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Thursday, November 16, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-16-2017

South Bend News-Times, November 16, 1917:

Branch Rickey, president of the St. Louis Cardinals and one time coach at Ohio Wesleyan university, will return the latter part of this week to help Coach McCoy put the finishing touches on the team that will meet Denison [in Delaware, Ohio] in the annual homecoming football game on Saturday. Rickey graduated from Wesleyan in 1904 and after graduation came [to Delaware] to coach football and baseball.

Beating Denison is the residue of design.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 07:50 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 16, 2017 at 07:53 AM (#5577087)
Not a great Birthday Team today, but it's better than yesterday. This team might be better off with their ace starting pitcher in right field when he's not pitching.

C/Manager: Mike McGeary (10.83 WAR)
1B: Rollie Zeider (5.97 WAR)
2B: Frank Bolling (17.12 WAR)
3B: Julio Lugo (13.58 WAR)
SS: Ed Busch (1.56 WAR)
LF: Morrie Arnovich (7.47 WAR)
CF: Cristobal Torriente (0 WAR, Negro Leagues legend)
RF: Ab Wright (-0.67 WAR)

SP: Dwight Gooden (53.17 WAR)
SP: Paul Foytack (10.24 WAR)
SP: Clay Bryant (8.18 WAR)
SP: Bill McGee (8.12 WAR)
SP: Chris Haney (3.24 WAR)
RP: Jordan Walden (3.49 WAR)

Fun names: Joe Quest, Jake Munch, Blas Monaco, Cheslor Cuthbert
Not quite as successful as his father: Pete Rose Jr. (-0.31 WAR)
Pinch runner: Herb Washington (-0.48 WAR)
Pioneer: Glenn Burke (-2.4 WAR)
   2. BDC Posted: November 16, 2017 at 09:12 AM (#5577112)
I had forgotten that Gooden could hit a little. For pitchers with 100 PAs, 1984-93, he is 17th of 148 in batting average (.198), also 17th in OPS (.475).

The only pitchers of that era who were near the low end of being actual major-league hitters were Rick Rhoden and Dan Schatzeder, but Gooden was up there with Bob Forsch, Orel Hershiser, and Fernando Valenzuela in the "good for a pitcher" category.
   3. Tom T Posted: November 16, 2017 at 10:23 AM (#5577175)
Rick Rhoden and Dan Schatzeder


Don't forget Caveman (Don Robinson) -- 62 OPS+ vs. Rhoden's 60 OPS+. For a few years the Pirates almost had a monopoly on pitchers who were viable pinch-hitting options....
   4. Batman Posted: November 16, 2017 at 11:12 AM (#5577221)
Gooden was a left-handed hitter, but the Mets didn't want to expose his pitching arm and made him hit righty.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: November 16, 2017 at 11:12 AM (#5577224)
Don't forget Caveman (Don Robinson) -- 62 OPS+ vs. Rhoden's 60 OPS+.


What about Terry Forster? He didn't get a lot of opportunities since he was mostly a reliever, but a .397/.413/.474 career line says he could have added a lot of oh-fers to that line and still been a damn good hitting pitcher.
   6. Tom T Posted: November 16, 2017 at 06:32 PM (#5577687)
Terry Forster


Excellent point. I always forget ol' "Tub 'o Goo" pitched that far into the '80s. I always wondered why nobody had him try to be a PH ... it wasn't like he had a fluke season that pushed those numbers up --- each time he got more than a few AB in a season, he hit well.
   7. shoewizard Posted: November 16, 2017 at 06:34 PM (#5577688)
Stanton wins MVP, Votto 2nd, Goldschmidt 3rd

correct

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