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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-14-2018

Philip [South Dakota] Pioneer, November 14, 1918:

When this cruel war is over, perhaps the major league clubs—and some of the minors, too, for that matter—will adopt the scheme of some of these ball teams of military aviators and make their trips in airplanes. Several instances are recorded of aviators setting out to play a ball game with some other service team making the trip through the air.

Baseball teams traveling by air? It’ll never happen. That’s just crazy.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 09:54 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5787151)
Happy Birthday to my favorite Cleveland Indian in the past quarter century, Francisco Lindor. I should mention that today's manager never managed a game in the major leagues, but won 1600+ games and four pennants as a minor league skipper.

C: Fred Carisch (1.5 WAR)
1B: Xavier Nady (3.8 WAR)
2B: Freddy Galvis (5.4 WAR)
3B: Joe Leonard (1.1 WAR)
SS: Francisco Lindor (23.9 WAR)
LF/Manager: Jack Lelivelt (6.6 WAR)
CF: Jim Piersall (29.4 WAR)
RF: Ruben Rivera (5.7 WAR)

SP: Curt Schilling (79.6 WAR)
SP: Harry Howell (32.9 WAR)
SP: Jim Brewer (15.9 WAR)
SP: Kent Bottenfield (6.7 WAR)
SP: Paul Wagner (1.9 WAR)
RP: Willie Hernandez (16.7 WAR)

Fun name: Tim Hamulack
The LOOGY who says Ni: Fu-Te Ni
   2. BDC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5787165)
Most times with the exact box-score line ab/r/h/bi, regular season since 1908, trivia in bold:

5 0 2 1 : Pete Rose with 43; a lot of these answers are "Pete Rose." This one is unusual, though, because Eddie Murray and Luis Aparicio are tied for second – with only 24 such games. Rose nearly doubled their total.

5 0 2 2 (15 times) and 5 0 2 3 (seven times): these two leaders' careers overlapped. One played for three franchises, and the other played for all three of them, plus a couple of others – but they were never teammates. Superficially their bottom lines have a lot in common: Each had 20 seasons played. One hit 170 HR and the other 172. One had a career OPS+ of 116 and the other, 119. One scored 1,196 Runs and the other 1,233. But one is a HOFer and the other is not even in the Hall of Merit. (NB: those "ones" and "others" are in no particular respective order, they're just to quickly show some superficial similarities.)

5 0 2 4 : thirteen men have done this twice. The only active ones are Denard Span and Ian Kinsler – well, I guess there's some debate about how active Kinsler is these days, after watching him pinch-run in the World Series

5 0 2 5 : 28 have done this once, the latest is Yoenis Cespedes in 2014

5 0 2 6 : only three players have had this day: Wally Gilbert in 1930, Clyde McCullough in 1950, and Chris Colabello in 2014. Gilbert was a no-hit glove whiz at 3B for the Dodgers, a longtime minor leaguer. McCullough was a long-career backup catcher for the Cubs and Pirates, odd in making two All-Star teams in years where he played 69 and 77 games respectively – I'm guessing it may have been a practice to name an emergency catcher to the All-Star squad, because McCullough got into neither game. Colabello had a decent year for Toronto in 2015, batting .321, but seems to have played his way out of pro ball now.

Colabello's 5026 day was simple enough: strikeout, 3-run double, 2-run double, RBI groundout, and a simple groundout, never scoring
   3. crict Posted: November 14, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5787295)
Colabello came out of nowhere in 2015, and got busted for PEDs in the following offseason. Never the same after that.
   4. Traderdave Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5787338)
I read a trivia question the other day in which the two Dick Schofields was an answer. I got to wondering, was the younger Schofield the last Richard in MLB to go by Dick?

I can't think of anyone more recent.
   5. RJ in TO Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5787349)
The non-Hofer of those 5 0 2 2 and 5 0 2 3 guys will be Mickey Vernon.
   6. BDC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5787352)
Vernon is correct; he had fifteen 5022 games. The 5023 leader overlapped the start of Vernon's career, in the same league.
   7. BDC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5787362)
Oh, and BTW, the guy in yesterday's trivia who had six 5320 games, and once made 530 Outs in a season (for over 20 years, the record) – was Frankie Crosetti.
   8. crict Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5787373)
I read a trivia question the other day in which the two Dick Schofields was an answer. I got to wondering, was the younger Schofield the last Richard in MLB to go by Dick?


Searching for Richard Dick in B-R, the answer is yes. Among the contemporaries, I'm not sure if Dickie Thon counts, but he's older than Schofield and last played in 1993 anyway (vs 1996 for Schofield).

However, the last MLB debut for a Dick is Dick Scott, who got 2 AB for the 1989 A's. He is a few months older.
   9. BDC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5787381)
Schofield is young (55 years old) to be called Dick. I knew many people of that name, but those still living tend to be 70 or older now. It's remarkable, because even as it was becoming absurd for anyone to use it as a new name or nickname, older guys named Dick were truly grandfathered in, and even now it doesn't sound the least bit odd to call them Dick.

   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5787383)
Oh, and BTW, the guy in yesterday's trivia who had six 5320 games, and once made 530 Outs in a season (for over 20 years, the record) – was Frankie Crosetti.


And the current record holder with 560 is the aptly nicknamed Omar "the Outmaker" Moreno, who has 2 other entries in the top 10.
   11. Man o' Schwar Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5787387)
I can't think of any friends who go by Dick, but I knew a lot of men who were my father's contemporaries who went by Dick. I hadn't realized that there hadn't been one in MLB in 20 years.

When I was a kid, saying the name of former Cubs pitcher Dick Tidrow never failed to get a laugh.
   12. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5787394)
When I was a kid, saying the name of former Cubs pitcher Dick Tidrow never failed to get a laugh.


Or Dick Pole...
   13. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:48 PM (#5787411)
Or Dick Butkus.
   14. TDF, trained monkey Posted: November 14, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5787424)
The best famous Dick name is Dick Trickle.
   15. BDC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5787477)
I gotta go into a thesis defense, so I will reveal that the player with the most 5023 games was Joe Cronin. Unfortunate that he was not Dick Somebody :) And on that note I will also sign off from BBTF, though I won't close my account or anything and should be quite findable if there's ever a need. Cheers, everyone!
   16. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:15 PM (#5787509)
And on that note I will also sign off from BBTF,


Excellent! My plan is nearly complete. First SBB, then BDC, next RMC.

Seriously, don't go for good. I admit I won't be coming around as much, but I'm not going anywhere. You are easily in the top 5 most valuable posters, and the site will be greatly diminished without your contributions.
   17. dlf Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5787511)
Seriously, don't go for good. I admit I won't be coming around as much, but I'm not going anywhere. You are easily in the top 5 most valuable posters, and the site will be greatly diminished without your contributions.


Seconded in all particulars.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5787512)
You are easily in the top 5 most valuable posters, and the site will be greatly diminished without your contributions.


I couldn't possibly agree more. BDC, you will be missed intensely.
   19. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5787514)
Cheers BDC. Even though I'm a relatively new poster, this whole thing is sad.
   20. BDC Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5787520)
Thanks so much, everybody. I deeply appreciate it - I have greatly enjoyed talking with everybody here.
   21. Ziggy's screen name Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5787527)
Wait BDC is leaving? He just stopped in to be a trivia Titan? What's this all about?
   22. Eric L Posted: November 14, 2018 at 08:58 PM (#5787616)
If BDC leaves, that is a bad sign for the site. Does Jim care at all?
   23. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 14, 2018 at 09:49 PM (#5787630)
Don't want to pollute the HOM ballot thread with a comment, so I'll post here. 14 of 37 ballots so far are blank, which pretty much guarantees no one elected. Which I agree with. What an awful slate of candidates.

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