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Monday, December 10, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-10-2012

Toledo News-Bee, December 10, 1912:

Johnny Evers was riding in a New York taxicab that almost ran down Heinie Zimmerman, the champion batter of the Cubs and the National league. “Hey, whatcherdoing?” Evers shouted to the driver. “I’ll have troubles enough managing the Cubs next season without you killing my team.”

It’s even harder to manage a team when your best position player is throwing games.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: December 10, 2012 at 09:17 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, heinie zimmerman, history, johnny evers

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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: December 10, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4320746)
An extremely deep bullpen on today's Birthday Team. Not much else.

C: Jim Stephens
1B: Art Griggs
2B: Dalton Jones
3B: Jimmy Johnston
SS: Ike Caveney
LF: Luis Polonia
CF: Frank Shugart
RF: Roy Carlyle

SP: Steve Renko
SP: Joe Mays
SP: Bob Priddy
SP: Bob Black
SP: John Sowders
RP: Paul Assenmacher
RP: Dan Wheeler
RP: Mel Rojas

Manager: Doc Edwards
Fun Names: Bots Nekola, Pretzel Pezzullo
   2. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: December 10, 2012 at 09:28 AM (#4320752)
Up at THT: Cooperstown and Kenny Lofton. Of allthe legitimate candidates on this year's BBWWAA ballot, Lofton has the worst chance at getting elected. A look at why WAR likes him so much and why popular perception isn't as good.

Also, a baseball historical item notes that baseball owners approved of two big rules changes 40 years ago today. Can you guess what either one was before clicking on the link?
   3. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: December 10, 2012 at 09:37 AM (#4320759)
Up at BTF: What do you do with Deacon White?, a new idea I came up with for adjusting shortened schedules.
   4. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: December 10, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4320763)
Can you guess what either one was before clicking on the link?


DH obviously.
   5. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 10, 2012 at 11:06 AM (#4320809)
and save rule.
   6. kthejoker Posted: December 10, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4320813)
Rule V draft?
   7. JJ1986 Posted: December 10, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4320824)
Clemente was a Rule 5 pick, so it's been around since at least the 50s.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 10, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4320826)
I always see Clemente on the list of notable Rule 5 picks, and then nobody else of note until George Bell 30 years later. Was it scaled back or something and then retooled in the interim? That's always bugged me.
   9. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: December 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4320859)
Also, a baseball historical item notes that baseball owners approved of two big rules changes 40 years ago today. Can you guess what either one was before clicking on the link?

DH and saves...and I can honestly say I answered that question without clicking the link!
   10. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4320876)
The save rule was actually added to the rule book beginning with the 1969 season. The 1972 vote made it permanent.

The DH wasn't officially adopted in the AL for another month after the original vote, actually. At the time there was no provision for league-specific playing rules, and the NL was opposed to the DH. Bowie Kuhn and a faction of AL owners were also pushing for interleague play. At a meeting of the owners in Chicago in early January, the NL agreed to allow the AL to adopt the DH individually, which they then did officially on an 8-4 vote.

-- MWE
   11. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4320890)
I always see Clemente on the list of notable Rule 5 picks, and then nobody else of note until George Bell 30 years later. Was it scaled back or something and then retooled in the interim?


It's been around for a long time and has always functioned in more or less the same way; the current incarnation has been around since 1959. In addition to Clemente, The Pirates acquired Dale Long in Rule 5 before the 1951 season, and Roy Face before the 1953 season. It was originally established - along with the Bonus Baby rule that required teams to keep players who received bonuses of at least $4000 on the major league roster for two full seasons - immediately after WWII as a way to prevent rich franchises from gobbling up players and stashing them in the minors.

-- MWE
   12. just plain joe Posted: December 10, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4321016)
The Rule 5 draft dates back to the early 1900's in one form or another. Steve Treder wrote an excellent series about this for "The Hardball Times" back in 2008. Among the players selected in this draft are Duffy Lewis, Bobo Newsom (twice), Hack Wilson and Moe Drabowsky (twice).
   13. WahooSam Posted: December 10, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4321175)
Anybody know the story on Art Griggs? He was pretty good when he played
   14. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: December 10, 2012 at 06:55 PM (#4321303)
Griggs played every day or thereabouts in the PCL for about 11 years and appears to have stayed on the West Coast after he retired. This is completely speculation, but maybe he didn't *want* to play in MLB.

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