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Monday, December 03, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-3-2012

New York Evening World, December 3, 1912:

Tutoring the scions of American multi-millionaires bids fair to become a lucrative field of endeavor for big league baseball stars. The first to take up the work is Mordecai Brown, hero of a thousand pitching battles in the National League. His pupil is Fowler McCormick, fifteen years old, son of Harold F. McCormick, and grandson of John D. Rockefeller…It is the ambition of the lad’s father to see his son pitch a Princeton nine to victory over Harvard and Yale.

It’s unclear whether he played baseball, but the younger McCormick did go to Princeton. To be fair, though, the admission standards at Princeton are probably something like “Does he have a pulse?” when the student in question is part of the Rockefeller family, and when that family is in the process of donating an art museum to the University.

The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 07:07 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 07:09 AM (#4315000)
In the history of Major League Baseball, there have been two players with the last name Dolan. Both were nicknamed "Cozy". This appears to have been a common practice back in the day; if there was a well-known player with a widely-used nickname and another player with the same (or a similar) surname made it to the big leagues, they'd give him the same nickname. The instance that immediately springs to mind is Topsy Hartsel and Topsy Hartzell, though I'm fairly sure it happened on other occasions too.

C: Clay Dalrymple
1B: Harry Simpson
2B: Chico Salmon
3B: Wayne Garrett
SS: Steve Huntz
LF: Darryl Hamilton
CF/Manager: Joe Birmingham
RF: Cozy Dolan

SP: Paul Byrd
SP: Gene Nelson
SP: Walt Dickson
SP: Charlie Wagner
SP: Chad Durbin
RP: Manuel Corpas

Fun Names: Lafayette Currence, Hooks Iott
Designated Australian: Chris Snelling
Suffered Career-Ending Injury In Train Crash: Louis Drucke
   2. Sweatpants Posted: December 03, 2012 at 07:15 AM (#4315002)
Socks Seybold and Socks Seibold are/is another example of the nicknaming practice.
   3. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4315077)
Baseball-only TDiH at THT noting that today is 50,000 days since the birth of Elmer Flick.

Also, I have an article up: ....If there had been no PED scandal which looks at how the upcoming HoF vote might've played out differently. It also gives me a chance to say various things about various players on the ballot.
   4. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4315087)
g. soto staying in texas for a yr.
loney to tb for 2m + 1m in incentives.
   5. GregD Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4315102)
   6. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4315103)
jason marquis to sd
   7. Chris Fluit Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4315138)
The two Dutch Leonards are at the top of the list of carbon copy nicknames.
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4315142)
Does anyone here happen to have the keys to Primate Studies? I have something I'd like to post there if possible.
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4315188)
The instance that immediately springs to mind is Topsy Hartsel and Topsy Hartzell, though I'm fairly sure it happened on other occasions too.

It happened with Kaiser Wilhelm though I'm not sure whether it was the ballplayer or the emperor who came first.
   10. AndrewJ Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4315220)
Kaiser Wilhelm of WWI fame (and Queen Victoria's grandson): 1859-1941

Kaiser Wilhelm, Pirates pitcher: 1877-1936
   11. esseff Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4315250)
Dusty Rhodes, Dusty Rhodes, Dusty Rhodes and Dusty Rhoads
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4315262)
A different version of this would be the Tito Franconas.

I hope it doesn't happen with Sliding Billy, though a similar nickname would be a nice touch.

   13. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4315278)
I do this in my own private universe. For instance, I called obscure '90s Blue Jays utility player Felipe Crespo "Creepy", after obscure WWII-era Cardinals second baseman "Creepy" Crespi.

I will say, though, that it does work a lot better with guys a half-century apart. Doing it with contemporaries is hella
confusing.
   14. salvomania Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4315298)
Were both Sam Jones known as "Sad Sam"?

Bob Gibson was called "Hoot" after the cowboy actor and rodeo star.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4315321)
I do this in my own private universe. For instance, I called obscure '90s Blue Jays utility player Felipe Crespo "Creepy", after obscure WWII-era Cardinals second baseman "Creepy" Crespi.


I did this in college, when I referred to the genial Andy Roberts as Bip. Seeing as the original was mostly just a San Diego farmhand at the time, no one knew where the name came from.
   16. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4315335)
I would like it if every player named Walker was nicknamed after Harry "The Hat" Walker.

Todd "The Hat" Walker
Greg "The Hat" Walker
Larry "America's Hat" Walker
   17. Cris E Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4315347)
So if you see one guy named Robert Miller that everyone calls Bob and then you see another guy named Robert Miller and you decide to call him Bob too that's just crazy am I doing this right?
   18. Cris E Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4315351)
The next Al Hrabosky better be Hungarian...
   19. GregD Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4315374)
I would like it if every player named Walker was nicknamed after Harry "The Hat" Walker.

Todd "The Hat" Walker
Greg "The Hat" Walker
Larry "America's Hat" Walker
Scott "Ass Hat" Walker
   20. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4315422)
"Ken" Griffey and "Ken" Griffey Jr.
   21. JJ1986 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4315427)
"Ken" Griffey Jr.


Was it Ichiro who referred to him as "George"?
   22. Ned Garvin: Male Prostitute Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4315523)
The 1st Sam Jones was Sad Sam. The 2nd one was Toothpick Sam. Toothpick Sam Jones also surprised me by being black - this was a surprise when I learned it AFTER seeing his picture numerous times.
   23. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4315558)
Does anyone here happen to have the keys to Primate Studies?


Email me through the site.

-- MWE
   24. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4315572)
Creepy Crespo got some online traction - I know I picked it up from somewhere (Bpro? usenet?).
   25. SouthSideRyan Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4315581)
   26. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4315587)
Darn, I was sooooo rooting for Sarge Matthews to move.
   27. JJ1986 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4315591)
Now the Astros can hire Rick Sutcliffe.
   28. esseff Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4315600)
The 1st Sam Jones was Sad Sam. The 2nd one was Toothpick Sam. Toothpick Sam Jones also surprised me by being black - this was a surprise when I learned it AFTER seeing his picture numerous times.


All true, but in my yout', some people, including my dad, also called the second one Sad Sam Jones.

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