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Friday, December 01, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-1-2017

New York Tribune, December 1, 1917:

Ed Bang, the well-known baseball critic, of Cleveland, advocates as a solution of existing major league troubles a merger of the National and American circuits.
...
The proposition contemplates one club for each of the following cities: New York, Chicago, Boston, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, and St. Louis.

That is the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life, Ed.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 10:39 AM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 10:41 AM (#5584017)
A good Birthday Team today. It's admittedly weird to have one of the best defensive outfielders of his generation playing first base, but there weren't any other reasonable choices.

C: Jeff Tackett (0.59 WAR)
1B: Larry Walker (72.6 WAR)
2B: Javier Baez (5.78 WAR)
3B: Cookie Lavagetto (11.2 WAR)
SS: Marty Marion (31.58 WAR)
LF: George Foster (43.93 WAR)
CF: Reggie Sanders (39.63 WAR)
RF: Ed Coleman (3.48 WAR)

SP: Ed Reulbach (36.57 WAR)
SP: Kirk Rueter (16.67 WAR)
SP: Willie Mitchell (14.61 WAR)
SP: The Other Greg Harris (12.99 WAR)
SP: Dan Schatzeder (10.21 WAR)
RP: Cal McLish (8.43 WAR)
RP: Greg McMichael (6.84 WAR)

Manager: Walter Alston
Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame Pitcher: Hiroshi Nakao
Convicted murderer: Julio Machado (2.64 WAR)
Fun names: Lefty Sloat, Charlie High
Not that one: George Fox
Not that one: Matt Broderick
Pro Football Hall of Famer: Red Badgro (-1.1 WAR)
   2. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:15 AM (#5584060)
From Twitter yesterday: "Quote tweet with your most irrelevant connection to an MLB player".

"Most" is a tie:
A former co-worker was college roommate of Jeff Jones.
Brad Komminsk's dad sold products (extended warranties, credit insurance) to my previous car dealership.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:18 AM (#5584063)
A good friend of mine is Shawn Green's cousin.
   4. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:19 AM (#5584064)
My wife tutored Jeff Ballard in differential equations at Stanford.
   5. Batman Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5584068)
A good friend of mine got in a car accident with Dan Pasqua.
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:25 AM (#5584071)
My most irrelevant connection to any professional athlete is that I once bought a couch at a yard sale from Tom Newberry
   7. BDC Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:31 AM (#5584080)
Brad Arnsberg once called my office looking for information on taking courses for transfer credit.
   8. crict Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:33 AM (#5584083)
I didn't see a link: Gregg Zaun fired as Blue Jays analyst for inappropriate behavior with female employees.
   9. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:34 AM (#5584084)
Education time:

Ila Borders (for those of you who have short memories, she was the first woman to start a game in a men's professional baseball league) was interviewed today, and the interviewer tossed her this question:

Why is it so important to play baseball when you have softball?

Her response:

What if you told Serena Williams when she was just about to go pro, that she could no longer play tennis and had to go play racquetball. Nothing against racquetball, a lot of people love that sport. It has a ball, racquet and you hit it, but it is very different from tennis. It is the same thing with baseball and softball. Similar things involved but very different sports.

The interviewer's reaction: I never saw it that way.

-- MWE
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:41 AM (#5584094)
I had a Little League coach who claimed to be Jim Coates but almost certainly wasn't, for a bunch of reasons.
   11. Man o' Schwar Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5584098)
My 9th grade English teacher was the daughter of Lon Warneke.
   12. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:50 AM (#5584107)
Not MLB, but in college, I sprained my ankle, badly, while playing a game of horse with future Seahawks linebacker Michael Jackson. He helped carry me to the training room to get treatment.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:53 AM (#5584109)
In college, I sprained my ankle, badly, while playing a game of horse

How the hell does one sprain one's ankle badly playing HORSE?
   14. PreservedFish Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:55 AM (#5584112)
"First you run suicides for 30 seconds, then no-look, behind the back, nothing but net."

or

"Make a free throw while future Seahawks linebacker Michael Jackson attempts to tackle you."
   15. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: December 01, 2017 at 11:59 AM (#5584118)
I have a bunch of tangential relations to athletes, but my favorite is my brother taught Jerry Rice to swim (yes while he was an active NFL wide receiver) in Jerry Rice's home pool.
   16. VCar Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:06 PM (#5584131)
Jeff Tackett had almost as much war acting in the movie "Dave" as he did catching in MLB.
   17. RJ in TO Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:11 PM (#5584137)
How the hell does one sprain one's ankle badly playing HORSE?
He was the back half, and tripped in a gopher hole.
   18. Batman Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:17 PM (#5584149)
Cole Ford, future NFL kicker and attempted murderer of Siegfried & Roy, bought me beer in college when I was 17.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:25 PM (#5584158)
Not MLB, but in college, I sprained my ankle, badly, while playing a game of horse with future Seahawks linebacker Michael Jackson.
Run up the court, don't stop 'til you get enough, turn around and shoot.
   20. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:27 PM (#5584161)
I work with this guy, who, in Clearwater in 1989, was teammates with Mickey Morandini.

Also, this guy is my mom's first cousin, and was the Cincinnati area player of the year ahead of Ron Oester in high school

   21. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5584180)
I played in a pickup soccer game when I was a college student at Bowling Green. The goalie on the other team made a couple of ridiculous saves and my team couldn't score. I found out later that the other team's goalie was Scott Vallow, a two-time All American who eventually played in MLS.

Also, I played in a media soccer game in the week before the 2000 MLS All-Star Game in Columbus. Alexi Lalas scored a goal from about 60 yards out.
   22. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:44 PM (#5584188)
I played in a pickup soccer game when I was a college student at Bowling Green.
To bring this full circle, BGSU is where Jeff Jones played, at about the same time as Orel Hershiser, Roger McDowell, and my buddy (they didn't all pitch at the same time, the other three crossed baseball paths with my buddy).
   23. esseff Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5584199)
In college, I sprained my ankle, badly, while playing a game of horse


How the hell does one sprain one's ankle badly playing HORSE?


I'm buying it because I once broke my leg while playing catch.
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: December 01, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5584202)
most irrelevant connection to an MLB player
I once saw Vincente Padilla's bright orange Lamborghini parked on the street in my part of Boston.
   25. Mike Webber Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:06 PM (#5584211)
I rode in a van with Connie Johnson to the SABR convention in Louisville in June of 1997.
   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5584212)
In college one year, I lived in the same dorm as Bob Kipper's brother.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5584213)
I'm buying it because I once broke my leg while playing catch.

We aren't exactly dispelling the stereotype around here, are we?
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5584220)
RP: Cal McLish (8.43 WAR)

And come on, you have to list the guy's full name.
   29. Ken Griffey Junior Bacon Cheeseburger Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:13 PM (#5584223)
I once sold a can of tennis balls to Jose Cruz Jr.
   30. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:20 PM (#5584235)
Paul Bako's son goes to the same school and are in the same class as my daughters. He took one of them to a dance last year.
   31. Man o' Schwar Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:25 PM (#5584244)
Paul Bako's son goes to the same school and are in the same class as my daughters. He took one of them to a dance last year.

I'm not sure I'd want my daughter dating Paul Bako. Henry Blanco, maybe.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5584250)
I'm not sure I'd want my daughter dating Paul Bako. Henry Blanco, maybe.

I'd take either over Roy Moore though.
   33. QLE Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:44 PM (#5584267)
My father faced off against Dusty Baker's brother at high-school football, without much success.
   34. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:46 PM (#5584274)
I'm buying it because I once broke my leg while playing catch.


I badly sprained my ankle walking back to short after making a play during infield. It was career-ending, in that I didn't go out for baseball the next year.

I shared the same elevator with Lynn Swann and Franco Harris, at different times.
   35. Batman Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:46 PM (#5584275)
I built a garage for the father of minor league player and manager Sal Rende. He gave me a set of Omaha Royals baseball cards, including Kevin Appier's.
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:48 PM (#5584278)
I built a garage for the father of minor league player and manager Sal Rende. He gave me a set of Omaha Royals baseball cards, including Kevin Appier's.

I think you need to reconsider your pricing structure.
   37. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:49 PM (#5584279)
Reminder: the Chico Convergence starts on Sunday. Remember to turn your clocks sideways.
   38. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:53 PM (#5584287)
In college one year, I lived in the same dorm as Bob Kipper's brother.


In college, I lived in apartment directly below Jack Trudeau. My roomate and I used to play pickup basketball with him and his roomate (a third string receiver) at the park next door. One day in late 1983, just before Christmnas break (and about 2 weeks befotre the 1984 Rose Bowl, Jack was racing down the stairs, and as he was passing my door, I opened it, hit him, and nearly knocked him down the next flight. If he had fallen and was injured as a result, I would have had to transfer immediately, and probably go into witness protection.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 01:58 PM (#5584291)
In college, I lived in apartment directly below Jack Trudeau.

Ah, Champaign-Urbana stories. Was this at the Blue Balconies, the Green Balconies, where?
   40. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:04 PM (#5584295)
Ah, Champaign-Urbana stories. Was this at the Blue Balconies, the Green Balconies, where?


It was an off campus apartment about 3 blocks north of Papa Dels
   41. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:14 PM (#5584306)
It was an off campus apartment about 3 blocks north of Papa Dels

Like between Springfield and University, across from the big park with the Boneyard going through it?
   42. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:17 PM (#5584309)
Yes.
   43. jacjacatk Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:19 PM (#5584313)
From Twitter yesterday: "Quote tweet with your most irrelevant connection to an MLB player".

One of my son's college coaches earned a WS ring from the '08 Phillies, but neither he nor I had ever heard of him prior to their meeting (and we're pretty rabid Phillies fans). T.J. Bohn
   44. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5584317)
My sister once told me that Terry Burrows once drunkenly proposed to her.

I went to high school with Pat Rapp, hence my handle here. He was a year ahead of me, but his wife (well, his girlfriend at the time.... now his wife) was my in graduating class.
   45. Rally Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:45 PM (#5584331)
The guy who sold me my windows played high school baseball with Phil Garner.

My grandmother's doctor was Mark Lemke's sister.

I once flew out west and the flight attendant was Andre Ethier's mother.
   46. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:53 PM (#5584337)
How the hell does one sprain one's ankle badly playing HORSE?


It was a temporary court several inches above the main floor. I managed to go off the end of it, and get my foot wedged under the temporary floor. I'm still not sure how.

I also got hit by a pitch from future Raiders quarterback Marc Wilson in a high school baseball game. It hurt, but I didn't get injured...
   47. Batman Posted: December 01, 2017 at 02:59 PM (#5584344)
My sister once told me that Terry Burrows once drunkenly proposed to her.
A friend of mine said she got drunk at the wedding of somebody who was connected to the Indians and started writing $1 million checks to anybody who would marry her. She said that Jim Thome and Mike Hargrove politely tried to get her to sit down and drink some water but that Jeff Newman seemed interested. Her dad actually was wealthy. I doubt he kept a million dollars in a checking account, but there's a chance those checks were good.
   48. KJOK Posted: December 01, 2017 at 03:07 PM (#5584351)
One of my best friends in grade school primary babysitter was Nelson Briles and his wife.

   49. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: December 01, 2017 at 03:16 PM (#5584360)
I was an assistant coach for an AAU basketball team where one of the kids was friends with a kid (not in said league) named Josh, who grew up to be future AL MVP Josh Hamilton.
   50. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 01, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5584367)
I hung out at Disneyland with Del Unser's brother Larry...when I was 9.
   51. jacjacatk Posted: December 01, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5584380)
I almost forgot, my wife actually teaches with Marlon Anderson's wife, and she got a signed game-used bat from her in a white elephant exchange last year (apparently after I proved my bona fides as a Phillies fan by knowing who Marlon Anderson was).

Also, I fixed Fred McGriff's laptop once, in a previous life where I worked for Computer City.
   52. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 01, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5584520)
Also, I fixed Fred McGriff's laptop once, in a previous life where I worked for Computer City.


Please tell me it was filled with instructional baseball videos.
   53. AndrewJ Posted: December 01, 2017 at 07:40 PM (#5584550)
Dutch Dotterer owned a used bookstore on the northside of his native Syracuse in the early 1990s, where he sold me the three hardcover Fireside Books of Baseball for $45 total.

And Mickey Vernon asked me to take a photo of him and his lunch companions at a SABR regional in Philly about 15 years ago.
   54. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 01, 2017 at 09:23 PM (#5584585)
When I was little, we lived next door to Pete Rose's alleged cousin. Rose was in the minors at the time, we lived near Western Hills High where Pete went (people didn't move very far from family in Cincy in those days), and the neighbors were obnoxious, so I'm buying it.
At the same time, my best friend's brother was batboy for the Reds and gave me a Frank Thomas bat.
After we moved to Philly, that best friend became clubhouse boy for the Reds in the late 60s. He told me Vada Pinson was not very nice to him, but Bench and Rose were.

My cousin married the daughter of the tailor used by a lot of the Reds. This was Big Red Machine time, Morgan, Bench, Rose and Concepcion stopped by for a few minutes at the reception but I didn't meet them.

In my college days, a co-worker claimed to have delivered pot to Willie Montanez.

Around that time I knew Bobby Shantz's son slightly, who was a friend of a good friend. We stopped by his house briefly and we all greeted Bobby Sr. in passing.
   55. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: December 02, 2017 at 05:49 PM (#5584933)
My older brother played Little League with Pat Sheridan -- and my brother was considered the better player (at age 11, anyway).
   56. Meatwad Posted: December 02, 2017 at 11:36 PM (#5585005)
A friend from college played HS football against smardjza (i give up) said he was a dick back than
   57. CraigK Posted: December 03, 2017 at 12:11 AM (#5585015)
My mother's roomate in her mid 20s dated Will Clark and while the two of them were gone he helped himself to my mother's 12 pack of beer.
   58. AndrewJ Posted: December 03, 2017 at 09:03 AM (#5585042)
Mu uncle Frank and Herb Score played on the same Little League team, albeit several years apart.

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