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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-8-2018

El Paso Herald, November 8, 1918:

Irish Fans Not Very Excited Over Baseball

Weather and an open-eyed wonder as to what it is all about made the first international baseball game Dublin has seen something of a fizzle so far as enthusiasm was concerned.

Yanks met Canadians, and the Yanks won, 13 to 6. The game was played in puddles, with much slopping about. Dublin boys will not adopt baseball as the result of their first introduction to the game.

People trying to spread baseball in Ireland were fighting an uphill battle. They didn’t have the benefit of a bunch of existing cricket fans, as the Gaelic Athletic Association had banned cricket. Anyone who played foreign (read: British) sports would be banned from hurling and Gaelic football, and that policy wasn’t lifted until 1970.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:12 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5784193)
Not much in the way of starting pitching on today's Birthday Team. Nick Kingham's 5 wins, 15 starts, and 5.21 career ERA put him solidly in the rotation.

C: Yasmani Grandal (13.5 WAR)
1B: Jose Offerman (17.0 WAR)
2B: Tony Cuccinello (35.3 WAR)
3B: Edgardo Alfonzo (28.8 WAR)
SS: Jeff Blauser (20.9 WAR)
LF: Shane Halter (6.4 WAR)
CF: Wally Westlake (14.8 WAR)
RF: Giancarlo Stanton (39.2 WAR)

SP: John Denny (32.3 WAR)
SP: Bill Hoffer (19.4 WAR)
SP: Gary Lucas (5.0 WAR)
SP: Dave Black (-0.2 WAR)
SP: Nick Kingham (-0.4 WAR)
RP: Bryan Shaw (5.2 WAR)

Manager/backup infielder: Bucky Harris (15.2 WAR)
Broadcaster/backup infielder: Jerry Remy (14.6 WAR)
Defensive replacement: Darwin Barney (9.3 WAR)
Utilityguy: Nick Punto (15.4 WAR)
Fun name: Beauty McGowan
   2. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5784202)
Back to a few box-score lines! Most times with the exact line ab/r/h/bi in the regular season since 1908, trivia in bold:

5 1 1 1 : 39 times by a HOF who saw time as both a middle infielder and an outfielder

5 2 1 1 : five men did it six times each

5 3 1 1 : twice by a different HOF who saw time as both a middle infielder and an outfielder

5 4 1 1 : Gus Suhr and Geoff Jenkins are the only guys to do this

5 1 1 2 : 19 times by Hank Aaron

5 1 1 3 : four guys did it nine times, including Aaron and Eddie Murray

5 1 1 4 : Murray and Ken Griffey Jr. did this four times apiece

5 1 1 5 : Bob Elliott did it twice

5 1 1 6 : this odd line has occurred twice. A HOFer did it in 1951 with a grand slam, an ROE RBI, and a SF. A two-time All-Star did it in 1972 with a grand slam and two RBI groundouts. Though both were excellent players, their two major-league careers combined amount to only 21 seasons and a little over 2,300 games. (Neither was a pitcher, BTW.)
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5784205)
5 1 1 1: Yount?
   4. PreservedFish Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5784209)
Pete Rose gotta be one of them.
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5784218)
5116 - 1951 is Ralph Kiner?
   6. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5784222)
Yount is not the 5111 record-holder … but he is the 5311 record-holder :)

Rose doesn't fit any of the open categories, because he is not a HOFer and was on many more than two AS teams. He doesn't figure on these leaderboards, oddly enough, though he's all over most of those I've compiled. Rose is not one of the five guys to have six 5211 games, for instance; he only did that twice.
   7. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5784223)
Not Kiner for 1951.
   8. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5784225)
Footnote: the five guys to have six 5211 games are Joe Kuhel, Woody English, Ben Chapman, Red Schoendienst, and Dick Groat … that was a trivia item beyond my powers to compose. The other two 5113 guys are Jose Canseco and David Ortiz.
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5784226)
I'm going to go out on a limb with Monte Irvin and Bill Melton for 5 1 1 6.
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 08, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5784227)
Only other middle infielder/outfielder HOF that immediately comes to mind is Biggio. Is he 5111?
   11. PreservedFish Posted: November 08, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5784229)
Rose doesn't fit any of the open categories, because he is not a HOFer


Ok ... at least this wasn't as bad as vortex's mistake yesterday.
   12. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5784232)
Biggio for 5111, yes. Monte Irvin is correct, too. Bill Melton is pretty similar to the other 5116 guy in several respects, but not correct.
   13. GGC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5784250)
Not baseball, but one of my favorite sportswriters has passed:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/01/paul-zimmerman-sports-illustrated


Paul, aka Dr. Z, wrote the witty THINKING MAN'S GUIDE TO PRO FOOTBALL. I think I know more about football from the era arounf the NFL-AFL merger than I know about it today.
   14. Chris Fluit Posted: November 08, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5784363)
Bobby Murcer for the other 5116?
   15. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5784365)
Not Murcer, though obviously a contemporary. The guy in question was, like Melton, a RHB who played quite a bit of 3B (he was playing there in '72).
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 08, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5784374)
Ken McMullen?
   17. Chris Fluit Posted: November 08, 2018 at 01:52 PM (#5784375)
Jim Ray Hart?
   18. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5784421)
Neither McMullen nor Hart …
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 08, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5784425)
Doug Rader?
   20. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5784439)
Not Rader. The 5116 guy played slightly less than half his career games at 3B. He played only in the AL and for just one team, too.
   21. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 08, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5784447)
Paul Schaal?
   22. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5784455)
Paul Schaal was never an All-Star. I liked Schaal, though. I had a "Paul Schaal in Action" baseball card that, IIRC, showed Schaal leaping straight up into the air.
   23. The Mighty Quintana Posted: November 08, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5784469)
5116 two-time A.S. - Rico Petrocelli?
   24. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 08, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5784508)
Paul Schaal was never an All-Star. I liked Schaal, though. I had a "Paul Schaal in Action" baseball card that, IIRC, showed Schaal leaping straight up into the air.


I deserve a little credit, though, for pulling "Paul Schaal" out of the woodwork.
   25. BDC Posted: November 08, 2018 at 07:07 PM (#5784593)
Petrocelli is correct!
   26. AndrewJ Posted: November 08, 2018 at 08:45 PM (#5784636)
Also, Ed Kranepool turns 74 today.

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