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Thursday, October 31, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-31-2013

Pittsburgh Gazette Times, October 31, 1913:

Manager Joe Tinker of the Cincinnati National League Club, [yesterday] signed a contract to manage the team for the season of 1914. The signing followed a lengthy conference between Tinker and [Reds president Gerry] Herrmann at which the policy of the club for next year was being discussed.
...
[This past summer] Tinker insisted that he could not build up a good team when President Herrmann continued to make trades without consulting him.

Meanwhile, it was hard for President Herrmann to build a good team when his manager was jumping to the Federal League. By the end of December 1913, Tinker was the shortstop/manager of the Chi-Feds.

Dan Lee tips his cap respectfully to JackVincennes Posted: October 31, 2013 at 06:16 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee tips his cap respectfully to JackVincennes Posted: October 31, 2013 at 06:20 AM (#4590981)
Nice collection of position players on today's Birthday Team. Pretty good ace starter too, though it's fairly quickly downhill from there.

The ownership? That leaves something to be desired. As Hang Down Your Head, Tom Foley mentioned in last year's Dugout, Soriano's team will play one season, declare bankruptcy, and Bud Selig will take it over and move it to his home-birthday.

C: Mike Napoli
1B: Fred McGriff
2B: Mike Gallego
3B: Ken Keltner
SS: Paul Zuvella
LF: David Dellucci
CF: Mickey Rivers
RF: Bert Daniels

SP: Dave McNally
SP: Hardie Henderson
SP: Steve Trachsel
SP: Dave Freisleben
SP: Leo Dickerman
RP: Tim Byrdak

Manager: Harry Smith
Owner: Max Soriano
Umpire: Cal Hubbard
Play-By-Play: Gary Miller
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 31, 2013 at 06:26 AM (#4590982)
Bert Daniels has this in his BRef biography:
Villanova University (Villanova, PA), University of Notre Dame (South Bend, IN), Bucknell University (Lewisburg, PA)

That's a lot of education for one man 100 years ago
   3. just plain joe Posted: October 31, 2013 at 08:34 AM (#4591006)
That's a lot of education for one man 100 years ago


I know nothing about Daniels but I'm assuming that he only attended these universities and didn't graduate from them. I suspect that Daniels was a "tramp athlete", a sub-species that was not uncommon a century ago, before the NCAA cracked down on the practice. A wandering scholar/athlete would enroll at one school as "Able", play a season or two, and then move on. He would then enroll at his subsequent institutions as "Baker", "Charlie", etc. A player could continue this practice until he got tired of it or he became too old & slow to play top flight football.
   4. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 31, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4591100)
Thanks, joe, I'm sure Occam agrees. :)

EDIT: From baseballlirary.com:
An early itinerant college athlete, Daniels played football and baseball under his own name at Villanova, Notre Dame, and Bucknell while playing semi-pro and minor league ball under aliases. He led the AL in hit-by-pitch three times. New York led the AL in stolen bases in 1910 with 288; Daniels led the team with 41

   5. Mike Emeigh Posted: October 31, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4591129)
Daniels looks like an early version of Ron Hunt.

-- MWE
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 31, 2013 at 11:53 AM (#4591159)
All Orinthological Team

C Greg Goosen
1B Alan Storke
2B Jay Partridge
SS Sam Crane
3B Robin Ventura
LF Chicken Hawks
CF Jon Jay
RF Jose Cardenal

SP Paul Byrd
SP Bill Swift
SP Elden Auker
SP Pete Falcone
SP Jeff Parrett

RP Tim Byrdak
RP Joel Finch
RP Aaron Crow
RP Russ Swan
RP Dennis Dove
RP Travis Chick
RP Sean Henn

GM: Frank Wren

Nicknames: Andre "The Hawk" Dawson, Turkey Stearns, Hawk Harrelson, Mark "The Bird" Fidrych, Ducky Medwick, Birdie Tebbetts, Goose Goslin, Doug "The Rooster" Rader, Ron "The Penguin" Cey

Nemesis: Torii Hunter, Bob "Death to Flying Things" Ferguson
   7. esseff Posted: October 31, 2013 at 12:29 PM (#4591199)
Nemesis: Torii Hunter, Bob "Death to Flying Things" Ferguson


Also, Dave Winfield and Randy Johnson
   8. Dan Lee tips his cap respectfully to JackVincennes Posted: October 31, 2013 at 01:14 PM (#4591239)
Also, Dave Winfield and Randy Johnson
Not to mention Dion James.
   9. BDC Posted: October 31, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4591278)
3B: Ken Keltner

1. Did he have a happier birthday than the other players with his birthdate?

2. Was his cake larger or smaller than the other Birthday players?

3. How many candles did he need?

4. If a player got as many presents as he did, would he be happy enough till his next birthday came around?
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 31, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4591337)
Indians release Chris Perez. MLBTR projected him to get $9 mill in arbitration.

They also re-sign Giambino.
   11. Dan Lee tips his cap respectfully to JackVincennes Posted: October 31, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4591346)
They also re-sign Giambino.
Blargh.

I'm good with letting Perez walk. The guy's a relief pitcher with a 104 ERA+ over his last 171 innings. You can't give him 10-12% of your payroll budget.
   12. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 31, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4591434)
Manny Sanguillen and Ralph Garr were both The Roadrunner.
   13. JJ1986 Posted: October 31, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4591448)
I believe Jae Kuk-Ryu killed a bird on purpose.
   14. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 31, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4591468)
how can you have Ventura and not Yount?
   15. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: October 31, 2013 at 05:23 PM (#4591478)
Is Perez a free agent now? Or if he signs with a new team is he still going to get the same-ish salary as he would have going through arb with the Indians?
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 31, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4591492)
Is Perez a free agent now? Or if he signs with a new team is he still going to get the same-ish salary as he would have going through arb with the Indians?

The Phillies are getting a new TV contract ...
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: October 31, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4591493)
Indians release Chris Perez. MLBTR projected him to get $9 mill in arbitration.


That seems high to me.

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