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Friday, November 24, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-24-2017

Chicago Eagle, November 24, 1917:

“It is just like listening to a drum corps when you come to bat with Ray Schalk catching,” writes Oscar Vitt. “He is always whistling. He uses a trill note and occasionally bursts into song. A batter has to be on his guard all the time to keep his mind on the game, for this boy Schalk is always chatting or doing something behind the bat.

Distraction is the new market inefficiency.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 24, 2017 at 10:10 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 24, 2017 at 10:12 AM (#5580682)
A deep Birthday Team today. Al Martin is the worst position player on the roster and he had 1172 hits, 132 home runs, and 173 stolen bases over an 11-year MLB career.

C: Steve Yeager (17.97 WAR)
1B: Jim Northrup (22.13 WAR)
2B: Jose Lopez (10.09 WAR)
3B: Randy Velarde (24.94 WAR)
SS: Billy Rogell (23.69 WAR)
LF: Joe Medwick (55.56 WAR)
CF: Al Martin (7.28 WAR)
RF/Not that one: Non-Tioga George Burns (39.25 WAR)

SP: Bob Friend (40.98 WAR)
SP: Ben McDonald (20.89 WAR)
SP: Cal Eldred (16.21 WAR)
SP: Jarrod Parker (6.06 WAR)
SP: Damian Moss (1.69 WAR)
RP: Horacio Ramirez (2.04 WAR)

Fun name: Stub Smith
Not that one: Fred Smith
Pinch Hitter: Dave Hansen (4.06 WAR)
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: November 24, 2017 at 10:46 AM (#5580690)
Al Martin is the worst position player on the roster and he had 1172 hits, 132 home runs, and 173 stolen bases over an 11-year MLB career.


While discussing how well Jim Rice was suited to Fenway Park, I found that Al Martin's career totals are very close to the Rice's career totals in road games:

Martin: 4688 PA/4242 AB/664 R/1172 H/220 2B/48 3B/132 HR/485 RBI/173 SB/65 CS/390 BB/879 K/.276/.339/.444/.783/1884 TB/63 GIDP

Rice: 4551 PA/4150 AB/568 R/1148 H/166 2B/35 3B/174 HR/649 RBI/26 SB/17 CS/322 BB/732 K/.277/.330/.459/.789/1906 TB/159 GIDP

Rice's home slash of .320/.374/.546 is about the same as Chuck Klein's career .320/.379/.543, but the playing time doesn't match up as well as it does above.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 24, 2017 at 11:05 AM (#5580692)
I remember Ben McDonald as a big bust because he was a hugely hyped #1 pick from my youth, but I had completely forgotten that he was actually quite good when healthy, which was more often than you would think.
   4. esseff Posted: November 24, 2017 at 11:15 AM (#5580702)
Think how much better Al Martin's numbers might have been if not for the debilitating toll of his football career at USC.
   5. Tom T Posted: November 24, 2017 at 12:31 PM (#5580721)
Cool --- Bob Friend and Ray "Cracker" Schalk. Would be hard-pressed to get more of a West Lafayette flavor to a Dugout! Heck, Cal Eldred probably pitched here at some point, too....
   6. G. Bostock Posted: November 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM (#5580723)
   7. AndrewJ Posted: November 24, 2017 at 02:07 PM (#5580755)
RF/Not that one: Non-Tioga George Burns

And also not to be confused with this George Burns, who was a contemporary. Both of them had very decent careers.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: November 24, 2017 at 02:11 PM (#5580756)
The issue came up when Martin told a Times reporter this spring that crashing into teammate Carlos Guillen during a Mariners' game reminded him of a 1986 football game between Southern California and Michigan.

"For some reason, probably because I was young and dumb, I decided I could make a head-on stop of (Michigan's) Leroy Hoard," Martin told the Times in May. "I hit him, or rather he hit me. You remember those big tree-trunk legs Hoard had? That's what hit me."


Interesting that he chose to lie about getting walloped. I guess it's the right touch of verisimilitude.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:22 PM (#5580787)
Leroy Hoard played zero games in 1986.
USC didn't play Michigan in 1986. Or 1987. Or 1988. Or 1985. Or 1984. Or 1983. Or 1982. Or 1981.

Al Martin was bad at lying.

   10. eric Posted: November 24, 2017 at 03:26 PM (#5580792)
I remember Ben McDonald as a big bust because he was a hugely hyped #1 pick from my youth, but I had completely forgotten that he was actually quite good when healthy, which was more often than you would think.

He was massively hyped when drafted--he was Stephen Strasburg 20 years earlier. He was going to be Baltimore's Roger Clemens. He had a very good rookie campaign, with a CG SHO in his first start, which only added to the hype. But he finished the season with only 8 wins when that was still the most relevant stat, then spent a couple years finding himself, so the disappointment tag got firmly affixed. By the time he actually became a good player, silly ball had hit so his 4.00 ERAs, while strong in context, were still being compared against the old standards as people hadn't yet adjusted to the new reality. Then shoulder problems ended his career at age 29.

I say all this as a Maryland native who was also pretty recently shocked at how good Ben McDonald really was in retrospect. #1 pick with about 21 career WAR...that probably has to be around the expectation of a #1 overall pick. He certainly wasn't a Heath Shuler-level bust the media would have led you to believe.
   11. RJ in TO Posted: November 24, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5580818)
Leroy Hoard played zero games in 1986.
USC didn't play Michigan in 1986. Or 1987. Or 1988. Or 1985. Or 1984. Or 1983. Or 1982. Or 1981.

Al Martin was bad at lying.


Not that bad, given it took 15 years for someone to notice.

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