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Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-12-2017

New York Sun, December 12, 1917:

Grover Cleveland Alexander, one of the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball, and William Killefer, catcher, yesterday were purchased by the Chicago club of the National League from the Philadelphia team of the same organization…From a source close to William F. Baker, president of the Philadelphia club, it was learned that $50,000 had changed hands in the deal. In addition to the cash consideration the Philadelphia club got Mike Prendergast, a pitcher, and William Dilhoefer, a catcher.

Philadelphia North American, December 12, 1917:

President Baker’s queer deal tends to confirm the impression that all good players sometime or other are shipped to New York or Chicago, and that the other cities are merely feeders for the two largest cities in America.

Plus ├ža change.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 12, 2017 at 10:27 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 12, 2017 at 10:30 AM (#5590697)
Not a deep Birthday Team today. The O-Dog, Stormin' Gorman, and a few pitchers. But then you're down to Ralph Garr and Phenomenal Smith.

C: Clyde Kluttz (5.31 WAR)
1B: Garrett Atkins (3.92 WAR)
2B: Orlando Hudson (30.92 WAR)
3B: Pedro Gonzalez (1.36 WAR)
SS: Pee-Wee Wanninger (-2.03 WAR)
LF: Ralph Garr (14.64 WAR)
CF: Gorman Thomas (19.7 WAR)
RF: Bill Howerton (3.2 WAR)

SP: Ervin Santana (26.9 WAR)
SP: Tully Sparks (20.71 WAR)
SP: Phenomenal Smith (7.53 WAR)
SP: Bob Carpenter (2.64 WAR)
SP: Luis Castillo (2.37 WAR)
RP: Steve Farr (18.36 WAR)

Fun names: Bugs Reisigl, Flea Clifton, Redleg Snyder, Mike Kickham
Not that one: Jim Brown
Not that one: Derrell Griffith
   2. KJOK Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5590752)
Negro Leaguer Charlie Blackwell would be an upgrade in RF:
Charlie Blackwell Stats at
   3. esseff Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:13 AM (#5590763)
Not that one: Jim Brown

Or even that one, as I discovered while trying to figure out why you wouldn't play 1940s Brown over Pedro Gonzalez.
   4. Batman Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5590772)
Ralph Garr stopped playing a little before I started watching, but I would have guessed he was a centerfielder. Nobody who saw Gorman Thomas or looked at his hitting and SB stats would have guessed he played center.
   5. Fat Al Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5590778)
Headley and Mitchell to Padres for Jabari Blash. SD taking all the salary.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5590780)
I would have thought Garrett Atkins had more than 3.92 WAR in his 2006 season alone, when he hit .329/.409/.556 in post-humidor Coors. And he did have 4.9 WAR that year, but ended up giving a lot of that back.
   7. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5590781)
As Jabari Blash's biggest fan - huh.
(Obviously, this deal has nothing to do w/ Mr. Blash.)
   8. Fat Al Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:34 AM (#5590787)
I guess salary dump by Yanks paired with SD being high on Mitchell. Seems kind of odd.

So maybe Frazier coming back.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2017 at 11:56 AM (#5590811)
I assume his clears room to bring back Frazier and Sabathia, and still stay under the cap.
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 12, 2017 at 12:17 PM (#5590831)
There's no way Blash makes the 25-man for the Yankees, right? They already have Judge and Giancarlo and Gardner and Hicks and Tacoby Bellsbury.

It's a shame Jabari wound up on a team full of outfielders.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2017 at 12:24 PM (#5590838)
It's a shame Jabari wound up on a team full of outfielders.

Don't worry, he'll be a FA soon.
   12. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 12, 2017 at 01:37 PM (#5590885)
Likely (or possibly swapped out for junk) - the contact issues are massive and he's error prone in the outfield corners.

That said - that combo of power, patience, and decent range / nice arm is one a rebuilding team could take a chance on (especially in a platoon).
   13. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 12, 2017 at 01:56 PM (#5590906)
Ryan Schimpf dealt to TB for peanuts.

We don't talk about his statline enough. Dude hit 14 homers and drew 27 walks in only 168 AB last year. He also managed 10 singles on the season. Ten. Even in El Paso he was below league average last season (thanks to hitting .202) and the defense is shaky ... but he's a reasonable pick to try in camp and see if you can catch lightning in a bottle.
   14. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 13, 2017 at 09:48 AM (#5591534)
In injured, talented starter news:
Michael Pineda to MIN, Drew Smyly to CHC (both deals reportedly 2/10m, w/ bonuses possible (Smyly #s are more credibly reported) - expect them to miss all or most '18 with TJS recovery).
   15. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:13 PM (#5591991)
In other low level transaction (my forte) news: the Chiba Lotte Marines signed Mike Bolsinger. He doesn't throw hard and his command seriously regressed last year (nibbling?) - but he generates strikeouts and gets grounders via a pair of often good secondary pitches (slider and curve) with an unusually small differential in speed from his fastball. I can't justify this empirically, but he seems like a guy who is more likely than most to find a gimmick or alternate approach to doing things that could give him sudden success + might be a true AAAA pitcher, where his stuff overwhelms less talented hitters but he hits a wall in the bigs (that might do well in NPB).
I'll be keeping an eye on him.

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