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Tuesday, December 04, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-4-2018

Washington Herald, December 4, 1918:

Harry Frazee, owner of the Boston Red Sox, is reported to have enlisted the aid of George Cohan and Sam H. Harris in an effort to gain control of the Giants.
Sam Harris was quoted today as having admitted that Frazee had discussed the matter with Cohan and himself, but that the uncertainty of the theatrical business had prevented them from taking the matter up seriously.
Relations between Frazee and Ban Johnson are reported to be strained to such a degree that Frazee has determined to dispose of the Boston club. Former Gov. Walsh, of Massachusetts, is reported to have made a bid that Frazee considers very favorably.

Frazee did sell the franchise, but he kept the Red Sox. This worked out poorly for everyone outside the Bronx.

Frazee’s reported Giants co-owner was indeed that George Cohan. “It’s a Grand Old Flag”, “Over There”, “The Yankee Doodle Boy”, “Give My Regards to Broadway” George Cohan.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 04, 2018 at 10:11 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 04, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5793700)
Not a great Birthday Team today, but it's light years ahead of yesterday's roster.

C: Billy Bryan (-0.3 WAR)
1B: Ray Sanders (10.9 WAR)
2B: Tadahito Iguchi (6.4 WAR)
3B/Manager: Harvey Kuenn (26.0 WAR)
SS: Early 20th Century John Farrell (8.1 WAR)
LF: Jesse Burkett (59.7 WAR)
CF: Carlos Gomez (25.3 WAR)
RF: Shano Collins (11.0 WAR)

SP: Bob Shawkey (47.0 WAR)
SP: Blake Snell (9.4 WAR)
SP: Gustavo Chacin (4.1 WAR)
SP: Jerome Williams (3.5 WAR)
SP: Joe Corbett (3.3 WAR)
RP: Lee Smith (29.0 WAR)

Fun names: Biff Schlitzer, Scoops Carey, Allen Conkwright, Dolly Gray
Not that one: Matt Fox
Was never a teammate of Steve or Scot Shields: Ed Yarnall
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 04, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5793703)
3B/Manager: Harvey Kuenn (26.0 WAR)

   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 04, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5793810)
No one decent today that I'm not at least familiar with :-(

Shano Collins was on the Black Sox. So, we have that.
   4. crict Posted: December 04, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5793816)
Gustavo Chacin had a 1188 OPS+ in 2010 (that's a homerun in his only AB).
   5. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 04, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5793909)
patrick corbin reportedly to dc. 6 years.
   6. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 04, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5793913)
rob chirinos likely to sign with houston
   7. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 04, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5793917)
Joe Corbett was Gentleman Jim Corbett's little brother. He's one of the few guys who could threaten to have his big brother beat someone up and be 100% confident in the result.
   8. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 04, 2018 at 07:12 PM (#5793994)
Ari signs Merrill Kelly to a 2 year deal worth 5.5m with some options. He’s a righty that never made the bigs but pitched well in Korea the last few years and was expected to get a big league deal this offseason. 4th or 5th starter type. Stats don’t blow you away but the KBO is a high offense setting.
   9. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 04, 2018 at 07:40 PM (#5794003)
Here are his stats.
League ERA was 5.20, so he’s better than that looks. On the one hand, the names around and above him on the leaderboards are largely has-beens and never-weres but I’ve seen translations that peg him as a league average guy. He’s already 30 so if he pans out you’ve got him locked up until he’s 34 and if he doesn’t you’re only out a few mil. Seems like a decent move to me.
   10. bobm Posted: December 04, 2018 at 07:54 PM (#5794005)
From the SABR bio of Charles Stoneham:

As rumor that the New York Giants were for sale became public during the winter of 1918-1919, candy manufacturer George Loft and Broadway showman George M. Cohan were identified as the most likely buyers. Surprise therefore greeted club boss Harry Hempstead’s January announcement that a majority interest in the franchise had been sold to a syndicate headed by Charles A. Stoneham, a stranger to Giants fans who did not follow newspaper gossip or read the financial pages.

Joining the Stoneham syndicate as much-junior partners were Giants manager John McGraw and Manhattan magistrate Frank McQuade, both of whom shared Irish-Catholic ancestry, connection to the Tammany Hall political machine, and a love of baseball, horse racing, and Midtown night life with Charlie Stoneham. At the ensuing meeting of the Giants corporate board, Stoneham, holder of 1,166 syndicate shares, was appointed club president. McGraw and McQuade, holders of 70 shares each (purchased from Stoneham for $50,000), assumed the posts of vice president and treasurer, respectively.
   11. QLE Posted: December 04, 2018 at 08:20 PM (#5794012)
Two side-notes involving the competition for control of the Giants, of interest to me at least:

1) Sam H. Harris was a major figure on Broadway for most of the first forty years of the twentieth century, first as Cohan's partner, and then on his own after the partnership collapsed. I wonder how he would have managed that career had he bought the Giants- note that Frazee's activities as a Broadway producer declined after buying the Red Sox.

2) Had George Loft bought the team, it would have meant that both the Giants and the Yankees would have had former members of Congress as team owners at the same time.
   12. bobm Posted: December 04, 2018 at 09:58 PM (#5794036)
Loft Candy was later instrumental in the rescue and growth of Pepsi, having first intended only to buy cola syrup from Pepsi.

During the Great Depression, Pepsi gained popularity following the introduction in 1929 of a 10-ounce bottle. Initially priced at 10 cents, sales were slow, but when the price was slashed to five cents, sales increased substantially. With 12 ounces a bottle instead of the six ounces Coca-Cola sold, Pepsi turned the price difference to its advantage with a radio advertising campaign, featuring the jingle "Pepsi cola hits the spot / Twelve full ounces, that's a lot / Twice as much for a nickel, too / Pepsi-Cola is the drink for you," encouraging price-watching consumers to switch to Pepsi, while obliquely referring to the Coca-Cola standard of six ounces a bottle for the price of five cents (a nickel), instead of the 12 ounces Pepsi sold at the same price. Coming at a time of economic crisis, the campaign succeeded in boosting Pepsi's status. In 1936 alone 500,000,000 bottles of Pepsi were consumed. From 1936 to 1938, Pepsi Cola's profits doubled.

Pepsi's success under [Charles] Guth [, president and general manager] came while the Loft Candy business was faltering. Since he had initially used Loft's finances and facilities to establish the new Pepsi success, the near-bankrupt Loft Company sued Guth for possession of the Pepsi Cola company. A long legal battle, Guth v. Loft, then ensued, with the case reaching the Delaware Supreme Court and ultimately ending in a loss for Guth. Loft now owned Pepsi, and the two companies did a merger, then immediately spun off the Loft company.


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