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Tuesday, November 14, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-14-2017

Bridgeport Evening Farmer, November 14, 1917:

There will be no third quasi major league. This fact became evident yesterday, when the committee on the revision of the constitution in the minor leagues decided to recommend to the National association that the American association be left out of any redistricting that may take place…

[American Association clubs] Kansas City, Minneapolis, St. Paul and Milwaukee refused to be frozen out, and their appeals have been recognized.

It would have been most unfair to throw these franchises in the scrap heap. And then the courts probably would have had something to say about it, for the owners in these four cities were prepared to go to the very limit for their rights.

Washington Times, November 14, 1917:

...the Union League, composed of four clubs from [each of the American Association and International League], may become an outlaw circuit with the tacit consent of Garry Herrmann, chairman of the National Commission.

I imagine that would have caused some serious blowback against Herrmann.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 14, 2017 at 07:28 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 14, 2017 at 07:32 AM (#5575750)
Happy Birthday to my favorite Cleveland Indian in the past quarter century, Francisco Lindor. I should mention that today's manager never managed a game in the major leagues, but won 1600+ games and four pennants as a minor league skipper.

C: Fred Carisch (1.48 WAR)
1B: Xavier Nady (3.76 WAR)
2B: Freddy Galvis (2.97 WAR)
3B: Joe Leonard (1.15 WAR)
SS: Francisco Lindor (15.8 WAR)
LF/Manager: Jack Lelivelt (6.61 WAR)
CF: Jim Piersall (28.58 WAR)
RF: Ruben Rivera (5.69 WAR)

SP: Curt Schilling (79.93 WAR)
SP: Harry Howell (33.89 WAR)
SP: Jim Brewer (16.08 WAR)
SP: Kent Bottenfield (6.86 WAR)
SP: Paul Wagner (2.01 WAR)
RP: Willie Hernandez (17.21 WAR)

Fun name: Tim Hamulack
The LOOGY who says Ni: Fu-Te Ni
   2. BDC Posted: November 14, 2017 at 08:35 AM (#5575770)
No game stories from the Chicago Defender this week, but a picture of Larry Brown, catcher for the Memphis Red Sox, and a note on Webster McDonald, underhand pitcher for the Chicago American Giants. McDonald "quit the club cold and was put down as a contract jumper … He will play with a white club in Minnesota." (Defender 5-19-1928)

And that's what his Wikipedia page says too: white club in Minnesota. Not in organized ball; the B-Ref Bullpen page says it was in Little Falls, a good ways up the Mississippi River from the Twin Cities.

McDonald was from Philadelphia and popular there late in life. He died in 1982, never recovering fully after being attacked by muggers, according to his NYT obituary.

Larry Brown features prominently in John Holway's books, and was one of the best-regarded defensive catchers in the Negro Leagues.
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: November 14, 2017 at 09:51 AM (#5575804)
It's interesting that the born-defunct league didn't seem to have any idea of keeping the western cities in a 12-team league. Did any leagues use two divisions in that era? It looks like the NFL went to two divisions in 1933.
   4. eric Posted: November 14, 2017 at 10:02 AM (#5575814)
   5. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 14, 2017 at 10:40 AM (#5575847)
He was living in a little town outside Eugene, Oregon. I don't know why I find that so poignant. I guess it's that, all these years, he was right there. If I'd known I could have gone and said hi.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 14, 2017 at 10:43 AM (#5575852)
I guess it's that, all these years, he was right there. If I'd known I could have gone and said hi.

Eh, he probably maintained a phalanx of security guards for just that reason.
   7. Batman Posted: November 14, 2017 at 11:44 AM (#5575907)
Doerr played his last game in 1951. That was before 31 current members of the Hall of Fame were born, including George Brett and Robin Yount, who were inducted 18 years ago.
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 14, 2017 at 12:02 PM (#5575918)
Joe Leonard batted in four seasons, getting at least 145 PA in each of those seasons. He hit .198, .271, .192, and .258, for a lifetime average of .226. Which means that every year, he was at least 28 points off his lifetime average...
   9. eric Posted: November 14, 2017 at 01:46 PM (#5576019)
He played his first game in 1937. Was he the last living MLB player (not just HOFer) who was active in the 30's?
   10. esseff Posted: November 14, 2017 at 01:55 PM (#5576032)
I believe Doerr's death leaves his 1946 World Series second base counterpart, Red Schoendienst, as the oldest living Hall of Famer.
   11. esseff Posted: November 14, 2017 at 02:01 PM (#5576042)
From a quick check of Wiki's list of oldest living major-leaguers, the answer to #9 appears to be yes.
   12. eric Posted: November 14, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5576050)
He played his first game in 1937. Was he the last living MLB player (not just HOFer) who was active in the 30's?


To answer my own question, if wikipedia is accurate, then Doerr was the last player to have been active in the 30's.

By my hand count, there are 40 players still alive from the 1940's, the youngest of whom is Tommy Brown who is going to turn 90 in a few weeks.

FWIW, Joe Nuxhall was actually younger than Tommy Brown, but died 10 years ago at 79.

Chuck Stevens is the new oldest living former MLB player at 99-127.

Edit: coke to esseff
   13. eric Posted: November 14, 2017 at 02:17 PM (#5576062)
I believe Doerr's death leaves his 1946 World Series second base counterpart, Red Schoendienst, as the oldest living Hall of Famer.


According to the same wikipedia article, Doerr wasn't just the oldest living HOFer, he was the longest-lived HOFer ever. Red needs almost five more years to pass him.
   14. esseff Posted: November 14, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5576076)
I had mentioned several times in various BTF dugouts the cluster of good players from the '46 Series who lived to be nonagenarians: Doerr, Pesky, Ferriss and D. DiMaggio on Boston; Musial, Marion, Schoendienst and Garagiola (well, he was good in that Series, anyway) from the Cardinals. Now, Schoendienst is the only one left.
   15. Batman Posted: November 14, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5576207)
Chuck Stevens and Fred Caliguri are the last two left who played in 1941. Wally Westlake, who turned 97 last week, and Eddie Robinson, who will turn 97 next month, are the oldest living former all stars.
   16. AndrewJ Posted: November 14, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5576312)
Doerr's MLB career ended before JFK met Jackie. Before Elizabeth Taylor had married husband #2. Before NBC premiered The Today Show. During George VI's reign.

Doerr's presumably the last living major leaguer who played 10+ seasons on a non-integrated team.

Since Doerr retired the Sox are still playing in the same ballpark, while the Braves have called five separate stadia home.
   17. esseff Posted: November 14, 2017 at 08:05 PM (#5576340)
After Doerr died, I was looking through the list of the oldest living major-leaguers, and now it turns out another of them I saw on the list just a few hours ago, Jim Rivera, has died

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