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Tuesday, November 27, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-27-2012

100 years ago today, the Horace Fogel saga comes to a conclusion. San Francisco Call, November 27, 1912:

Horace Fogel, president of the Philadelphia National league baseball club, tendered his resignation to the National league magnates in session here this afternoon. He took this action suddenly and without explanation…

New York Evening World, November 27, 1912:

The National League magnates, in session at the Waldorf-Astoria this afternoon, found Horace Fogel, President of the Philadelphia National League Club, guilty on five of the seven charges preferred against him by President Thomas J. Lynch. Fogel was tried for making accusations that last season’s race for the pennant had been fixed for the Giants to win.
...
The decision means that Fogel will be barred from organized baseball and from all baseball grounds over which the National Commission has control.

He fought authority, authority always wins.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 27, 2012 at 06:17 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 27, 2012 at 06:26 AM (#4310392)
Weird collection of position players on today's Birthday Team: One of the greatest catchers of all time, a National League MVP, and otherwise, diddly squat. I guess Milligan could hit too, though he's hardly a difference-maker.

Top of the rotation is pretty good. O'Toole was on his way to a nice career before he scragged his arm and was out of the majors for good by age 25.

C: Ivan Rodriguez
1B: Randy Milligan
2B: Bob Sheldon
3B: Billy Moran
SS: Jimmy Rollins
LF: Willie Bloomquist
CF: Jose Tartabull
RF: Jonathan Van Every

SP: Bullet Joe Bush
SP: Dave Giusti
SP: Johnny Schmitz
SP: Marty O'Toole
SP: Dan Spillner
RP: Raul Valdes

Manager: Mike Scioscia
   2. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: November 27, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4310428)
As noted at THT, today also marks the 40th anniversary of one of the best Yankee trades of the 1970s. Can you figure out what it would be before clicking on the link?
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 27, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4310449)

As noted at THT, today also marks the 40th anniversary of one of the best Yankee trades of the 1970s. Can you figure out what it would be before clicking on the link?


Got the player involved, but I forgot who he was acquired for.

Ichiro re-signs with the Yankees - 1 yr/$5 mill.
   4. alkeiper Posted: November 27, 2012 at 09:45 AM (#4310453)
Jeremy Guthrie and Jeff Passan on Twitter are reporting the passing of Marvin Miller.
   5. AndrewJ Posted: November 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4310497)
On the same day Jimmy Rollins was born in Oakland, across the bay George Moscone and Harvey Milk were gunned down in San Francisco's City Hall.
   6. puck Posted: November 27, 2012 at 10:37 AM (#4310509)
Weird collection of position players on today's Birthday Team

I thought, that's a lot of recent players. Then I realized that was Jose and not Danny. Though even so it still seems like a lot of recent players. I think Rodriguez would have to move to LF and Scioscia would have to be player/manager.
   7. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: November 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4310538)
The National League magnates, in session at the Waldorf-Astoria this afternoon, found Horace Fogel, President of the Philadelphia ...


That's how it ends on the front page. I expected it to finish with "...dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot." He still had 16 years left.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: November 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4310546)
Cubs sign Scott Feldman for 1-year.
   9. jwb Posted: November 27, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4310685)
The Ichiro plot thickens.
   10. ColonelTom Posted: November 27, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4310737)
Madson to the Angels on a heavily incentive-laden deal. The Twitter-heads say Madson will close and Frieri will set up. That's a strong bullpen - Madson, Frieri, Downs, Walden, and Jepsen so far.
   11. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 27, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4310742)
Is there a list of players like Madson who signed with a team in the middle of their careers, never played for the team because of a season-long injury, and resumed their career somewhere else? It's interesting to contemplate, presumably he spent a lot of time with other Reds players, he thought of himself as a Red for a few months at least, but will he ever be called an ex-Red? No.

I know another one is Scott Proctor with the Marlins.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: November 27, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4310751)
Is there a list of players like Madson who signed with a team in the middle of their careers, never played for the team because of a season-long injury, and resumed their career somewhere else? It's interesting to contemplate, presumably he spent a lot of time with other Reds players, he thought of himself as a Red for a few months at least, but will he ever be called an ex-Red? No.


If Mark Prior ever makes it back to the bigs, his list (right now, SD, Tex., NY and Bos) will be pretty damn long.
   13. JJ1986 Posted: November 27, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4310759)
Pedro Feliciano could be one next year too.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: November 27, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4310765)
El Duque with the Expos?
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 27, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4310771)
He was traded to the Expos, spent a year on the DL, then returned to the Yankees! I have no memory of that.

Anything like that, where a player spends a whole year on the roster of a team he never plays for, on a sizable contract, and then leaves and resumes his productive playing career.
   16. Sweatpants Posted: November 27, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4310781)
I'm probably stretching the concept here, but Tanyon Sturtze was on the Braves in 2007. He never pitched for them and was on the DL until his release in August, and his career "resumed" in the sense that he eked out 2.1 innings for the Dodgers in 2008.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 27, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4310816)
Jason Isringhausen was with the Reds for a few months, but never pitched for them.
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 27, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4310824)
Is there a list of players like Madson who signed with a team in the middle of their careers, never played for the team because of a season-long injury


Pokey Reese with the Mariners.
   19. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 27, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4310870)
Alonzo Mourning, Toronto Raptor.

(Traded, not signed)
   20. Craig in MN Posted: November 27, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4310893)
Pedro Feliciano could be one next year too.


Joel Zumaya only threw a few pitches for the Twins in Spring Training last year. If he can get healthy, he'd fit the bill too.
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 27, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4310913)
Interesting, Pokey Reese did get a $900,000 contract which means they expected him to be a major part of the Mariners, but he never came back to play in the majors again.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 27, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4310932)
Carlos Ruiz suspended 25 games for amphetamines.
   23. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 27, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4310942)
CURSES! BY LUCIFER'S BEARD!
   24. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: November 27, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4310946)
Carlos Ruiz suspended 25 games for amphetamines.
time for some kratz.
   25. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 27, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4310953)
Good thing people coted for choice last year.

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