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Wednesday, December 18, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-18-2013

Toledo News-Bee, December 18, 1913:

Vean Gregg, pride of the Cleveland pitching corps, is wearing rubber heels and prowling around one big department store in Cleveland, doing the “Sherlock Holmes” act, to see that none of the fans do Christmas shopping early without paying for the goods.

From the perspective of 2013, it’s easy to think that Gregg, as a three-time 20 game winner, pitching ace of a good MLB team, and guy who once finished in the top ten in the balloting for the Chalmers Award, could relax all winter. As far as I can tell, though, his 1913 salary (in 2013 dollars) was around $80,000. He wouldn’t have starved without a second job, but he was hardly riding the gravy train down easy street.

Gregg had Santa’s brother to thank for his situation. Reserve Claus.

Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: December 18, 2013 at 06:37 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 18, 2013 at 06:59 AM (#4620049)
The shopper to watch out for in 1913 was Mordecai Brown and his "three finger discount."
   2. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: December 18, 2013 at 06:59 AM (#4620050)
A bunch of interesting stuff on the linked newspaper page. Larry McLean tells the Federal League that he won't jump because the offered $10,000 won't last him through the night, Ted Cather (allegedly) unsuccessfully tries to abduct his son during a messy divorce, and Ed Konetchy was once a marshmallow designer in a candy factory.

Also, primey to #1.
   3. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: December 18, 2013 at 07:01 AM (#4620051)
Today's center fielder can hit anything: Fastballs, curveballs, spitballs, guys with no hands...

C: Dave Oldfield
1B: Bill Skowron
2B: Joe Randa
3B: Roy Howell
SS: Zoilo Versalles
LF: Gino Cimoli
CF/Manager: Ty Cobb
RF: Lance Richbourg

SP: Jim Clancy
SP: Willie Blair
SP: Dick Coffman
SP: Scott Bailes
SP: Jose Acevedo
RP: Lance Carter

Umpire: Drew Coble
Fun Names: Jim Czajkowski, Coaker Triplett
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2013 at 10:15 AM (#4620077)
Minor league deals

CLE - C Matt Treanor
MIN - P Yohan Pino
SDP - IF Alberto Gonzalez
TOR - IF Steve Tolleson

And BOS signs Japanese 37 year old submariner Shunsuke Watanabe. Check out his delivery here.
   5. BDC Posted: December 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4620090)
Joe Randa had a very creditable career, 8-9 years playing every day despite never being much above league average (0.8 WAA for a career of 1,500 games). He is 55th all-time in games played at third base, despite never making an All-Star team: a much higher total (1,362 GP) than lots of All-Stars.
   6. JJ1986 Posted: December 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM (#4620157)
Pirates add a bunch of minor league free agents including Travis Ishikawa, Adam Wilk, Dan Schlereth and Kyle McPheron.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2013 at 01:05 PM (#4620179)
I liked Wilk when he was with the Tigers. How did he do in Korea?

Raul Ibanez to LAA for 1/$2.75 + incentives

Benoit to SDP for 2/$15.5
   8. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: December 18, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4620182)
I liked Wilk when he was with the Tigers. How did he do in Korea?
Not terribly well, it appears. He was 4-8, 4.12 when they sent him home with a sore shoulder.
   9. Danko Posted: December 18, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4620195)
Joe Randa had a very creditable career, 8-9 years playing every day despite never being much above league average (0.8 WAA for a career of 1,500 games).

No kidding. When Randa was active, he was averageness personified. Average defender. Average bat. Playing dead smack in the middle of the defensive spectrum. I don't know if there's ever been a player who seemed so average for so long as Joe Randa. And that means that, in aggregate, he had a hell of a career.
   10. esseff Posted: December 18, 2013 at 01:41 PM (#4620203)
Fun Names: ... Coaker Triplett


Fun name and platoon partner for rookie left fielder Stan Musial in 1942.
   11. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 18, 2013 at 02:20 PM (#4620228)
Average, perhaps. However, like so many players of the Littlefield era, Randa with the Pirates was one of the worst players in Pirate history.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4620233)
Drew Stubbs dealt to Colorado. No word on the return

Casey McGehee signs a 1 year deal with the Marlins.

PHI signs minor league deals with P Sean O'Sullivan, OF Dave Sappelt, OF Tony Gwynn Jr. and C Lou Marson
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2013 at 02:54 PM (#4620243)
Rox give up Josh Outman for Stubbs and also swap IF Jonathan Herrera to Boston for P Franklin Morales
   14. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: December 18, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4620258)
Drew Stubbs dealt to Colorado
Great trade! What did we get?

(Outman, I see. I like it.)
   15. JJ1986 Posted: December 18, 2013 at 03:56 PM (#4620323)
Braves 'close' to acquiring Ryan Doumit per Jeff Passan.
   16. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: December 18, 2013 at 04:12 PM (#4620345)
For Gilmartin.

D-backs to sign Eric Chavez.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2013 at 04:22 PM (#4620350)
Doesn't Gattis do what Doumit does kinda? I know Gilmartin had a down year, but he was considered a pretty good prospect a year ago. Seems like a great haul for a guy that has been about a 1 WAR player.
   18. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: December 18, 2013 at 04:24 PM (#4620352)
Doumit has more patience, Gattis more raw pop, could function as a no glove platoon ... though we have Laird as well.

Nice haul for the Twins.
   19. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 18, 2013 at 05:17 PM (#4620388)
The Pirates went to Kansas City in June of 2006, and on mlb.tv the Kansas City announcers were openly talking about how he was retiring at the end of the season. Pittsburgh media never seemed to learn that for the rest of the season.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2013 at 05:21 PM (#4620389)
The Pirates went to Kansas City in June of 2006, and on mlb.tv the Kansas City announcers were openly talking about how he was retiring at the end of the season. Pittsburgh media never seemed to learn that for the rest of the season.


He was a fan favorite and has settled down in the area. If he wanted to, I'm sure he could probably be the color analyst and be hugely popular, especially if he replaced Rexy Hudler. But I think he has young kids - I've heard he has some sort of elite baseball team with Trent Green.

He was one of my favorite Royals. Good gap power, dependable defender, always smiling at the plate.
   21. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 18, 2013 at 05:40 PM (#4620414)
Royals trade David Lough to the Orioles for Danny Valencia. Lough led all AL Rookies in WAR with 2.7 (in 96 games). This is a slick move on the Orioles' part.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4620432)
I like the move for the Royals too. Lough is nice I guess, but I don't believe the defensive stats for him so he's a good candidate to regress. The Royals had a logjam in the outfield and Lough is out of options, so it makes sense to deal him.

Valencia seems like a nice pickup - he can mash lefties, so platooning him with Moustakas makes sense. I just don't see a spot for him on the active roster, and he's out of options too. With a bench of Brett Hayes, Emilio Bonifacio, Jarod Dyson, and Justin Maxwell, that doesn't leave any room for a backup 3B.
   23. puck Posted: December 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM (#4620592)
Great trade! What did we get?

(Outman, I see. I like it.)

Similar trade for both sides, I guess. Outman was fairly useless. Good pitcher's name, though.

As for Stubbs, uh, did anyone ever establish that Coors is good for hitters that strike out all the time and don't walk much? He makes Fowler look like a contact hitter.

   24. puck Posted: December 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4620606)
Rox give up Josh Outman for Stubbs and also swap IF Jonathan Herrera to Boston for P Franklin Morales


These moves strike me as rearranging deck chairs on the Coorstanic.

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