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Wednesday, December 19, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-19-2012

Honus Wagner quoted in the Toledo News-Bee, December 19, 1912:

Jake Beckley...tried to work the old hidden ball trick on me a half dozen times, or that’s what I thought he was trying to do. He would stick the ball under his arm right before my eyes.

“‘Jake,’ I said to him one day, ‘there’s no use trying that old one on me.’ He didn’t pay any attention to what I said, and I grabbed the ball from under his arm and threw it into right field, and then cut loose for second base.

“The second baseman had the ball waiting for me. Jake had used a phoney ball to deceive me.”

Somewhere, Dave Bresnahan is furiously scribbling notes.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 19, 2012 at 06:17 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, history, honus wagner, jake beckley

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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 19, 2012 at 06:27 AM (#4328322)
No superstars on the pitching staff of today's Birthday Team, but that's a pretty reasonable set of arms.

C: Tom Wilson
1B: Russell Branyan
2B: Tony Taylor
3B: Wally Gilbert
SS: Mickey Witek
LF: Tommy O'Brien
CF: Al Kaline
RF: Walt Williams

SP: Geoff Zahn
SP: Bill Wegman
SP: Ian Kennedy
SP: Rex Barney
SP: Jose Silva
RP: Rafael Soriano
RP: Mike Fetters

Commissioner: Ford Frick
Scout: Paul Krichell
MLB Twins: Stan Cliburn and Stew Cliburn
Six home runs in one college game: Marshall McDougall
   2. What Zupcic? Posted: December 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4328434)
Not sure if you're tracking these as you do them but do you remember what day has the best team so far?
   3. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: December 19, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4328496)
As noted at THT, today marks 30 years since the signing of a player on the HoF ballot. Can you figure out which one before clicking on the link?

By signing, I mean his initial pro contract, not a mid-career free agent signing.
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 19, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4328675)
Not sure if you're tracking these as you do them but do you remember what day has the best team so far?
I don't off the top of my head. November 26 and April 2 are memorably good, though. February 6 has a guy (G.H. Ruth) who's both a good ace starter and a reasonably decent hitter.

Several Dugout regulars and I are compiling 25-man rosters for all 365 days, which will be used to play a Birthday League. There's no particular team I expect to win it all.
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 19, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4328692)
1982 ... my guess is Riger Cemens.
   6. Brian Posted: December 19, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4328750)
Edgar?
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 19, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4328767)
I'd guess Edgar or Sammy, simply because they wouldn't have been drafted.
Most drafted players back then would have signed before late December, so it would be someone signed as a teenager from one of the islands.

Sammy would have been pretty young (16?) and Edgar would have been about right (18?).

I'm going to guess Sammy Sosa.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 19, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4328787)
Clemens was a big college star with a gigantic ego, I would imagine he held out as long as possible before the signing deadline. Of course I don't know what the deadline was back then, or indeed what it is now.
   9. JJ1986 Posted: December 19, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4328795)
I believe Clemens was drafted in 1983.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: December 19, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4328859)
The signing deadline back then was the next draft and you just went back into the pool. See JD Drew and a handful of others. The signing deadline is a fairly recent invention (partly due to JD Drew). It got moved up quite aggressively in the last CBA I think.

It was pretty common for guys to not sign until 6 months or so later -- e.g. Prior. Sometimes this was due to contentious negotiations but it seemed to happen often with pitchers suggesting it was just a way to give their arm time to rest without starting the minor-league service clock. I suppose it also made sense if the player was going to get a major-league contract.
   11. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: December 19, 2012 at 05:16 PM (#4328939)
Anyone know why Jim McGlothlin died so damn young?

EDITED: nevermind - found out. Leukemia.
   12. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 19, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4328950)
Kendrys Morales to Seattle for Jason Vargas.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 19, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4328956)
I don't get the need to get a sixth starter in return for Morales, but overall it seems like a fair swap.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 19, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4328960)
Hey, Vargas may have been a sixth starter on the Angels, but now that he's on the Mariners ... oh wait.

Morales instantly becomes the Mariners' best hitter by a huge margin. Except of course John Jaso.

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