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Monday, November 19, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-19-2012

Pittsburgh Press, November 19, 1912:

There are various forms of rumors, but for virulence, persistence and utter irresponsibility, the baseball rumor has them all beaten to a pale, debilitated whisper. A baseball rumor is an untruth that has not been convicted.
...
Some rumor manufacturers have method in their madness. Sometimes a class G magnate has a spavined derelict who he years to expunge from the pay roll. Whereupon he evolves a rumor to the effect that John J. McGraw would purchase the services of said spavined derelict in exchange for $250,000 and Christy Mathewson. As a result some other magnate becomes so dazzled that he pays $75 in real money to take the said derelict off the aforementioned magnate’s hands, beating the coroner to it by half a length.

Scott Boras has a much better technique: Just call Jon Heyman.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: November 19, 2012 at 07:24 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: November 19, 2012 at 07:29 AM (#4305783)
I'd be shocked if there's a Birthday Team with a better backup catcher than November 19. And, yes, when the highlight of your ballclub is extreme catcher depth, you aren't very good.

C: Roy Campanella
1B: Ryan Howard
2B: Stu Martin
3B: Andy Sheets
SS: Everett Scott
LF: Manny Jimenez
CF: Bobby Tolan
RF: Michael Saunders

SP: Denny Driscoll
SP: Jonathan Sanchez
SP: Dickie Noles
SP: Al Pratt
SP: Jack Nabors
RP: Justin Duchscherer

Manager: The Other Joe Morgan
Backup catcher: Bob Boone
Backup shortstop: Gary Disarcina
Umpire: Mike Winters
   2. BochysFingers Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:10 AM (#4305788)
Happy 30th to Jonathan Sanchez... man was his 2012 fugly.
   3. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4305789)
Up at THT, it's the 10 greatest Game Fours in LCS history. There are plenty great ones to pick from, too.

Also, today marks 10,000 days since the Rick Camp Game. Or, 10,000 days since it began.
   4. bobm Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4305790)
Also, today marks 10,000 days since the Rick Camp Game Keith Hernandez hit for the cycle.


FTFY :)
   5. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 19, 2012 at 09:48 AM (#4305797)
The 5th starter on today's birthday team has a career record of 1-25. His 1915 was an 82 ERA+ and a record of 1-20 for the 36-117 As.
   6. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4305812)
The 5th starter on today's birthday team has a career record of 1-25. His 1915 was an 82 ERA+ and a record of 1-20 for the 36-117 As.


And yet, he probably wasn't as bad as his record suggests. (That 1-20 was actually 1916, not 1915.) This was a team that was playing 41-YO Nap Lajoie at 2B, had a 20-YO rookie shortstop who committed 59 errors, fielded .903 with a -1.4 dWAR, had a catcher (Wally Schang) playing in the outfield, and a 3B - inappropriately named Charlie Pick - who committed 44 errors, fielded .898, and tossed in -0.6 dWAR. Between the three non-1B infield positions you had nearly -3.0 dWAR. The 1916 As were probably the worst defensive team since 1900.

Not that Nabors was a *good* pitcher, mind you, but there were extenuating circumstances.

-- MWE



   7. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4305813)
Up at THT, it's the 10 greatest Game Fours in LCS history.

We agree about the same amount on the contents of the list as we did on Game 3, it looks like.

1. 1988 NLCS (9th)
2. 2004 ALCS (3)
3. 1992 ALCS (4). Not only did the Jays come back from 5 down over the last 2 innings, but they loaded the bases with go-ahead runs in the top of the ninth after tying it. Then, the A's got a runner to third with one out in the bottom of the ninth, only to have him get cut down at home on a grounder. That's a pretty exciting inning.
4. 1997 ALCS (7)
5. 1973 NLCS. 1-1 between the Reds and Mets through 8. The Reds loaded the bases with one out in the ninth, loaded them with two out in the tenth, and put runners on the corners with one out in the eleventh, failing to score each time. They finally won it on a Pete Rose solo homer in the twelfth.
6. 1986 ALCS (8)
7. 1984 NLCS (1)
8. 2011 ALCS. Nelson Cruz accrues his 5th, 6th, and 7th eleventh-inning RBIs of the series. Also, he throws out Miguel Cabrera at home on a potential go-ahead sac fly in the eighth.
9. 1978 NLCS. Back-and-forth. The Phillies got a go-ahead homer from Greg Luzinski in the third, the Dodgers tied it with a Ron Cey homer in the fourth. Steve Garvey put LA ahead with a sixth-inning solo shot, and Bake McBride matched him an inning later. Both teams left two runners in the eighth, and the game finally ended on a Bill Russell single in the tenth, one play after Garry Maddox made an error.
10. 2008 NLCS. Phillies-Dodgers again, a 30th anniversary special. Seesaw to a 3-3 tie after five. In the sixth, the Dodgers took the lead on a Casey Blake solo homer, and extended it when Ryan Howard made an error on a sac bunt attempt, scoring one runner and putting two others on second and third with nobody out. LA didn't score further, though, and Philly stormed back in the eighth, tying the game on a 2-run homer by Shane Victorino, then taking the lead on a 2-run shot by rotund, ancient Matt Stairs, providing the final 7-5 margin.

I was quite surprised not to see the 1972 AL entry on my list as well, since extra-inning rallies are usually catnip to my win expectancy-based system. It ranks 13th on a very strong list of games, and would have been in the top 10 as recently as 5 years ago; numbers 10, 11, and 12 are NLCS Game Fours from '08, '10, and '09, respectively.
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: November 19, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4305816)
And yet, he probably wasn't as bad as his record suggests.

bWAR adjusts his RA downward by .41 to account for his defense, and ends up actually giving him slight positive value for the 1-20 season.
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4305837)
BIG NEWS

Royals sign ex-Phillies stopgap Brian Sanches
Royals sign Atahualpa Severino. I don't know who that is but I hope we get to hear that name again.

Mets sign Brian Bixler

Brewers sign Zach Kroenke, the non-union Mexican equivalent of the guy they had last year.

Cardinals sign ex-Mariners catcher of the future Rob Johnson. With stats of .201/.277/.297 in 791 PA in six big-league seasons he's a sure bet to get at least 100 hits this year with the ####### Cardinals.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4305860)
Sanches has put up a few decent seasons, I'm kinda surprised he never seems to land a MLB deal. He began his career with the Royals and I remember liking him as a prospect so I'm glad to see him back, even though its most likely he spends most of the year in Omaha.

Blue Jays sign P Bobby Korecky

Cubs sign P Shawn Camp

Rangers sign P Scott Olsen

Tigers sign IF Kevin "Mad Dog" Russo

Cards sign OF Justin Christian
   11. Steve N Posted: November 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4305862)
"And yet, he probably wasn't as bad as his record suggests. (That 1-20 was actually 1916, not 1915.)"

Its hard to imagine someone who was as bad as 1-20.
   12. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4305871)
Sanches has put up a few decent seasons, I'm kinda surprised he never seems to land a MLB deal.


Why would you tie up a roster spot when there are at least 20 guys out there like him?

-- MWE
   13. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4305875)
Atahualpa Severino was originally signed as an amateur FA out of the Dominican by Montreal in 2004. He had a cup of coffee with the Nationals in 2011, and was the guy who was DFA'd when the Nationals picked up Ceser Izturis. He's a lefty reliever with fringe-average stuff who needs better control than he's shown to be successful long-term.

-- MWE
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4305884)

Why would you tie up a roster spot when there are at least 20 guys out there like him?


I suppose, but it seems like every team has 3-4 guys on their 40 man roster much less valuable than Sanches. For example, the Royals have replaceable guys like Brett Hayes, Adam Moore, Tony Abreu, Clint Robinson, and Francisely Bueno. I'd wager Sanches will be more usful than any of those stiffs.
   15. JJ1986 Posted: November 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4305893)
For example, the Royals have replaceable guys like Brett Hayes, Adam Moore, Tony Abreu, Clint Robinson, and Francisely Bueno. I'd wager Sanches will be more usful than any of those stiffs.


His value is lowered if he has no options left. Most of those guys probably can be swapped on and off the roster whenever. (Abreu probably doesn't either and certainly isn't worth the spot.)
   16. WahooSam Posted: November 19, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4305988)
Everett Scott sure got a lot of Hall of Fame votes
   17. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: November 19, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4306001)
Everett Scott sure got a lot of Hall of Fame votes

I believe he held the record for consecutive games played before Gehrig. And there was no 5% rule back in his day, as you can see from the fact that he got votes in 14 different years over a 20-year span despite peaking at 3.2%.
   18. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 19, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4306147)
I believe he held the record for consecutive games played before Gehrig.


He did indeed. And his streak ended on May 6, 1925. Gehrig's started on June 1, less than a month later, when he pinch hit for Pee Wee Wanninger, who had replaced Scott in the Yankee lineup. Scott played in only six more games for the Yankees after being removed from the lineup, until he was claimed off waivers by the Senators on June 17.

-- MWE

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