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Friday, December 20, 2013

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-20-2013

Toledo News-Bee, December 20, 1913:

CHICAGO, Dec. 20—“What is your batting average?” inquired Judge Sullivan of Charles Schramm, 30, who claims to be a shortstop in the Southern league when Schramm was arraigned on the charge of stealing an overcoat.

“Two hundred and eighty-seven,” answered Schramm.

“Discharged,” said the court. “You can’t be very bad with a batting average like that.”

Ron LeFlore was a career .2878 hitter and convicted of armed robbery. So, y’know…

Also, there’s no evidence of Charles Schramm playing shortstop anywhere in organized baseball. Nobody named Schramm, Schram, or Shram was active in 1913. A guy named Chuck Schramm played for Fond du Lac in 1940, but he hadn’t even been born yet when this article was written.

Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: December 20, 2013 at 06:40 AM | 36 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: December 20, 2013 at 06:43 AM (#4621514)
That's a pretty darn good Birthday Team. They even have a high-end Primate.

C: Gabby Hartnett
1B: Cecil Cooper
2B: Jimmy Williams
3B: David Wright
SS: Augie Ojeda
LF: Harry Stovey
CF: David DeJesus
RF: Aubrey Huff

SP: James Shields
SP: Jose DeLeon
SP: George Pipgras
SP: Bill Laskey
SP: Paul Moskau
RP/RF/1B: Jack Manning

Manager/GM: Branch Rickey
Cool names: Snooks Dowd and Ham Wade
Primate: Mike Emeigh
   2. BDC Posted: December 20, 2013 at 09:37 AM (#4621540)
George Pipgras is sort of the archetypal Yankee pitcher: career of modest length (at least as a regular in the majors), 102 wins, .583 winning percentage, but only around league average in ERA. You'd say he was just along for the ride, but he was a decent pitcher, for sure, and the Yankee offense made him look like a star. 3-0 in three starts in three different World Series.
   3. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 20, 2013 at 10:38 AM (#4621565)
A guy named Chuck Schramm played for Fond du Lac in 1940, but he hadn’t even been born yet when this article was written.
So you're saying he has no alibi for the day the overcoat was stolen.
   4. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: December 20, 2013 at 10:43 AM (#4621568)
Harry Stovey was the first player in baseball history to hit 100 home runs, which is the sort of trivia question I'm surprised I haven't heard before.
   5. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4621579)
In 1955, Ted Williams was the active HR leader with 394 (his career total following the 1955 season). Since then, the active leader has been below 400 only 1 time. Who was it?
   6. BDC Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:08 AM (#4621585)
Wow, that's a hard one. I guessed McCovey, but I was off by over 90 HR. (After Aaron retired, McCovey became the leader, but with nearly 500 at that point.)
   7. JJ1986 Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4621586)
I'm going to guess it was after Schmidt retired. Maybe Eddie Murray?
   8. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: December 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM (#4621623)
kurt suzuki to MIN. 1 yr/2.75m + incentives
   9. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: December 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM (#4621679)
yamaico navarro rumored to be going to korea (instead of staying on a minor league deal with the yanks). kind of a bummer if you're into ken phelps types - he might be as close as we've got to that in the infield in the more efficient free agent market of the mid-10s.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:01 PM (#4621688)
In 1955, Ted Williams was the active HR leader with 394 (his career total following the 1955 season). Since then, the active leader has been below 400 only 1 time. Who was it?


I'll guess Mantle after Williams retired in 1960.

edit: I looked it up, and I was wrong. Mantle was under 400 at the time, but not the active leader.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:07 PM (#4621693)
Which former World Series participant was the last active leader in doubles to be below 500? It happened in the ensuing years after the retirement of a 700+ doubles guy.
   12. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4621694)

Yeah, it's Murray. Well, Murray an Dwight Evans, tied with 379 after the 1990 season. In 1991, Dave Winfield took over with 406. Murray is the only post-1900 player to have the lead, lose it, and then regain it. He was the active leader in 1990, and then again from 1995-1997.
   13. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4621703)
BTW, the way BBREF treats "active" is based on when the player retires for good. Sam Thompson was the active leader with 126 from 1898 (when he hit his last HR) through 1906 when he came out of retirement to play a few games. If Bonds were to come out of retirement and play one game next year, he would become the active leader from 2002 through 2014.
   14. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4621705)
#11 Paul Molitor?
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4621709)
Nope
   16. salvomania Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:24 PM (#4621712)
Yeah, it's Murray. Well, Murray an Dwight Evans, tied with 379 after the 1990 season.


I would say Evans, who was at 370 the day after Schmidt retired.

Dave Winfield and Dale Murphy were next with the most homers, tied at 361, and Murray had 358.
   17. salvomania Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:34 PM (#4621721)
Which former World Series participant was the last active leader in doubles to be below 500? It happened in the ensuing years after the retirement of a 700+ doubles guy.

There was guy still playing after Pete Rose's last game who had more doubles than any other active player at the time, but I don't think he's the answer you're looking for. I think the guy you're looking for was a teammate of this guy... in fact, all three (this guy, the answer you're looking for, and Rose) were teammates at the same time.
   18. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:41 PM (#4621728)
in fact, all three (this guy, the answer you're looking for, and Rose) were teammates at the same time.


No they weren't. The answer he's looking for was never a teammate of Rose or Perez.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4621731)
There was guy still playing after Pete Rose's last game who had more doubles than any other active player at the time, but I don't think he's the answer you're looking for. I think the guy you're looking for was a teammate of this guy... in fact, all three (this guy, the answer you're looking for, and Rose) were teammates at the same time.


Hal Mcrae was a former Rose teammate who was an active leader in doubles with under 500 after Rose retired - but there was someone after him (who had never been teammates with Rose).
   20. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 20, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4621739)
Buckner?
   21. salvomania Posted: December 20, 2013 at 02:16 PM (#4621765)
No they weren't. The answer he's looking for was never a teammate of Rose or Perez.


Sorry, misread the question as being "who was" the active leader after the guy with 700+ retired.

George Brett?
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2013 at 02:20 PM (#4621768)
Buckner?


Correct. nice work
   23. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: December 20, 2013 at 02:24 PM (#4621773)
OK, who were the only 2 active doubles leaders since the 1880's to be below 400? They are both HOFers, came in consecutive years, and immediately followed the retirement of a 700+ doubles guy.
   24. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 20, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4621780)
Rickey was the active leader in steals for 19 years. That's longer than the MLB careers of 2/3 of the players in the HOF.
   25. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4621812)
Rickey was the active leader in steals for 19 years. That's longer than the MLB careers of 2/3 of the players in the HOF.


Not quite. He passed Brock in 1991, and played through 2003.
   26. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4621813)
Active leader, not career leader.
   27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:17 PM (#4621819)
Active leader, not career leader.


Yeah, that just dawned on me.
   28. Nasty Nate Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4621823)
Becoming the career leader in a category with 12 years left to play in your career is still mighty impressive.
   29. Morty Causa Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:22 PM (#4621825)
Again, why isn't Harry Stovey in the HOF?
   30. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4621828)
Becoming the career leader in a category with 12 years left to play in your career is still mighty impressive.


Babe Ruth became the career leader in HR during the 1921 season, and retired after the 1935 season as the career leader (15 seasons).
   31. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 20, 2013 at 03:36 PM (#4621840)
why isn't Harry Stovey in the HOF?


Stovey's prime was mostly in the American Association, which was widely considered to be an inferior league. The only player who has ever been inducted into the Hall of Fame who played most of his prime in the AA is Bid McPhee - and McPhee (a) had an equally productive career in the NL and (b) wasn't inducted into the HoF until 2000 anyway.

-- MWE
   32. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: December 20, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4621882)
McPhee had some historical significance too, right? Last player to play defense without a glove or something like that?
   33. JJ1986 Posted: December 21, 2013 at 01:21 PM (#4622153)
Rangers get Choo. 7-years, no report on the money yet.
   34. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 21, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4622170)
Ron LeFlore was a career .2878 hitter and convicted of armed robbery. So, y’know…


Racial disparities in sentencing are a well-documented phenomenon.
   35. Eddo Posted: December 21, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4622180)
Becoming the career leader in a category with 12 years left to play in your career is still mighty impressive.

Different sport, but Jerry Rice broke both the career and single-season receiving yards records in the same season.
   36. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: December 21, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4622218)
32 on McPhee - yup.

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