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Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-22-2017

Boise Capital News, November 22, 1917:

Ban Johnson, president of the American league will ask the war department to grant exemption from military service to 18 men on each of the 16 major league clubs, in order that baseball may continue during the war.

That Ban Johnson’s suggestion for exemption of big league baseball players should be the beginning of his end was the official view expressed at the provost marshal general’s office today.

[National League]President Tener today told the United Press he would not “go one inch toward Washington to ask President Wilson or the secretary of war for special favors for baseball.”

Tener 1, Johnson 0.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 09:46 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 09:47 AM (#5580014)
A perfectly cromulent Birthday Team today, but nothing phenomenal.

C: Austin Romine (-1.97 WAR)
1B: Greg Luzinski (26.07 WAR)
2B: Wayne Tolleson (2.44 WAR)
3B: Mike Benjamin (6.84 WAR)
SS: Dick Bartell (40.2 WAR)
LF: Lyman Bostock (13.01 WAR)
CF: Jay Payton (15.43 WAR)
RF: Harry Rice (15.38 WAR)

SP: Lew Burdette (28.92 WAR)
SP: Joe Nathan (27.18 WAR)
SP: Drew Pomeranz (11.26 WAR)
SP: Lee Guetterman (3.7 WAR)
SP: Yusmeiro Petit (2.65 WAR)
RP: Adam Ottavino (6.05 WAR)
RP: Cy Acosta (5.65 WAR)

Manager: George Taylor
Owner: Fred Wilpon
Don't touch him: Kevin Rhomberg
Fun names: Charlie Hamburg, Denny Riddleberger, Pi Schwert
   2. BDC Posted: November 22, 2017 at 10:13 AM (#5580031)
In the fourth week of May 1928, the American Giants beat the (western) Cuban Stars three games out of five. But the Chicago Defender was at least as excited to preview an upcoming five-game series against the Kansas City Monarchs. The Monarchs returned veterans like infielders Newt Allen and Newt Joseph at SS and 3B, and player-manager Bullet Joe Rogan. They'd also added pitcher Alfred Cooper, called Army because he had long played for the powerful 25th Regiment ballclub, and young Lee Livingston, "the leading clouter in the Texas college conference, coming from Wiley" (Defender, 5-26-1928). Negro college baseball in Texas was widely reported in the national black press, and clubs like Wiley, Paul Quinn, Bishop, Texas College, and Prairie View were prominent in the 1920s.
   3. Batman Posted: November 22, 2017 at 10:32 AM (#5580051)
I remember being excited when the White Sox traded for Wayne Tolleson and reliever Dave Schmidt. To get them, the Sox gave up Scott Fletcher, who was a younger version of Tolleson and soon became a much better version of him, and Ed Correa, a 19-year-old MLB-ready starter, pitching over 200 innings for the Rangers the next year. In my defense, I was ten. GM Hawk Harrelson was not.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 22, 2017 at 10:45 AM (#5580064)
I didn't realize that Greg Luzinski came up as a first baseman. I remember him playing first in a couple of games down the stretch for the 1983 White Sox, since he would have had to play the field in the World Series. The Phillies moved him off of first to make way for the less-than-immortal Tommy Hutton.
   5. Batman Posted: November 22, 2017 at 11:33 AM (#5580138)
Wade Blasingame is second behind Burdette in most stats for the real starters on today's team. Only one pitcher has managed to have more negative career WAR while pitching as many innings as Blasingame, which is probably why he doesn't make the rotation.
   6. KJOK Posted: November 22, 2017 at 01:49 PM (#5580290)
They'd also added pitcher Alfred Cooper, called Army because he had long played for the powerful 25th Regiment ballclub,

Cooper is also the heaviest known Negro League player, weighing in around 250 pounds at 6 ft 3 inches, which was huge for the 1920's.

   7. catomi01 Posted: November 22, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5580362)
I once had dinner with Wayne Tolleson - right around the time his son was coming up through the Twins system. Nice guy - but the evening was overshadowed by the fact that Brian Cashman was supposed to join us - but disappeared on a phone call as we were waiting for our table.
   8. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 22, 2017 at 08:36 PM (#5580467)
CF: Jay Payton (15.43 WAR)

Payton is a classic case of a guy I got used to thinking of as "bad", in part because my sabr-friendly friends didn't think much of him. But his career, taken in the grand context of baseball careers, wasn't bad at all. He was an average player for several years, and piling up 15 WAR is nothing to be sneezed at, even if it doesn't make you a star.
   9. Rennie's Tenet Posted: November 23, 2017 at 10:15 AM (#5580550)
Boston Pilgrims revival:
c: Cornelius McGillicuddy
1b: Mark Grace
2b: Pumpsiekin Pie Green
3b: Ron Squanto
ss: Jimmy Rollins
lf: Turkey Stearnes
cf: Willie Maize
rf: Gravy Cravath
dh: Carl Yamstremski
rhp: Roy Halladay
lhp: Nap Rucker
rp: Bryan Harveyst
Mgr: Charlie Dressen
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 23, 2017 at 10:43 AM (#5580558)
piling up 15 WAR is nothing to be sneezed at, even if it doesn't make you a star.

Star is of course subjective, but the following players with between 14 and 16 WAR could be considered stars at least at one point in their careers:

Ryan Howard
Larry Parrish (2 ASG, MVP-4)
Tony Armas (2 ASG, MVP-4, 7)
Bill Buckner
Eric Hosmer
Lee Mazzilli
Al Cowens (MVP-2)
Ralph Garr
Mike Kreevich (ASG, 2X MVP-10)
Glenn Beckert (4 ASG, MVP-9)
Harold Reynolds (2 ASG, 3 GG)

Anyway, it's pretty good company. Not sure if you could build a championship team with 14-16 WAR players, but it would be pretty solid.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: November 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM (#5580566)
Playing OOTP has reminded me how really damn good and important a 15-25 WAR player could be. 20 WAR could easily be a guy that confidently locks down a position for the better part of a decade and peaks at near all-star level.

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