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Wednesday, October 23, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-23-2019

Washington Herald, October 23, 1919:

An offer of more than $1,000,000 has been made for the Boston Red Sox team in the American League, by a combination of business men, Representative James A. Gallivan, Massachusetts, stated yesterday.
...
“All I can say is that an offer of more than $1,000,000 has been made for the team,” he said. “Harry Frazee, present owner, is interested in the combination and if the offer is accepted I have agreed to accept the presidency of the club. Frazee is a close personal friend of mine, as is Ban Johnson, president of the American League.”

Right above that article is this:

“I have received no such offer, and that price wouldn’t interest me, anyhow,” Frazee said. “I am not thinking of selling the team to anyone, at any time or at any price. That’s absolutely the truth.”

There was way too much damage left for Frazee to do: Sell the greatest player in the history of the sport, stop making payments on Fenway Park, get a lien slapped on the franchise, borrow $300,000 from the Yankees, put a second mortgage on Fenway, and sell half of his roster to the Yankees to pay off the loan.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:03 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5893306)
Heck of a starting rotation on today's Birthday Team. Ewell Blackwell is a fantastic #4 starter.

C: Dwight Lowry (1.3 WAR)
1B: 1930s Billy Sullivan (7.8 WAR)
2B: Kazuo Matsui (5.3 WAR)
3B: John Castino (15.2 WAR)
SS: Vern Stephens (45.5 WAR)
LF: Rube Bressler (19.5 WAR)
CF: Birdie Cree (15.4 WAR)
RF: Ben Francisco (2.5 WAR)

SP: Jim Bunning (59.4 WAR)
SP: Al Leiter (40.0 WAR)
SP: John Lackey (37.6 WAR)
SP: Ewell Blackwell (26.5 WAR)
SP: Kyle Gibson (9.8 WAR)
RP: David Riske (7.4 WAR)

League Founder: William Hulbert
Manager: Lena Blackburne
No-Hitter Guy: Bud Smith (-0.3 WAR)
   2. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5893309)
40 years ago today, Billy Martin punched out 52-year-old marshmallow salesman Joseph W. Cooper
   3. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5893316)
SP: Ewell Blackwell (26.5 WAR)


everyone here may already know this, but, if not, in 1947, Ewell almost matched Johnny Vander Meer's double no-hitter. Threw a no-hitter on June 18, then came back on June 22 and went 8 and 1/3 before giving up a hit.
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5893323)
I think today's team may have my favorite anagram so far: Bud Smith -> Dumbsh*t.

With an 'i' where the asterisk is.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5893325)
SP: John Lackey (37.6 WAR)
Of his 29 postseason games, only one game on his birthday. He intentionally walked Bonds 3 times that day.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 23, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5893474)
everyone here may already know this, but, if not, in 1947, Ewell almost matched Johnny Vander Meer's double no-hitter. Threw a no-hitter on June 18, then came back on June 22 and went 8 and 1/3 before giving up a hit.

Did not know that! Thanks!

Also did not remember Leiter being that good.
   7. Sweatpants Posted: October 23, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5893512)
What I hadn't realized about Leiter was how long he took to get going. He did almost all of his good work in his thirties.
   8. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: October 24, 2019 at 06:27 AM (#5893854)
I always imagined him pitching a great game with little effort, and the headline reading: LEITER FLUID!
   9. SandyRiver Posted: October 24, 2019 at 08:26 AM (#5893865)
everyone here may already know this, but, if not, in 1947, Ewell almost matched Johnny Vander Meer's double no-hitter. Threw a no-hitter on June 18, then came back on June 22 and went 8 and 1/3 before giving up a hit.

Very close indeed. That hit was a grounder up the middle and Blackwell thought that only his height (6-6) prevented him from grabbing it. He got the next batter for out #2, gave up another hit then retired the side.
   10. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:28 AM (#5893887)
rumor: Phillies hire Joe Girardi to manage.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5893969)
Marly Rivera, ESPN Writer

Brian Cashman announces Aaron Hicks will have Tommy John surgery on October 30. Also announces that Masahiro Tanaka had arthroscopic surgery to remove a bone spur, and Luke Voit had bilateral core muscle surgery (both expected back by the spring.)
There were stories about Hicks avoiding TJS just a few days ago, so a bit of a surprise here. Similar for Voit. This news makes it even more likely Brett Gardner returns for the 2020 season.
   12. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 24, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5893999)
TRIVIA QUESTION:
1) What was the last World Series to feature 2 player-managers?

2) Since the last World Series with 2 player-managers, what Fall Classic had the youngest managerial matchup? (The elder of the two skippers was 40 in this battle of non-playing managers)
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: October 24, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5894006)
2) Since the last World Series with 2 player-managers, what Fall Classic had the youngest managerial matchup? (The elder of the two skippers was 40 in this battle of non-playing managers)
Last year?
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 24, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5894008)
For youngest managers, I'll go with Sparky Anderson and Earl Weaver in 1970.
   15. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 24, 2019 at 01:47 PM (#5894009)
Post #14:

DING!

Also: Crud, I didn't realize this was yesterday's lounge.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5894018)
For youngest managers, I'll go with Sparky Anderson and Earl Weaver in 1970.


Wow. This would have been impossible to guess going by photographic evidence.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:02 PM (#5894021)
There were stories about Hicks avoiding TJS just a few days ago, so a bit of a surprise here. Similar for Voit. This news makes it even more likely Brett Gardner returns for the 2020 season.

Gardner just got an extra $2-3M or a two-year deal. There is no alternative on the market.
   18. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5894022)
Sparky was completely gray at the age of 35.
   19. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:07 PM (#5894023)
1) What was the last World Series to feature 2 player-managers?


1933? Bill Terry and Joe Cronin? Last WS in DC.
   20. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:35 PM (#5894030)
Post #19:

Reallllly close. Around then. But it's happened after 1933.
   21. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5894040)
Frisch and Cochrane in 1934?
   22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 24, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5894054)
Lots of managerial news today, with Cubs, Phillies & Padres making hires, and some interviews mentioned, too. Heyman reporting that there is an “unknown bombshell candidate” in the mix for the Mets job. Bobby Valentine? Davey Johnson? Al Leiter? Or Howie Menckel?
   23. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 24, 2019 at 04:05 PM (#5894080)
Post #21:
Man, you're even closer.

1934 is the runner-up
1933 is the 2nd runner-up.

It happened once after 1934 - and not long after it, either.
   24. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: October 24, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5894087)
23--But does 1935 really count when the Cubs manager only played twice that season? Is that really a player manager??
   25. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 24, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5894181)
Post #24:

I count it. If it doesn't count, then it's 1934. But he played & he managed, so it counts.

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