seasons of 7-9. 4.54 and 5-5, 4.23. Nevertheless, he made the All-Star team in each of those years.
   13. QLE Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5773038)
I think the Cardinals were the last team to beat the Red Sox, Rangers, Tigers, and Brewers in a World Series game.


Red Sox, Rangers, and Brewers yes- but they aren't the last team to beat the Tigers in a World Series game (that was the Giants).


Re: Bunning, could it also be that his long tenure as a US Congressman kept his name in the public sphere longer than for a typical retired ballplayer?


It wouldn't explain it at the very start- Bunning received 38% of the vote his first time on the ballot in 1977, when he was only holding office on the municipal level, and was already at 65.6% in 1986, the first time he was elected to Congress. Given that his first-year performance was better than how Eddie Mathews (to give one example) did his first time around just a few years earlier, it suggests that there was a strong base of support for Bunning independent of his later career (especially when compared to Pierce, who never reached 2% of the vote in five tries).
   14. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5773040)
I think Blackwell's career would look a lot more impressive if he hadn't missed three years for WWII. Immediately upon his return, he led the league in FIP two years in a row. Give him a couple more of those seasons and his WAR total is closer to 40 - not a Hall of Famer, but more like Dennis Martinez or John Lackey than Kevin Tapani or Charles Nagy.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5773044)
I think the Cardinals were the last team to beat the Red Sox, Rangers, Tigers, and Brewers in a World Series game.

Red Sox, Rangers, and Brewers yes- but they aren't the last team to beat the Tigers in a World Series game (that was the Giants).
Maybe the Giants are the answer (Tigers, Royals, and .....?)
   16. JJ1986 Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5773046)
Is it Phillies? Last team to beat Rays, Blue Jays and Orioles definitely.
   17. Batman Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5773064)
Maybe the Giants are the answer (Tigers, Royals, and .....?)
The Mets won a game against the Royals the year after the Giants did.
   18. QLE Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5773070)
Maybe the Giants are the answer (Tigers, Royals, and .....?)


Can't be- the Royals lost a game in the 2015 World Series, and the only team other than the Tigers who haven't lost a World Series game since playing the Giants are the Angels.

EDIT: Batman, there's a Coke waiting for you.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: October 23, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5773079)

Is it Phillies? Last team to beat Rays, Blue Jays and Orioles definitely.


And the last team to beat the Yankees.
   20. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 23, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5773098)
I agree with the comment about Blackwell. Those six straight All-Star selections tend to cloud one's recollection of whether he was consistently good. He wasn't, but he was very good indeed when he was on. His 1947 Strat-O-Matic card, which was excellent, may also factor into my case. It may not be scientific evidence, but I think Blackwell was thought of as a major star while active. The famous Chesterfield cigarette ad had five then active players, three of them being Ted Williams, Stan Musial, and Joe DiMaggio, plus NL MVP Bob Elliott, and Blackwell as the only pitcher. That's good company.
   21. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 23, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5773173)
It may not be scientific evidence, but I think Blackwell was thought of as a major star while active.

it had completely slipped my mind (if I ever knew) that Blackwell pitched for the Yankees for 2 years (OK--only a total of 13 games) and he started a WS game for them in 1952
   22. Cblau Posted: October 23, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5773201)
Cooper was drafted by the White Sox in 1910.
   23. SandyRiver Posted: October 23, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5773254)
Blackwell came within 2 outs of a Vander Meer. He later said that his height (6-6 or thereabouts) kept him from nabbing the GB up the middle that broke up no-no #2. Next batter struck out, then the following one got a clean single before Ewell finished his ShO, but if he had nabbed that one-out hit, the K would've ended the game.
   24. AndrewJ Posted: October 23, 2018 at 08:05 PM (#5773481)
I think Bunning's political career had something to do with his HOF election in 1996, too. After the 1994-95 strike, with talk about revoking MLB's antitrust exemption, the Lords of Baseball probably wanted as much support on Capitol Hill as possible.

On an unrelated note: RIP, Giants broadcaster Hank Greenwald.
   25. villageidiom Posted: October 23, 2018 at 08:08 PM (#5773488)
Is it Phillies? Last team to beat Rays, Blue Jays and Orioles definitely.
And the last team to beat the Yankees.

Correct!

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